base talk Renaissance only 3 million daily streams, what happened??

[Blue Rose]

8 minutes ago, on the line said:

Is this necessary? It's a thread discussing the underperformance of Renaissance, and I've responded to the ad nauseam excuses centered on how long she's been in the music industry and why that's not relevant when she's one of the most discussed and revered celebrities today. I just find it odd how ya'll have latched onto that mantra. Shrug.

Beyoncé’s longevity is not something you guys will be able to erase to fit your needs. Her longevity is legendary and makes everything she accomplishes even more impressive. And that’s why you’ve been fuming non stop  

A year ago, all of you thought she would be doing 500K by now, but now you’re moving this imaginary goal post you have for her. 
At least be good at hating. Make it fun for us. This is just pathetic  

[AxelFox]

4 minutes ago, on the line said:

Is this necessary? It's a thread discussing the underperformance of Renaissance, and I've responded to the ad nauseam excuses centered on how long she's been in the music industry and why that's not relevant when she's one of the most discussed and revered celebrities today. I just find it odd how ya'll have latched onto that mantra. Shrug.

It is very necessary to call this circus for what it. Because what else are you trying to achieve by discussing 'Renaissance's underperformance' other than diminishing its reverence and acclaim by equating it's worth & quality to how much she's supposed to sell/be streamed in your head. 
 

She's not more discussed than any other big name today, but she is more revered, and that's a result of the outstanding quality of her work and performance. This is where it stings, isn't it? That unlike others she gets all this for how good she is, not for how big she's become  

[Blue Rose]

6 minutes ago, JawBreaker said:

Yeah its really shocking that shes not even among the top 30 best selling artist this year in the US. Even Michael Jackson sold more units than her this year.

Beyonce catalog seems to have poor longevity. If its doing this poorly now imagine in 50 years. 

Eminem is a prime example of an artist with a strong remembered catalog where you can already tell that 50 100 200 years from now he will still be among the top 20 artist every single year. 

shouldve saved this post for 2073 because this is all just a bunch of false conjectures. Talking about 200 years from now

[swissman]

3 minutes ago, on the line said:

1. I love that you're so invested you took the time to bold those words.

2. You're misinterpreting my ageist and misogynist comment. My point being by reiterating that over and over you're expressing how much you think age matters (whether pos or neg) as a defining characteristic for success. As far as misogyny goes, I never see these comments directed at male artists. Is it because you think males are more inclined to success over women regardless of how long they've been in their careers? 

3. I don't follow Eminem or really anyone in the pop music field outside of the MPGs that are currently active so I can't answer that question as I genuinely have no idea. 

4. Beyonce is successful today largely because of her banding and marketing as an exclusive, cool, and luxury brand. 

5. You still gave goal posts in this response so that's why I am (again) replying to that.

 

1. I love that you're so invested you took the time to make a numbered list. I took time to bold words (literally seconds) because you weren't getting it. The goalposts I used came from your own comments on ageism and misogyny. Not sure why a goalpost that is essentially "women of a certain age" is a problem.

 

2. I don't think you have a point. Calling out discrimination in age is not enacting it. No matter how you spin it. As for your comment about misogyny and not seeing these comments directed at males...gee, I wonder why? Could it be...misogyny? It's factually proven that male artists generally have more album success than women. There's an entire thread outlining the albums that spent the most weeks on the Hot 100, and if you look into it, about 90% of the top albums are by men.

 

3. You don't...follow...older artists...but argue that ageism can't be a reason that an artist of a certain age might not get as many streams as younger ones/ones with younger fans?

 

4. Agree.

 

5. Not sure what goalposts I've ever mentioned outside of race that wasn't already baked into the comment I originally responded to by you.

[on the line]

3 minutes ago, AxelFox said:

It is very necessary to call this circus for what it. Because what else are you trying to achieve by discussing 'Renaissance's underperformance' other than diminishing its reverence and acclaim by equating it's worth & quality to how much she's supposed to sell/be streamed in your head. 
 

She's not more discussed than any other big name today, but she is more revered, and that's a result of the outstanding quality of her work and performance. This is where it stings, isn't it? That unlike others she gets all this for how good she is, not for how big she's become

1. That's marketing.

2. Her big debut and quick drops literally disprove this over and over.

[JawBreaker]

13 minutes ago, Blue Rose said:

shouldve saved this post for 2073 because this is all just a bunch of false conjectures. Talking about 200 years from now

When we're all dead and gone and buried my post will age well I can promise you that. If God doesnt come by then future ATRL gheys will be kiing over my post being absolutely right 

[grwntify]

this album is 1 year old now, and i guess she didn't have a lot of singles in this era, right? she's doing very well!

