Bears01 Posted September 28, 2023 Posted September 28, 2023 31 minutes ago, TeemoR said: Renaissance hasn't outsold Chromatica? These are pretty bad numbers! Considering Renaissance is on the verge of surpassing Chromaticas total streams on Spotify and absolutely crushed it on Apple Music, I’m willing to bet it already has
Xtina23 Posted September 28, 2023 Posted September 28, 2023 19 hours ago, AllAmericanBitch said: her success is smoke & mirrors and media hype 1 1 1 5
Ari29 Posted September 28, 2023 Posted September 28, 2023 This thread reminded me she’s the biggest, most impactful female artist since Madonna. That’s all 4 1 1 2
Kristie Kuwa Posted September 28, 2023 Posted September 28, 2023 Not Chromatica comparisons again. Gaga stans, for once and for all: When Gaga debuted, Bey already had Say My Name becoming one of the biggest RNB Songs ever, Independent Woman Pt1 charting for 6+ weeks at #1, Survivor, Bootilicious, Crazy in Love and Baby Boy spending over 17 weeks at #1 in 2003, Deja Vu, Irreplaceable spending over 6+ weeks at #1 and becoming one of the biggest songs on radio, she already won 5 Grammys in 1 night, and she was about to unleash Halo, IIWAB and Single Ladies to the world. Do you get that? You are just complimenting Bey for constantly regarding her as a peer of Gaga. Its cute and we enjoy it. And even if we consider them peers, Bey is still outtouring and outcharting Gaga, so your point is? Lol, stay out of Beys business. You don't do yourself any favors. 3 1
Axelios Posted September 28, 2023 Author Posted September 28, 2023 (edited) Beyonce solo career started in 2003. Rihanna and Taylor Swift can be considered her female peers as a solo artist. Edited September 28, 2023 by Axelios 5
Jaay Posted September 28, 2023 Posted September 28, 2023 Everyone in here arguing about daily streams meanwhile these woman are all multi millionaires, if not almost billionaires lol If you’re reading this and you’re fighting over streams THIS IS your sign to get some help. Truly. It’s time. 1
Mystic Boy Posted September 28, 2023 Posted September 28, 2023 9 minutes ago, Axelios said: Beyonce solo career started in 2003. Rihanna and Taylor Swift can be considered her female peers as a solo artist. sOLo cArEeR Beyoncé career started in 1997 and everyone knows it You're just mad the thread completely backfired after realizing these numbers were great for someone with a 26 yo career
Ari29 Posted September 28, 2023 Posted September 28, 2023 13 minutes ago, Axelios said: Beyonce solo career started in 2003. Rihanna and Taylor Swift can be considered her female peers as a solo artist. How does this make sense to you people? Rihanna in 2005: “I’ve looked up to Beyonce for a long time” and “She’s my biggest idol” Those aren’t things said peer to peer 5 1
Axelios Posted September 28, 2023 Author Posted September 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, Ari29 said: How does this make sense to you people? Rihanna in 2005: “I’ve looked up to Beyonce for a long time” and “She’s my biggest idol” Those aren’t things said peer to peer She was looking up to Beyonce the person not Beyonce the solo artist. 1 3
Draper. Posted September 28, 2023 Posted September 28, 2023 38 minutes ago, Axelios said: Beyonce solo career started in 2003. Rihanna and Taylor Swift can be considered her female peers as a solo artist. This is not true. Beyoncé has collabs as a solo artist from 1999, she has a top 5 song from 2002. She was in two movies before 2003. Her first smash era was in 2003, but not her debut as a solo artist. And Taylor and Rihanna didn’t really breakthrough with their debuts, even their fans call those albums mixtapes. So no, Taylor and Rihanna are not Beyoncé’s peers. 1
Axelios Posted September 28, 2023 Author Posted September 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Draper. said: And Taylor and Rihanna didn’t really breakthrough with their debuts, even their fans call those albums mixtapes. No Beyonce album sold more than Taylor Swift Debut in the US I guess Beyonce never broke through in that market 1
Draper. Posted September 28, 2023 Posted September 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, Axelios said: No Beyonce album sold more than Taylor Swift Debut in the US I guess Beyonce never broke through in that market We went from local to global but unknown in the US. Nobody can’t catch up with these narratives haters make.
