base talk RS cofounder: Black artists not "in his zeitgeist"; Black/Woman artists inarticulate

[Afterglow]

On 9/15/2023 at 6:16 PM, sunbathinganimal said:

oh my god this is so much worse than i thought

 

[The7thStranger]

Suffer. His apology is nonsense. If you want to write a book about your favorite artists, absolutely nobody is going to stop you. But to present your opinion as a factual account of history, defend that position through blatantly racist and sexist rhetoric, and then pretend that's not what you did... I hope the book flops into oblivion and his awards continue to be stripped away from him. What a terrible human being who attempted to revise history to suit his own agenda.

Edited September 17, 2023 by The7thStranger

[Infernal Paradise]

The way some of these racist, misogynistic geriatric white men refuse to understand the simple fact that it is precisely the life stories, perspectives, voices, experiences of artists that are NOT straight white men (i.e. female, BIPOC and LGBTQ+) that have always enriched the fabric of music and helped in moving culture forward with their contributions.

 

And this fool really has the NERVE to say something so egregious when the namesake of the so-called "premier music journalism magazine" that he co-founded literally named themselves after a song released by Muddy Waters, an influential Black blues singer from 1950s and one of the pioneers of the blues genre.

 

[réveuse]

Boy...black people invented rock and roll

[Kern]

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 just for public relations sake, maybe I should have gone and found one Black and one woman artist to include here that didn’t measure up to that same historical standard, just to avert this kind of criticism. Which, I get it. I had a chance to do that. Maybe I’m old-fashioned and I don’t give a [expletive] or whatever.

 

[1989]

Actual nonsense, as is his “apology”.

 

What’s funny is some of those white men he interviewed (namely Dylan and Springsteen) have spoken at length about black artists and their importance to not only them as artists, but music as a whole. They would absolutely hate this ****. 

[Problematique]

Not surprised to learn that hes also gay. 

[ImsoLOUD]

Hmmm so Rolling Stone has confirmed racial bias? 

 

When I questioned the motivations behind this racially biased music publication months ago, for suddenly doing an in depth investigation on a black actor/alleged abuser, considering that they barely ever do such thorough research on their many alleged white abuser counterparts (i.e Russel Brand, Shia Labeouf, Jonah Hill etc) @Smarticle somehow twisted it into me "supporting an abuser" so he/she/they/it could get some likes from the white gays on here. Very interesting.

 

[Mitsouko]

This made my skin crawl

[Smarticle]

3 hours ago, ImsoLOUD said:

Hmmm so Rolling Stone has confirmed racial bias? 

 

When I questioned the motivations behind this racially biased music publication months ago, for suddenly doing an in depth investigation on a black actor/alleged abuser, considering that they barely ever do such thorough research on their many alleged white abuser counterparts (i.e Russel Brand, Shia Labeouf, Jonah Hill etc) @Smarticle somehow twisted it into me "supporting an abuser" so he/she/they/it could get some likes from the white gays on here. Very interesting.

 

I had to revisit that thread again

 

 

Cause you called it a "witch hunt" at first and deleted your comment when multiple alleged abuse victims came forward even before the time RS published its article

 

You can acknowledge the racial bias of a publication without trying to downplay the allegations into a witch hunt

 

The irony of your original comment saying you weren't "in the mood to get e-jumped" "why i need to break down my thoughts to any of you" "why are you tagging me" and when you went on a mass downvote tirade and now that this article is out you're tagging me and explaining your thoughts 3 months later 

 

[Zoe_]

Honestly, I'm happy that is his disgusting a** said it. Now we all know the biases these people have against Blacks and Women are not just conspiracies. They truly hate us.

[ImsoLOUD]

7 hours ago, Smarticle said:

I had to revisit that thread again

 

 

Cause you called it a "witch hunt" at first and deleted your comment when multiple alleged abuse victims came forward even before the time RS published its article

 

You can acknowledge the racial bias of a publication without trying to downplay the allegations into a witch hunt

 

The irony of your original comment saying you weren't "in the mood to get e-jumped" "why i need to break down my thoughts to any of you" "why are you tagging me" and when you went on a mass downvote tirade and now that this article is out you're tagging me and explaining your thoughts 3 months later 

 

So what??? I found it odd of musical publication Rolling Stones to suddenly be that invested in a(n) black actors high school classmates opinion of him, but not ABC news, BBC, TMZ, or even TheShadeRoom. I deleted my post because I realized somehow my comment was quickly being misinterpreted as support for JM versus me questioning Rolling Stones motivations specifically, within the first two minutes. Which never even crossed my mind as a possibility when I wrote it, but it was fine.  

