news US's first Muslim-majority city bans pride flag

[Johnny Jacobs]

7 minutes ago, Navy4Life said:

I reported it for threatening to dox but I’m not expecting anything to happen. It is disgusting tho. 

Nothing will. I have repored that user before but i was shut down. Even publicly in the HQ yasterday. 

 

That's the pros of having connections with them

[Communion]

2 minutes ago, MingYouToo said:

You think those muslim  communities and boards that banned the flags have some random Jew or Christian inserted that decided to be conservative independent of his religion? **** no.

 

Islam is the driving force of their conservative, hence, hateful beliefs. Same applies to Christians before yall try it 

You're now trying to pivot. Of course conservative Muslims cite their belief in Islam as the root of their views. No one said otherwise. But again, Muslim and conservative are not synonyms. 

 

Conservative Catholics similarly genuinely believe their faith propels their views. But that doesn't then stop the existance of progressive Catholics. Joe Biden is an huge pro-choice advocate. Should I say I won't vote for Joe Biden because he is a Catholic and I find most Catholics to be right-wing? What's more productive - for my politics to be anti-Catholic or anti-conservative? Isn't it in my political interests to convince Catholics my progressive views are actually in sync with their faith, not to condemn their faith entirely?

 

You've yet to show how anyone in any way is enabling or defending conservatives who happen to be Muslim. You ignored the simple question of - how does it enable conservative Muslim to condemn their actions as a reality of conservatism instead of as an indictment of everyone who shares their faith? Why does a criticism of conservative Muslims have to include an attempt to essentialize all Muslims?

[Bears01]

Religious extremism from all angles is bad. 
 

There, summed up all that needed to be said!

[Mark!]

Those defenders should move to that cute little city in Michigan and enjoy the egging 

[Sugden]

vile disgusting religion as always

[wastedpotential]

Just now, Bears01 said:

Religious extremism from all angles is bad. 
 

There, summed up all that needed to be said!

Except I don't think it's fair to equate the religious extremism that is a minority and is intolerant with the religious extremism that is a majority and is extremely punitive

 

I don't think you can really claim that conservative extremist Christians in the west who (thus far) haven't managed to do anything but protest the gay marriage that is protected in their societies (and is supported by the vast majority of the population) are the exact same level of intolerable as conservative extremist Muslims who govern several countries that have active death-penalty punishments for sodomy 

 

Even when looking at conservative Christian societies in Africa, the vast majority are currently exploring a reduction of sodomy sentencing or legalization (excepting Uganda), while there are exactly zero conservative Muslim societies in the region doing the same thing 

 

Yes, both are bad and intolerable, but one is noticeably worse for the quality of life of millions of gay people than the other, and equating them just makes it easier for users in this thread to excuse the literal executions for homosexuality that happen all around the world.

[UnusualBoy]

Color me surprised.

[Nido]

Ok so...if we're talking about unity, compassion and making positive changes. What are the solutions and actions that progressive Muslim groups have taken and will take to supposedly override the ideology of their conservative counterparts? What are the goals? How long will that process even be? Hundred of years?

 

Might as well accept that others will continue to have strong reactions as long as the rise of violence and discriminations are still happening in the name of your religion, because those actions are backed by beliefs shared among the majority of people practicing your faith. The generalization happens for a reason.

 

[Bears01]

2 minutes ago, wastedpotential said:

Except I don't think it's fair to equate the religious extremism that is a minority and is intolerant with the religious extremism that is a majority and is extremely punitive

 

I don't think you can really claim that conservative extremist Christians in the west who (thus far) haven't managed to do anything but protest the gay marriage that is protected in their societies (and is supported by the vast majority of the population) are the exact same level of intolerable as conservative extremist Muslims who govern several countries that have active death-penalty punishments for sodomy 

 

Even when looking at conservative Christian societies in Africa, the vast majority are currently exploring a reduction of sodomy sentencing or legalization (excepting Uganda), while there are exactly zero conservative Muslim societies in the region doing the same thing 

 

Yes, both are bad and intolerable, but one is noticeably worse for the quality of life of millions of gay people than the other, and equating them just makes it easier for users in this thread to excuse the literal executions for homosexuality that happen all around the world.

Dawg, Christian extremists are why woman are being forced to carry dead fetuses in the womb in multiple U.S. States, let’s not 

[ToMmY]

Shitty hateful religion has shitty hateful fans. Color me shocked.

 

 

And before you call me something: I hate all religions, so at least call me the right word.

[Zaram]

26 minutes ago, Communion said:

That one user literally trying to use "shut up, Westerner!" to dismiss that rampant reality of hate crimes against queer people by Christians in the US. 

Meanwhile you are the one constantly dismissing hate crimes against queer people by Muslims in the world.

 

 

[wastedpotential]

4 minutes ago, Bears01 said:

Dawg, Christian extremists are why woman are being forced to carry dead fetuses in the womb in multiple U.S. States, let’s not 

If we want to get into abortion, then yeah I think we're in agreement about equality of shittiness between the two (though I could play devil's advocate and argue that since Muslim extremists are also incredibly restrictive of abortion and are ALSO incredibly homophobic, they are still less socially tolerable overall). However, my main concern in this thread are the users who are claiming that conservative Islam is just as bad as conservative Christianity regarding homophobia, which is inarguably untrue. Once the scope is broadened, then my nuance is irrelevant because both suck 

Edited September 19, 2023 by wastedpotential

[Riverbank]

I just can't @ the IRONY of privileged first world gays lecturing people living in Muslim countries about how they should feel about the same religion that's oppressing them in every way possible Really tells you everything you need to know.