redsbae Posted September 28, 2023 Posted September 28, 2023 22 hours ago, FOCK said: She’s busy selling out world tours. There is absolutely nothing you can do or say to convince anyone that Beyoncé is somehow irrelevant or a “flop”. She’s transcended these measures. History will not be referencing streaming numbers & chart placements. It’ll be influence, impact, talent, performance & extended cultural relevance. All of this
WildHeart Posted September 28, 2023 Posted September 28, 2023 (edited) 15 hours ago, AxelFox said: 1.She markets herself as such because she can back it up with outstanding albums and stellar performances. Same marketing would not work for your fave taylor swift, because her works is not daring enough in concept and execution and the performing skills are inexistent. Nobody would buy a queen b/goddess image from her because simply does not hve what it takes for it. Therefor she is being marketed as the awkward, stiff and relatable girl next door because that's what she can offer and it works. Considering that Taylor is adored by both media and GP while Beyonce's marketing only results with media praise but fails to win GP, i would not say that Beyonce's marketing is actually working. GP is not buying that goddess image anymore hence why the likes of MJ (who has been dead for 15 years) and Rihanna (who has not released any album in the last 7 years) outsold her this year. Damn, even Katy Perry has more monthly listeners Edited September 28, 2023 by Artistofthedecade 1
redsbae Posted September 28, 2023 Posted September 28, 2023 23 hours ago, AllAmericanBitch said: her success is smoke & mirrors and media hype Explains the 500+ million tour she’s on
redsbae Posted September 28, 2023 Posted September 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said: Considering that Taylor is adored by both media and GP while Beyonce's marketing only results with media praise but fails to win GP, i would say Beyonce's marketing is failing harder. GP is not buying that goddess image anymore hence why the likes of MJ (who has been dead for 15 years) and Rihanna (who has not released any album in the last 7 years) outsold her this year. Damn, even Katy Perry has more monthly listeners than her I guarantee you, your fav ADMIRES and respects Beyoncé. You should get in formation.
AxelFox Posted September 28, 2023 Posted September 28, 2023 10 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said: Considering that Taylor is adored by both media and GP while Beyonce's marketing only results with media praise but fails to win GP, i would not say that Beyonce's marketing is actually working. GP is not buying that goddess image anymore hence why the likes of MJ (who has been dead for 15 years) and Rihanna (who has not released any album in the last 7 years) outsold her this year. Damn, even Katy Perry has more monthly listeners than her This entire premise is beyond stupid in 2023 at this point in Beyonce's career. Your argument is like 20 years late Why would Beyonce still be concerned with 'winning the GP'? What benefit would that bring her and why do YOU think that matters for her? The woman has been in the game for over 25 years, has seen the heights of success both as the front-person of the biggest girl group in history with Destiny's Child and as a solo artist being crowed the biggest female artist of the 00s decade by Billboard, culminating more then a decade of utmost commercial success and 'GP winning'. Even after that she has remained at the fore front of popular culture for the last decade or so as one of the most revered figures in entertianment, and even if her projects have not seen the commercial heights of her 00s works, she is still doing better than the vast majority of artists out there. The fact that after all this time she is still able to go on record breaking tours and have the most expensive tickets on the market means her reputation as an entertainer remains umatched, so the 'goddess image' marketing is very much working and people are 'buying' those expensive concert tickets. Beyonce has more than proved herself througout her incredibly long career and her worth as an artist and status in pop culture history are not dependent of 'winning the GP' or an arbitrary amount of streams in 2023. 2 4
Bobyonce Posted September 28, 2023 Posted September 28, 2023 2 hours ago, Axelios said: She was looking up to Beyonce the person not Beyonce the solo artist. Dummy 2
Great808 Posted September 28, 2023 Posted September 28, 2023 They already told y’all her albums always suffer from being frontloaded and serving the opposite of longevity so no surprise here. And the fact that stans thought she deserved AOTY over Harry