[AxelFox]

7 minutes ago, on the line said:

1. That's marketing.

2. Her big debut and quick drops literally disprove this over and over.

1.She markets herself as such because she can back it up with outstanding albums and stellar performances. Same marketing would not work for your fave taylor swift, because her works is not daring enough in concept and execution and the performing skills are inexistent. Nobody would buy a queen b/goddess image from her because simply does not hve what it takes for it. Therefor she is being marketed as the awkward, stiff and relatable girl next door because that's what she can offer and it works. 
 

Marketing is a means of promoting and playing on your strengths, not create imaginary strengths out of thin air. 
 

2. Again, I fail to see what this has to do with the praise and acclaim she received because she's genuinely great at what she does. Unless you equate said greatness to her opening week numbers? We're literally going around in circles over the fact that you are so bothered by how much 'discussed and revered' Beyoncé is compared to the arbitrary number of spotify streams she should have in your head.

 

Why are you even so preoccupied about the 'underperformance' of an artist whose music you are not into? There's like 2h worth of footage of your fave butt scratching, awkward bending, shrill singing and the occasional seizure attack coming your way next month, go discuss about that instead. 

[Blue Rose]

23 minutes ago, JawBreaker said:

When we're all dead and gone and buried my post will age well I can promise you that. If God doesnt come by then future ATRL gheys will be kiing over my post being absolutely right 

I want this for you  

[beyonceparkwood]

1 hour ago, on the line said:

Lol what though? 

 

Both AOTY nominees. Both numerous (paid or "sponsored") articles touting them as the AOTY winner. Both on the top world wide (stadium?) tours. Both on nearly every "Year End Best Of" lists, and I could go on and on and on. Renny should be doing WAY better w/ all the critical praise and "sold out" tour hype. USA Today is hiring/has hired a writer exclusively for Beyonce news. Just #facts (/icespice). 

 

The emphasis placed on how long ago she debuted is really misguided and frankly a bit misogynist and ageist that you feel you need to use it as an excuse as to why she may underperform. It's quite weird. The music just didn't connect with most people, and that's OKAY. Not sure why it's so hard for some to admit that.

Omg 😂 1) She isn’t underperforming, 2) Age doesn’t necessarily matter, I was referring to solo debuts because of Harry debuting in the streaming era, and Beyoncé waaaay before, and 3) Harry’s House had a way different rollout (for example, 2 vs 4 singles).

It’s just not fair to expect someone who debuted in the streaming era and has dropped 3 albums in given era to someone who debuted WAY before that and just had her first album have a proper streaming release.

[period sis]

LUV how Beyonce is the only 90s act to have their streams constantly compared with streaming-era acts... it's honestly a compliment at this point

 

-

 

Renaissance as an album has been over for months now. There is no current active single, no music videos, and no REAL promotion. There is NOTHING that is making an average listener want to go back and listen to it. Not even mentioning how she comes from an older generation where her audience normally doesn't stream.

I don't get why a tour has to automatically make an album streams consistently high, majority of people who attended RWT are casual listeners who are not spamming Renaissance or her albums on the daily. They go because they want to see a show. I don't see Pink's new album getting high streams despite having sold-out stadium shows every night... 

Yes, the tour kept it alive for a few months, but her failure to capitalize off the big viral moments it had is what made the album ultimately die. When HEATED was reaching new streaming peaks, it should've had its playlisting amped up and added to the radio - but it didn't. When AHAP was going viral on TikTok, any logical team would have done everything to make it bigger, then they released a remix with Kendrick Lamar, where it didn't even get an Urban Radio add. Every opportunity was wasted and ruined, so it doesn't take much to understand why the album isn't getting better streams. But still, comparing to Harry's album, with 5 singles; all with music videos and heavy airplay, live TV appearances, Radio interviews, accessible music, and MUCH more... makes no sense

 

That certain fanbase trying to diminish and erase Beyonce's 25+ year career for the sake of Spotify streams is laughable at this point

[Karla Cabello]

is that bad?

[Klein]

Being a Swiftie who loves Beyoncé, this thread is a rollercoaster 

 

How is 3M daily even close to being bad exactly? Some Swifties have really lost perspective since Midnights' release. 

Edited September 27, 2023 by Klein

[Bears01]

16 minutes ago, Klein said:

Being a Swiftie who loves Beyoncé, this thread is a rollercoaster 

 

How is 3M daily even close to being bad exactly? Some Swifties have really lost perspective since Midnights' release. 

It’s just trolls like @Axelios most of the Swifties are cool imo

[slw84]

12 hours ago, tellem said:

Can you name all the artists from her gen that are currently outstreaming with their latest projects? 