 

Nevertheless I still haven't seen any investigations like that from Rolling Stones since then. Despite me just naming three white actors that could easily have their high school classmates investigated at this very moment. How did me pointing out a glaring inconsistency in Rolling Stones reporting, have anything to do with me downplaying allegations? Like how do you even gather all of that from 2 words? The truth is, you didn't. 

 

And even if you were that naïve, your lack of reading comprehension wouldn't be my problem, it would be yours. You could’ve just asked me where I was coming from if you really cared. You rushed in, only to completely detract from my actual point (which other users acknowledged) to make a joke out of an investigation that potentially had more motivations than solely justice itself.

 

The next time a black person calls out questionable inconsistencies in a well established racially biased publication, be it cryptic or direct, just stfu and eat your food. That is never the time for you to look for your moment, and start brandishing corny ass jokes and false concerns because you are looking for attention. Disgusting. 

Edited September 22, 2023 by ImsoLOUD

[Smarticle]

55 minutes ago, ImsoLOUD said:

So what??? I found it odd of musical publication Rolling Stones to suddenly be that invested in a(n) black actors high school classmates opinion of him, but not ABC news, BBC, TMZ, or even TheShadeRoom.I deleted my post because I realized somehow my comment was quickly being misinterpreted as support for JM versus me questioning Rolling Stones motivations specifically, within the first two minutes. Which never even crossed my mind as a possibility when I wrote it, but it was fine. 

And that's what people were replying / downvoting you for it definitely read that way

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 How did me pointing out a glaring inconsistency in Rolling Stones reporting,  have anything to do with me downplaying allegations? Like how do you even gather all of that from 2 words?

How did 2 words suddenly point out a glaring inconsistency in RS reporting then You called it a witch hunt like he couldn't be a bad person in the past, especially with multiple victims coming forward

 

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And even if you were that naïve, your lack of reading comprehension wouldn't be my problem, it would be yours. You rushed in, only to completely detract from my actual point (which other users acknowledged) to make a joke out of an investigation that potentially had more motivations than solely justice itself.

Your lack of explaining yourself was the problem and now you wanna explain yourself 3 months later and after you had time to do your mass downvoting instead of explaining yourself  even you said yourself your comment could've been misinterpreted - so it has nothing to do with reading comprehension.

 

Where was I joking about anything

 

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 The next time a black person calls out questionable inconsistencies in a well established racially biased publication, be it cryptic or direct, just stfu and eat your food. That is never the time for you to look for your moment, and start brandishing corny ass jokes and false concerns because you are looking for attention. Disgusting. 

where is this coming from... i was not looking for attention or making jokes.

[ImsoLOUD]

11 hours ago, Smarticle said:

And that's what people were replying / downvoting you for it definitely read that way

How did 2 words suddenly point out a glaring inconsistency in RS reporting then You called it a witch hunt like he couldn't be a bad person in the past, especially with multiple victims coming forward

 

Your lack of explaining yourself was the problem and now you wanna explain yourself 3 months later and after you had time to do your mass downvoting instead of explaining yourself  even you said yourself your comment could've been misinterpreted - so it has nothing to do with reading comprehension.

 

Where was I joking about anything

 

where is this coming from... i was not looking for attention or making jokes.

Once again, me calling it a witch hunt has nothing to do with him not being a bad person. If that’s how you and 2 other users chose to take it, that’s your business.

 

You didn't know what you were talking about and have too much pride to admit it. Which was always my point about you. My other point being that I would like to see every abuser receiving the same treatment from RS, if that is what they are going to start investing their time in. Not just the black ones.
 

Even if you had misinterpreted my comment, I had already clarified my post in that thread before you ran in to give your unwarranted 2 cents. So any further misunderstanding was your choice. 
 

And please don’t forget that you “mass downvoted” me as well. Even tried to snitch to the mods in HQ like a b!tch as if you were innocent. Meanwhile, I had never even said a word to you before you attacked me out of the blue for some likes   but go awf 

Edited September 22, 2023 by ImsoLOUD

[Smarticle]

5 hours ago, ImsoLOUD said:

Once again, me calling it a witch hunt has nothing to do with him not being a bad person. If that’s how you and 2 other users chose to take it, that’s your business.