WildHeart Posted September 28, 2023 Posted September 28, 2023 (edited) 47 minutes ago, AxelFox said: This entire premise is beyond stupid in 2023 at this point in Beyonce's career. Your argument is like 20 years late Why would Beyonce still be concerned with 'winning the GP'? What benefit would that bring her and why do YOU think that matters for her? The woman has been in the game for over 25 years, has seen the heights of success both as the front-person of the biggest girl group in history with Destiny's Child and as a solo artist being crowed the biggest female artist of the 00s decade by Billboard, culminating more then a decade of utmost commercial success and 'GP winning'. Even after that she has remained at the fore front of popular culture for the last decade or so as one of the most revered figures in entertianment, and even if her projects have not seen the commercial heights of her 00s works, she is still doing better than the vast majority of artists out there. Hive's denial of how important remembered catalogues that transcends generations will always be one of the funniest coping mechanisms for me... But i am not sure if it is funnier than the coping mechanism of Hive when it comes to Bey's lack of promo and how unbothered she is despite hundreds of millions playlist reach, song after song on TTH, countless remixes, radio push for multiple songs and promoted Tiktok trends. All for... arbitrary streams. Prime example of actions' inconsistency with words. Timeless catalogues that reach multiple generations matter and as much as you deny it, your bragging about her longevity at the same time actually tells the real story. 47 minutes ago, AxelFox said: The fact that after all this time she is still able to go on record breaking tours and have the most expensive tickets on the market means her reputation as an entertainer remains umatched, so the 'goddess image' marketing is very much working and people are 'buying' those expensive concert tickets. Do ticket sales indicate entertaining abilities of artists now? Because I've been told the opposite many times... Edited September 28, 2023 by Artistofthedecade 1
BnPac Posted September 28, 2023 Posted September 28, 2023 13 pages on her album having good streams. I love that for her. Keep going Bey. 2
AxelFox Posted September 28, 2023 Posted September 28, 2023 17 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said: Hive's denial of how important remembered catalogues that transcends generations will always be one of the funniest coping mechanisms for me... But i am not sure if it is funnier than the coping mechanism of Hive when it comes to Bey's lack of promo and how unbothered she is despite hundreds of millions playlist reach, song after song on TTH, countless remixes, radio push for multiple songs and promoted Tiktok trends. All for... arbitrary streams. Prime example of actions' inconsistency with words. Timeless catalogues that reach multiple generations matter and as much as you deny it, your bragging about her longevity at the same time actually tells the real story. You really are that dumb that you cannot see the inconsistencies in the nonsense you're spewing, aren't you? Nobody claimed a timeless and remembered catalogue is not important. But what is the detriment that you are using to claim Beyoncé's catalog isn't timeless and remembered? The fact that her streams are not on par with acts that debuted 15 years AFTER her? How idiotic of an analogy is that You and the other snots in this thread have already been shown that her numbers are among the best from her contemporaries that debuted and released music around the same time period and era she has. THAT is proof of how well her material has stood the taste of time. You wanna go on about cross-generational comparisons and Michael Jackson? Beyoncé has more daily streams than Michael and that's even excluding Renaissance streams. That means her catalogue is more timeless right? Where do we go from here? 34 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said: Do ticket sales indicate entertaining abilities of artists now? Because I've been told the opposite many times... No, they indicate that her marketing actually works despite you claiming it does not. what indicate the entertaining abilities is the TYPE of marketing she uses, and that is of a queen/goddess. And she can use it because she is indeed the BEST at what she does. Same type of marketing would not works for others who can't back it up unfortunately. 1 2
Badgalbriel Posted September 28, 2023 Posted September 28, 2023 2 hours ago, Draper. said: This is not true. Beyoncé has collabs as a solo artist from 1999, she has a top 5 song from 2002. She was in two movies before 2003. Her first smash era was in 2003, but not her debut as a solo artist. And Taylor and Rihanna didn’t really breakthrough with their debuts, even their fans call those albums mixtapes. So no, Taylor and Rihanna are not Beyoncé’s peers. Taylor definitely broke through with her debut. It's bigger than any Beyoncé album sans IAMSF
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