11 hours ago, Margaux said:

not with an ongoing tour and force tiktok payola. and she’s doing. this amount. 

It's not bad but it's far from great considering that they can't say she didn't have a radio hit...and she had an organic hit following the payola'd radio hit.

 

I mean despite people thinking House music was going to be a trend after this country and other sounds are bigger so it doesn't fit with the current time.

[Kingdom]

Some of the taylor fans are.....special. Yeah that the nice way i can put it. 

 

BEYONCE has a 25 plus year career, lets see where harry style will be 25 years into his career. If beyonce really gave a **** she would have given Renaissance 4 or IASF type promo. But you know why she is never doing that again? She has absolutely nothing to prove to anybody...especially to twinks on ATRL. Her tour has grossed almost 500 million dollars with less than 50 dates.

 

When she is not able to do that anymore....then you can make 6474788484 threads asking "what went wrong"

 

Also some of you need paying jobs....go outside, set a goal for the day and try to achieve it. That would be nice

[kimberly]

46 minutes ago, Klein said:

Being a Swiftie who loves Beyoncé, this thread is a rollercoaster 

 

How is 3M daily even close to being bad exactly? Some Swifties have really lost perspective since Midnights' release. 

based on posting history I'd say Axelios is more obsessed with Beyoncé than Taylor Swift.  a BeyHive member in the closet.

[Kuntmonster]

Wow the hive are insufferable. Renaissance flopped, get over it. Didn’t that random Sza girl even outsell her  

[swissman]

21 minutes ago, Kingdom said:

Some of the taylor fans are.....special. Yeah that the nice way i can put it. 

 

BEYONCE has a 25 plus year career, lets see where harry style will be 25 years into his career. If beyonce really gave a **** she would have given Renaissance 4 or IASF type promo. But you know why she is never doing that again? She has absolutely nothing to prove to anybody...especially to twinks on ATRL. Her tour has grossed almost 500 million dollars with less than 50 dates.

 

When she is not able to do that anymore....then you can make 6474788484 threads asking "what went wrong"

 

Also some of you need paying jobs....go outside, set a goal for the day and try to achieve it. That would be nice

This!

 

If she really cared, wouldn't she do SOMETHING? Like it has been said, she squandered potential singles when they were having their moments on TikTok.

 

 

Edited September 27, 2023 by swissman

[swissman]

13 hours ago, HardBambi said:

The album will die like Lemonade streaming wise because it doesn’t have big hits

Break my soul is a very forgettable number 1 and Cuff it was viral but I don’t think that translates into a classic

And both will be remembered as two of the greatest works released in their respective eras.

 

Realistically, who really talks about or even remembers albums like Blurryface or New English or the Trolls soundtrack or Memories...Do Not Open or Lukas Graham or My House or At Night, Alone or DNCE or When It's Dark Out or even Purpose and most of the albums with big hits in 2016 except when making a reference to those big hits themselves? I bet most people can't even name the songs that came from most of these titles, despite all having one that charted in the Top 20 Year-End Biggest Hits of 2016.

 

Lemonade and even RENAISSANCE have already inspired several projects by mainstream artists, and that's because her priority is now about quality, not quantity of sales or streams or whatever new metric stans will use to measure the worth of an artist.

 

 

Edited September 27, 2023 by swissman

[period sis]

29 minutes ago, Kuntmonster said:

Wow the hive are insufferable. Renaissance flopped, get over it. Didn’t that random Sza girl even outsell her  

She's outselling this girl too 

 

 

Lady Gaga

 

Hiding behind a Taylor pfp wont save you

[Kuntmonster]

17 minutes ago, period sis said:

She's outselling this girl too 

 

 

 

Lady Gaga

 

Hiding behind a Taylor pfp wont save you

Renaissance has not even outsold chromatica

 

I am “hiding behind a Taylor pfp” but still have lady gaga in bold in my signature? Who’s hiding? Make it make sense 

Edited September 27, 2023 by Kuntmonster

[Armani?]

11 minutes ago, Kuntmonster said:

Renaissance has not even outsold chromatica

 

 

Chromatica after 3 years in US - 1.3M

Renaissance after 1 Year & 2 Months in US - 1.9M

[Kuntmonster]

Just now, Armani? said:

Chromatica after 3 years in US - 1.3M

Renaissance after 1 Year & 2 Months in US - 1.9M

The fact that you had to single out the US just proves my point

[Armani?]

1 minute ago, Kuntmonster said:

The fact that you had to single out the US just proves my point

Singling out the biggest music market, how unordinary