base talk Doja cat has 70m listeners on spotify and set top debut with less than 60k, why?

[Rico Shameless v2]

In what world did you believe streaming numbers would equate to larger album sales? That’s not a norm and specially why we have SPS since, what 2014? Catch up. She’s a major popular artist who quite literally has never had major physical success.

 

#1 single and tour is selling well. She’s great!

[Blue Rose]

I saw that Morgan Wallen had 25M monthly listeners. Yeah throw this metric away

[Rotunda]

5 minutes ago, Rico Shameless v2 said:

In what world did you believe streaming numbers would equate to larger album sales? That’s not a norm and specially why we have SPS since, what 2014? Catch up. She’s a major popular artist who quite literally has never had major physical success.

 

#1 single and tour is selling well. She’s great!

The 60K is including streams tho .

 

Someone with the 9th most monthly listeners and an active #1 hit shouldn’t be struggling this much to get people to stream the album. 

Edited September 23, 2023 by Rotunda

[Erreur2 La Nature]

When are y’all going to realize that Spotify’s stats don’t mean ANYTHING irl ? 
 

[KiiKii_Muppisha]

[Armani?]

2 hours ago, Blue Rose said:

I saw that Morgan Wallen had 25M monthly listeners. Yeah throw this metric away

Well he's pretty local despite being massive in the US so

 

He's relevant in only US, Canada & Australia

 

London is his 30th Top City. No African, Asian or South American cities in his entire Top 84 cities

[Pheromosa]

because monthly listeners doesn't mean **** lol

[Rico Shameless v2]

2 hours ago, Rotunda said:

The 60K is including streams tho .

 

Someone with the 9th most monthly listeners and an active #1 hit shouldn’t be struggling this much to get people to stream the album. 

Who says she’s struggling? Based on what efforts? Compared to?

 

Scarlet isn’t built around pop melodies and hooks like the songs that help her have the 9th most amount of streams. There’s no Kiss Me More, Woman or Say So on this album that would make casual listeners return regularly. Wet ****** or 97 weren’t built to be 1 billion streamers.

 

60k with a rollout intended to disassociate is great. It would be a struggle if she was trying to repeat what she’s done before.

[Rotunda]

2 hours ago, Rico Shameless v2 said:

Who says she’s struggling? Based on what efforts? Compared to?

 

Scarlet isn’t built around pop melodies and hooks like the songs that help her have the 9th most amount of streams. There’s no Kiss Me More, Woman or Say So on this album that would make casual listeners return regularly. Wet ****** or 97 weren’t built to be 1 billion streamers.

 

60k with a rollout intended to disassociate is great. It would be a struggle if she was trying to repeat what she’s done before.

Ok boo you’ve got it, the label is ecstatic over 60K. 

Edited September 24, 2023 by Rotunda

[Communion]

16 minutes ago, Rotunda said:

Ok boo you’ve got it, the label is ecstatic over 60K. 

I mean, even as a pop observer, I'd love to actually know what's going on with her contract status at the moment and where this album sits in her deal, because she has the "x songs produced by L*ke" clause all the other Kemosabe girls have and yet she somehow got away with him not being on the new album. 

[favorite crime]

12 hours ago, istan4badgalriri said:

She literally has the #1 song on Spotify global right now plus a bunch hits in the streaming era, that's why she has that many listeners. Like where's the correlation between Spotify monthly listeners (worldwide) and U.S. first week sales debut ? 

 

12 hours ago, unclefloprry said:

Why are you comparing a global stat about playlisting on a streaming service with a local chart of one country?

we can compare her monthly listeners to her Spotify debut and ask the same questions

[istan4badgalriri]

11 minutes ago, favorite crime said:

 

we can compare her monthly listeners to her Spotify debut and ask the same questions

That's true, but again... she has the #1 song on Spotify right now and probably has the most hits of any female artist this decade thus far, her monthly listeners being that high is not surprising. Obviously there was no guarantee that they'd all listen to her new album the day it drops

[Axelios]

9 hours ago, Erreur2 La Nature said:

When are y’all going to realize that Spotify’s stats don’t mean ANYTHING irl ? 
 

Spotify streams account for the majority of music consumption in the world 

[krustysalt]

Autoplay 

[Starkboy]

I have no idea why stans make this "monthly listeners" that big of a deal. Once you are on TTH the number goes up. that doesn't translate in massive streams. 

