celeb news Angelica Ross interview with THR about Emma and her apology, Ryan and AHS.

[Maxxxine]

1 hour ago, Marry The Gods said:

Angelica lacks maturity and acts too quickly on impulse. 

Mind you she’s 44 

[brooklyndaddy]

4 hours ago, CaptainMusic said:

 

 

 

 

Angelica said that Emma said she was “referring to herself”

 

If Emma meant Angelica was the only one being mean then she would’ve said I was “referring to you”

 

Nice try though. 

Either way, it clearly was referring to the either the makeup (Emma looking younger) or the fact that Angelica provoked… neither of these two are transphobic things. The whole situation seems to be taken out of context regardless of who she was referring to.

[Bey'Knight]

1 hour ago, imabadkid said:

MTE and the people in here somehow turning this on her? typical ATRL, not surprised. I'm not saying she did everything 100% right but it's clear what type of game Ryan and the execs were playing but unlike the cast of Glee, people aren't afraid to speak up now.

A dark skin black trans woman vs a blonde white girl with a few viral gifs. We all know where the allegiance of yassssss queens of atrl lie. 

[Grown K]

She seems to trying to find reasons to be upset about tbh. That Emma comment doesn't seems transphobic to me...

[Bey'Knight]

2 hours ago, Brunette Ambition said:

She wasn’t. She said herself that one of the people she talked to on set said people had complaints before but that it falls under freedom of speech, so they can’t really do anything. 
 

Whenever I had a co workers that wore shirts like that I either ignored it or tried to start a communication to get to know each other and maybe even understand each other. Most of the times this clears up any unease, and you find common ground. 
What I would NOT have is done is locking myself in my trailer and stopping the work of everyone on set, including people that make way less than I do, to have my little Me!” Moment.  

Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequence. This excuse is BS. It was a place of work so some modicum of decorum should’ve been instilled if Ryan’s sets are as inclusive as he’d want us to believe. Besides it wasn’t a one-off thing with that dude. He had his conveyor belt of provocative shirts that he picked from and the powers-that-be had no power to put an end to it for the whole production? If he wore a shirt with the swatsika symbol or lynched images of Emmet Till. Is that under the remit of free speech too? They’re all freelance workers. Black women have lost jobs for being “difficult” so miss me with this excuse. 

[Darkgalord]

So everything was just a misunderstanding? 

[Walk_Away21]

4 hours ago, toy soldier. said:

Basically the director said 'ladies' plural, to make them stop, but since Emma was not doing anything bad she said to refer only to Angelica so say "lady" instead of "ladies"

Wait this makes sense. It's over for Angelica Not her trying to weaponize transphobia and it didn't happen like that at all... yikes.

[Gaia]

LMAO I knew she was being OVERTLY dramatic about the entire situation  

 

And sheep like @CaptainMusic don’t think was done solely for attention. I mean having an interview about Emma’s apology?!  

[barbiegrande]

1 hour ago, Hurem said:

 

This is what you think pushback is? "You’re going to cry about it? Waaah. John’s not getting his way." that's some high school mean girls bullshit, mama. There is a way to pushback, but this ain't it.

 

I swear poppers ruined some of your brain cells cause why the hell would someone condone this type of behavior?

Men in the industry talk like that all the time. Is it kind? Maybe not, but it’s business 

[Digitalism]

This b run at the opportunity of doing the interview 

[Walk_Away21]

Just now, Digitalism said:

This b run at the opportunity of doing the interview 

Apparently she's moving to Georgia and going into politics... her narcissism will fit in well with that world lol.

 

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They know how I showed up on set. They know that I was moving in my Buddha nature. My hairstylist would even say, “Angel, I can feel the peace radiating off of you.”

 

[barbiegrande]

23 minutes ago, Bey'Knight said:

Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequence. This excuse is BS. It was a place of work so some modicum of decorum should’ve been instilled if Ryan’s sets are as inclusive as he’d want us to believe. Besides it wasn’t a one-off thing with that dude. He had his conveyor belt of provocative shirts that he picked from and the powers-that-be had no power to put an end to it for the whole production? If he wore a shirt with the swatsika symbol or lynched images of Emmet Till. Is that under the remit of free speech too? They’re all freelance workers. Black women have lost jobs for being “difficult” so miss me with this excuse. 

That’s not what he was wearing though. What you described is wildly different than a slogan or words. 

[Katamari]

What T-shirts?

There was a crewmember who was operating my vehicle that I had to drive on camera, so he’s right outside my windshield and every day he was wearing a racist T-shirt.

Like?

One day it was, “BUILD THAT WALL.” The next day it was white praying hands in front of an American flag, and it said, “I DON’T KNEEL.” Those are the ones I remember. This guy had a collection. I started speaking up about it.