I'm sure that's why you hid you comment then, even after you realized people could misinterpret it as supporting JM

 

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You didn't know what you were talking about and have too much pride to admit it. Which was always my point about you. My other point being that I would like to see every abuser receiving the same treatment from RS, if that is what they are going to start investing their time in. Not just the black ones.

 

Even if you had misinterpreted my comment, I had already clarified my post in that thread before you ran in to give your unwarranted 2 cents. So any further misunderstanding was your choice.

You said it was weird for them to do a piece on anyone - which is true, not that it had a racial element. Now that this new article has been released you're trying to reframe it under a racial argument - which is valid, but not what you originally said or even bothered explaining

 

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And please don’t forget that you “mass downvoted” me as well. Even tried to snitch to the mods in HQ like a b!tch as if you were innocent. Meanwhile, I had never even said a word to you before you attacked me out of the blue for some likes   but go awf 

I was returning the energy because you started running to downvote all my other posts because you didn't want to 'explain yourself' and of course I would "snitch" since you kept doing it IN HQ. That was for you to stop harrassing me.  

 

It was hella weird seeing you just downvote everyone else un the thread that you didn't agree with and I just commented on your explanation reads as a defense against JM 

[ImsoLOUD]

6 hours ago, Smarticle said:

I'm sure that's why you hid you comment then, even after you realized people could misinterpret it as supporting JM

 

You said it was weird for them to do a piece on anyone - which is true, not that it had a racial element. Now that this new article has been released you're trying to reframe it under a racial argument - which is valid, but not what you originally said or even bothered explaining

 

I was returning the energy because you started running to downvote all my other posts because you didn't want to 'explain yourself' and of course I would "snitch" since you kept doing it IN HQ. That was for you to stop harrassing me.  

 

It was hella weird seeing you just downvote everyone else un the thread that you didn't agree with and I just commented on your explanation reads as a defense against JM 

Your* comment and yes I deleted it because I then realized my post was going to be misinterpreted. 
 

You could’ve simply asked where I was coming from instead of assuming I was defending JM but hey that’s who you are. 😂 

 

I’m glad to know in the future you’ll be more sensitive to racial bias instead of making a mockery of it. We love to see it. 

[wulmite]

well he can choke 

[Gaia]

I’m all for not putting in token artists just to please the leftist crowd but… insinuating only white men did anything noteworthy is  

 

The interviewer really tried to help him see the flaws in his way of thinking and he clarified and it sounded worse

Edited September 22, 2023 by Gaia

[TiaTamera]

On 9/17/2023 at 12:35 PM, stupidjock said:

 

And what historical standard do the likes of Madonna, Mariah Carey, Celine Dione, Cher, heck even Taylor not live up to? I understand to these people whiteness is the “standard” but to deny the impact of artist like Beyoncé and Usher is crazy. I wonder if he would have said this if MJ and Prince were alive.

[Smarticle]

10 minutes ago, ImsoLOUD said:

Your* comment and yes I deleted it because I then realized my post was going to be misinterpreted. 
 

You could’ve simply asked where I was coming from instead of assuming I was defending JM but hey that’s who you are. 😂 

 

I’m glad to know in the future you’ll be more sensitive to racial bias instead of making a mockery of it. We love to see it. 

Well you didn't want to explain any further and instead, downvoted everyone's comments that you didn't like in that thread. You specifically targeted me for some reason when other people assumed the same, judging from the likes. It did not look any better optics-wise to anyone after deleting that comment, but that's how you wanted to come off .

 

I did not make a mockery of anything You wrote a weird comment and your explanation of it did not help your case. Your behaviour afterwards was even weirder.

[Wicked]

1 hour ago, TiaTamera said:

And what historical standard do the likes of Madonna, Mariah Carey, Celine Dione, Cher, heck even Taylor not live up to? I understand to these people whiteness is the “standard” but to deny the impact of artist like Beyoncé and Usher is crazy. I wonder if he would have said this if MJ and Prince were alive.

Well he didn't wanna put Michael on the cover of RS during Off The Wall cause he didn't think he was relevant, he laughed off covering artists like Duke Ellington because he thought lowly of Jazz music