[lonnie]

15 hours ago, bijonse said:

Rihanna of her generation, a lot of people are casually into her but don’t REALLY **** with her to stream a whole album and she does that to herself by telling her fans that she don’t really like them/they’re losers etc. so we don’t feel bad for her flopping 

Doja might not even outdo MOTS's first week sales if there's no change in the projection so no

And while Rihanna never had the big first week sales some of her peers did, she somehow always managed to get those figures up to the point of even outselling some of the girls that had higher first week numbers, which might be difficult for Doja to do. Rihanna literally sold tens of millions of albums PURE. I don't know how y'all keep with this narrative when she's sold on par some of the so-called albums artists.

[est. in 90s]

Spotify listeners doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things and is by far the least reliable metric. It just serves as vanity for stans to brag about, but it doesn't actually determine how truly in-demand an artist actually is, just how much playlisting they get.

[MaterialboyEST1985]

Goes to show that Spotify isn’t the end all, a lot of you think it is.

 

For 1 streaming can easily be manipulate, by the fans, artists and labels but w/e.

[Erreur2 La Nature]

6 hours ago, Axelios said:

Spotify streams account for the majority of music consumption in the world 

And it still does not mean anything. I don’t say that as a shade but artists that are popular on streaming are mainly used by very young people. For exemple most of my friends or people that I know are not active music listeners and don’t follow pop cultire like ATRLers and have never heard of Dua Lipa, Doja Cat, Olivia Rodriguez etc… they are completely unknown to them despite doing very good on streaming and having some hits in my country too.

 

Spotify is just one metric, that only shows who’s popular among a small minority of people (and the numbers can be easily manipulated as we all know it). 

[Axelios]

2 hours ago, Erreur2 La Nature said:

And it still does not mean anything. I don’t say that as a shade but artists that are popular on streaming are mainly used by very young people. For exemple most of my friends or people that I know are not active music listeners and don’t follow pop cultire like ATRLers and have never heard of Dua Lipa, Doja Cat, Olivia Rodriguez etc… they are completely unknown to them despite doing very good on streaming and having some hits in my country too.

 

Spotify is just one metric, that only shows who’s popular among a small minority of people (and the numbers can be easily manipulated as we all know it). 

No you're wrong. You and your friends are the ones that are compeletely out of touch with reality. Noone cares about artists that have low streams in 2023. 

[Erreur2 La Nature]

Just now, Axelios said:

No you're wrong. You and your friends are the ones that are compeletely out of touch with reality. Noone cares about artists that have low streams in 2023. 

"If people don't know the artists I am using then they're WRONG " - Axelios, September 24th, 2023.

[bijonse]

18 hours ago, Erreur2 La Nature said:

When are y’all going to realize that Spotify’s stats don’t mean ANYTHING irl ? 
 

This  all the spotify bots and such inflating the streams too

[bijonse]

6 hours ago, lonnie said:

Doja might not even outdo MOTS's first week sales if there's no change in the projection so no

And while Rihanna never had the big first week sales some of her peers did, she somehow always managed to get those figures up to the point of even outselling some of the girls that had higher first week numbers, which might be difficult for Doja to do. Rihanna literally sold tens of millions of albums PURE. I don't know how y'all keep with this narrative when she's sold on par some of the so-called albums artists.

Doja does the same thing. Her hit singles will prop up the overall album numbers in the end but the lack of a strong fanbase that will buy/stream first week means weak debuts

[KKW]

She barely has a fan base like every other single female rapper sans Nicki so this is not surprising. First week numbers tend to be pushed by stans

 

Doja thrives when the GP connects with her stuff and that’s why she usually serves longevity 

[lonnie]

29 minutes ago, bijonse said:

Doja does the same thing. Her hit singles will prop up the overall album numbers in the end but the lack of a strong fanbase that will buy/stream first week means weak debuts

I truly don't see how Doja's singles will prop this era, unless she has a miracle and some other hit singles it will end up being like Miley's album with one massive hit and underwhelming overall sales. Rihanna might not have had massive opening numbers, but she had longevity in the end. The assumption that just because Doja doesn't have massive first week sales like Rih and so they are similar in career trajectory is false. The only other female artists who don't have big first week numbers but still manage to pull in numbers the end are Ariana and Dua (and still not Rih's level, not just yet anyway). Doja might surprise but, given what I've heard of the album, I doubt it, so she really doesn't compare to Rih commercially like that for that comparison.