 

 

oh wow oh wow

[Hurem]

1 hour ago, liquiddiamonds said:

White cis people can get away with calling out directors right in front of everyone

Let's just make it clear that Emma didn't call out the director, she used her power to belittle him. She wasn't asked to do something unheard of, so a simple "I don't wanna do that. Call Ryan if you have problem with that" would be enough, but instead she chose to be nasty to a person for simply doing his job.

 

But according to ATRL gays, that's "girlbossing"

[liquiddiamonds]

1 minute ago, Hurem said:

Let's just make it clear that Emma didn't call out the director, she used her power to belittle him. She wasn't asked to do something unheard of, so a simple "I don't wanna do that. Call Ryan if you have problem with that" would be enough, but instead she chose to be nasty to a person for simply doing his job.

 

But according to ATRL gays, that's "girlbossing"

You’re right on the money. I cosign it 

[ShouldersSideways]

It's entirely possible Emma was saying "lady" as in she was the only one acting ladylike, but it was still really thoughtless to say. Add in the way she treated people on set and it's not hard to see why people believe she was intentionally transphobic.

[Communion]

7 hours ago, WERKER said:

Interesting. Read the whole quote. Seems like Angelica took what Emma said out of context. Emma was referring to Angelica being the only one who was being mean because unprovoked Angelica started shading her, which is why she said “don’t you mean lady?” 
 

She goes, “I was really just referring to myself.” I said, “Don’t. Don’t do it.” What happened is this: She had not allowed the makeup team to age her that much. We were supposed to be aged several years. So I knew from the makeup department about what was going on. So she comes to set and I’m like, “Oh, you look rested.” And she goes, “John [the director], Angelica’s being mean!” And he goes, “OK, ladies …” And she goes, “Don’t you mean … lady?”

I'm confused. Anyone who is semi-literate could grasp from Angelica's story that Emma tried throwing a shady comment back about her being classy and Angelica being mean, but that it is always inherently tone-deaf to make this kind of joke about a trans woman. 

 

It'd be similarly tone deaf to tell a trans woman she's "not ladylike" despite again having then the defense if "I don't literally mean she's not a lady!.

Edited September 23, 2023 by Communion

[Bimbo]

The absolute gaslighting here  y’all are really going to hell 

[Exzime.]

2 hours ago, Hurem said:

 

This is what you think pushback is? "You’re going to cry about it? Waaah. John’s not getting his way." that's some high school mean girls bullshit, mama. There is a way to pushback, but this ain't it.

 

I swear poppers ruined some of your brain cells cause why the hell would someone condone this type of behavior?

And rightfully so? Women have been told what to do for years, often with language worse than that, in modeling, acting, and even some of our favs have been called 'fat' for not fitting into their stage clothing. Kate Beckinsale and Amy Adams have even been verbally abused by directors. What is playing nice going to get you? Emma basically told him, 'You're not getting what you want. I'm the BOSS here, and you can't do anything.' A true power play!

You're defending men asking women to do ****....

for WHAT?

 

[GhostBox]

Looking for attention. Pathetic really 

[Hurem]

2 minutes ago, Exzime. said:

And rightfully so? Women have been told what to do for years, often with language worse than that, in modeling, acting, and even some of our favs have been called 'fat' for not fitting into their stage clothing. Kate Beckinsale and Amy Adams have even been verbally abused by directors. What is playing nice going to get you? Emma basically told him, 'You're not getting what you want. I'm the BOSS here, and you can't do anything.' A true power play!

You're defending men asking women to do ****....

for WHAT?

 

Are you acting dense on purpose? Let me break it down for you:

 

1) She is not a boss on set, the director is. She is paid to act.

2) The scene they were shooting took time in future, so it made absolute sense for wanting to age the actors present in the scene. 

3) Female actresses being treated badly in the past doesn't excuse acting like Chanel Oberlin on set. 

 

I am sad that you can't differentiate standing your ground and being toxic to other people just because you can.

 

[barbiegrande]

1 hour ago, Maxxxine said:

Mind you she’s 44 

MJ Rodríguez meanwhile is staying booked and busy AND not creating sob stories like Angela or Billie, two of the weaker Pose cast members 

[barbiegrande]

27 minutes ago, Communion said:

I'm confused. Anyone who is semi-literate could grasp from Angelica's story that Emma tried throwing a shady comment back about her being classy and Angelica being mean, but that it is always inherently tone-deaf to make this kind of joke about a trans woman. 

 

It'd be similarly tone deaf to tell a trans woman she's "not ladylike" despite again having then the defense if "I don't literally mean she's not a lady!.

Puh-lease. Everyone on Twitter must be illiterate then, because people took those words at face value and assumed Emma was outright misgendering her. 

[Tylerbv]

Emma was out of line and definitely is not a good person, but the PR smear campaign here is admittedly weird after getting a private apology.

[JustLikeHoney]

What gets me is the whole, "you are silencing me" part. Asking her to come to the exec producer and show runner before she goes to SM seems like a pretty reasonable request. IMO.