[Johnny Jacobs]

That brusketta user really likes that downvote huh? 

 

[BOOMBAYAH]

 

 

[mystery]

The big issue I see rising is that the LGBT community will be forced to fight on two fronts with extreme conservatives. I don't see a difference between conservative Christians and Muslims, two sides of the same coin. The worst thing is that their talking points are one and the same, what happens when they decide to agree on just one thing.

[Komet]

2 hours ago, Komet blu said:

Are we queer people more or less safe in a islam-majority countries compared to countries with another religion-majority? Quickly

Once again repeating the question since we didn't get an answer and some are still using whataboutism by bringing up other religions as a way to deflect from the thread's subject

 

[Flanders]

That is disgusting. Could see the same thing happening in ultra conservative Christian towns though. This needs to be dealt with on a state or federal level, religion has no place in governing. 

[Communion]

37 minutes ago, Jynx said:

Yes proving a point with a picture of the liberal muslim with a drag queen! Which has everything to do with the issue of a muslim majority city banning pride flags!

Why do you think the same Muslim-majority town that saw its council ban pride flags on government property also vote for then a drag queen loving liberal woman?

 

I think the answer lies in a council election that saw just 2k votes not being a good sample size. 

 

You clearly disagree but haven't offered any counter theory for this contradiction. I'm simply asking you to give your theory. 

Edited September 19, 2023 by Communion

[Graves]

Maybe I'm naive, but this feels like more of an issue with the return of extreme conservatism in the US, rather than a Muslim-specific issue? I reiterate, just speaking in a US context here. I mean, school boards and city councils all over the country have been banning Pride flags for the past two years, but those have all been Christian majority panels. People here seem to be able to separate good, progressive Christians from the horrid, ultra-conservative types just fine, so I feel like we can surely look at the Muslim groups in the same way? Going off of surveys and polls, I was of the belief that US Muslims were growing increasingly liberal, actually? Could this small town not just be an outlier?

[byzantium]

13 minutes ago, wastedpotential said:

If we want to get into abortion, then yeah I think we're in agreement about equality of shittiness between the two (though I could play devil's advocate and argue that since Muslim extremists are also incredibly restrictive of abortion and are ALSO incredibly homophobic, they are still less socially tolerable overall). However, my main concern in this thread are the users who are claiming that conservative Islam is just as bad as conservative Christianity regarding homophobia, which is inarguably untrue. Once the scope is broadened, then my nuance is irrelevant because both suck 

How much is it worth arguing whether Uganda is better or worse than Saudi Arabia for the gays?  Christian conservatives have been banning pride flags in the US for years.  I’m a little confused on what the utility of the X religion vs y religion conversation is.  Quite honestly, both of them are probably last compared to the other world religions.  

Edited September 19, 2023 by byzantium

[Nido]

I really wanna know what ideas and changes that progressive Muslims think should happen in order to fight against Islamophobia. I mean, you can't just tell everyone to be nice and respect a religion that's still represented by people carrying outdated values and cosigning violence + discriminations.

 

Should we applaud Saudi Arabia for only allowing their women to drive cars just years ago?

 

Edited September 19, 2023 by Nido

[Communion]

15 minutes ago, Nido said:

Ok so...if we're talking about unity, compassion and making positive changes. What are the solutions and actions that progressive Muslim groups have taken and will take to supposedly override the ideology of their conservative counterparts? What are the goals? How long will that process even be? Hundred of years?

 

To her credit, Rashida condemned the decision.

[BOOMBAYAH]

1 hour ago, Blue Rose said:

They are not the same because Christians have done much much much worse and they continue to do so, but yall have selective memory 

Christians have indeed committed atrocities in the past, but it's not as if there is a significant chasm between Christian and Islamic transgressions. Consider, for instance, the Arab slave trade, which enslaved far more people and persisted much longer than the Atlantic slave trade. Additionally, when we examine the current conditions in the most advanced and prosperous Islamic nations, we still find archaic laws in place, particularly concerning women and LGBTQ+ folk. Culturally, one religion is consistently pardoned, time and time again, for propagating homophobia, sexism, and misogyny, while the other is essentially fair game when it comes to blasphemy (which I'm cool with, but I just want you to see the social imbalance here).  We need to be rid of these religions at their most conservative and literal sense; Christianity has made significant strides in this regard; most Christians in America, the UK, and in a lot of parts of Europe are progressive or, at the very least, content with keeping their conservative values within their own circles. In contrast, Islam and many Muslims fail in adopting progressive values and distancing themselves from the violent aspects of their faith because one of the fundamental tenets of Islam is strict adherence to its teachings. Because of how that religion is set up, It is inherently more challenging for the Islamic world and Muslims in general to reconcile the modern understanding of human rights with their ancient religion.

[Marry The Gods]

3 hours ago, bluceleste said:

Old white people vs homophobic muslim youth in Michigan

 

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I have a strong sense this is going to backfire on them and when they receive racial discrimination from white people I hope they dont come running back to us asking for support. 

Edited September 19, 2023 by Marry The Gods