news US's first Muslim-majority city bans pride flag

[Witnessed ET]

51 minutes ago, Rotunda said:

I think we really need to decide how this forum is going to deal with threads on Muslim-Gay relations, because the bad faith arguments, insensitivities towards peoples’ lived experiences, and rejections of nuance aren’t doing anything to move the convo forward.

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[Witnessed ET]

Deflecting to Christianity and it’s past when the topic of discussion is of Islam and steering the conversation away from the Islamic countries’ oppression of lgbt is not necessary….but dismissing Islam as a religion as a whole when it comes to this thing and putting all the Muslims in one box is also wrong in so many ways. Especially when Islam is such a beautiful spiritual thing for so many people, it’s more than just a “text that enables bigots”. 
y’all need to learn to find a balance when talking about sensitive topics like this. 
 

I’m neither Muslim nor a Christian btw, just an objective view from a third party. 

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9 hours ago, lacy said:

It's severely depressing that we appear to be going backwards when it comes to LGBTQ+ acceptance and pride.

 

I fear it's becoming less safe for me to be who I am and that deeply scares me.

Exactly, like I'm going to be worrying for my future as a gay woman.

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11 minutes ago, Witnessed ET said:

Deflecting to Christianity and it’s past when the topic of discussion is of Islam and steering the conversation away from the Islamic countries’ oppression of lgbt is not necessary….but dismissing Islam as a religion as a whole when it comes to this thing and putting all the Muslims in one box is also wrong in so many ways. Especially when Islam is such a beautiful spiritual thing for so many people, it’s more than just a “text that enables bigots”. 
y’all need to learn to find a balance when talking about sensitive topics like this. 
 

I’m neither Muslim nor a Christian btw, just an objective view from a third party. 

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[karma police]

The fact that there is a user with member title "Furry King of ATRL" writing whole ******* paragraphs of whataboutism about people that would stone him to death the moment he announces his fetish really is something else

[karma police]

9 hours ago, Trent W said:

I really can’t believe the biggest enemy of the gays these days is the gays themselves defending this BS religion.

 

Like they want you dead, what’s not clicking?

Sis, it's extremely simple.
We know that Democrats are pumping far-right narratives to push Republicans, as a whole, into unelectable territory.
But trust me, Republicans are doing exactly the same and push ******ed alt-left narratives.
And you can easily see it in such a perfect liberal echo-chamber like ATRL.

[DougAF]

10 hours ago, Communion said:

But you're then highly invested in the ongoings of a small mining town in Michigan, USA? 

 

You can't extrapolate the power dynamics of where you live (and your valid feelings towards them) elsewhere and walk around promoting paranoia. 

 

There's a difference between being hateful and being concerned. If I was concerned about conservatives of any religion gaining power, I'd be happy to know that progressive Muslims hold more power in Michigan than conservative Muslims. Progressive Muslims winning against conservative Muslims sounds like great news. But you apparently don't think it's good news that the most powerful Muslim woman in Michigan is a pro-LGBT liberal based on your downvoting of said news?

 

How do you convince conservative Muslims to become progressive Muslims if you don't also like progressive Muslims?

Small mining town? What on earth? 
 

Do you normally just make **** up off the top of your head? It’s basically a district of Detroit. That’s like if I called Brooklyn, New York a lovely coastal fishing town. 

[suburbannature]

51 minutes ago, DougAF said:

Small mining town? What on earth? 
 

Do you normally just make **** up off the top of your head? It’s basically a district of Detroit. That’s like if I called Brooklyn, New York a lovely coastal fishing town. 

[suburbannature]

All organized religion is rooted in a desire to control, manipulate, or to justify one's own bigotry poor decisions.  

 

- someone who attended 15 years of Catholic school

[Communion]

7 minutes ago, DougAF said:

That’s like if I called Brooklyn, New York a lovely coastal fishing town. 

Population of Hamtramck: 28,000

Population of Brooklyn: 2,577,000

 

Size of Hamtramck: 2 sq miles

Size of Brooklyn: 97 sq miles

 

Hamtramck is small. It's an enclave. 

 

(I don't know why - and just now reading back realize - I wrote "mining" when I meant "automotive", and checking the WaPo article linked in the OP confirms I remembered correctly and even said to @wastedpotential that I thought it was an enclave hit by industrial changes. My apologies for that. I don't know how I didn't catch I wrote mining.  The implication though wasn't that Hamtramck is rural - it was to emphasize Hamtramck is *small*.

 

Small enclaves exist within suburban and urban areas. Something doesn't have to have farmland, cows and open fields to be small. There are townships in NJ, used as a reference for having a similar population size as MI, with 75k+ people. I say that as someone who grew up in a similarly sized suburb with the same amount of people as Hamtramck who'd never describe such as a 'city' and photos of Hamtramck feel like looking in a mirror with the same suburban sprawl, single-family homes, outlet malls and worn-in main street. 

 

Of course this isn't meant as a defense of the council being a bunch of ignorant bigots, but that the implications of progressives losing a council election decided in total by 2,000 votes is meaningfully different than if such actually occurred on the scale of losing an election decided by 200,000 votes. Small conservative pockets develop and exist in blue states all the time. Small *suburbs* ironically more often than others, from personal experience. I've just not seen a reasonable argument that such in Hamtramck somehow is so essentializing and the implications so wide-reaching that there needs to be some change to the proposed Democratic coalition at large.