base talk RS cofounder: Black artists not "in his zeitgeist"; Black/Woman artists inarticulate

[Pheromosa]

just call them the N word at point 

[Park Jinyoung]

Average Grammy Voter Behavior 

[Reverie]

LMAO I had to read the full thing to get properly mad

 

Stevie Marvin and Curtis some of the greatest geniuses of all time saying they didn't "articulate on that level", like first of all and second of all....

 

Him making those decisions from reading their interviews and not being able to imagine having an intimate one on one conversation like he could with the white boys and that obviously extending into the way he didn't respect their lyrics for not *capturing the zeitgeist!!!* that catered to his vision of rock and roll

 

The interviewer trying to get him to get it but... he already knows it, he just didn't and doesn't gaf  He should've never been allowed to decide who the MASTERS were but he had the platform and the nerve to and was allowed to so that's just how the books were written.

 

This also gets me thinking again how annoying it can be when people seem to only care about the words in music and this is all basically the legacy of that particular critical framing on music and its bullshit origins

 

Like we've always known this and with music journalism in general but just to see this verbalized outright

The people chosen in that book is exactly the zeitgeist they envisioned and wanted to curate for themselves, their readers, and their magazine's legacy. The legacy that continues today!

Edited September 15, 2023 by Reverie

[Talento]

Average rock fan  

[eleganceislearned]

46 minutes ago, Antikythera said:

That's why it is good that traditional media doesn't have the importance they used too. It was full of people who thought what they think was the most important, like the losers on pitchfork do today. 

One of the few good things about things today is that less and less people* care about traditional critics

 

(*by that I mean normal people, not acclaim obesed stans on here)

[Onyxmage]

Thats a weird way to say im a sexist, racist, uncultured misogynist that just got bored and decided to write a book based on my limited knowledge of music.

[Wicked]

18 minutes ago, Reverie said:

LMAO I had to read the full thing to get properly mad

 

Stevie Marvin and Curtis some of the greatest geniuses of all time saying they didn't "articulate on that level", like first of all and second of all....

 

Him making those decisions from reading their interviews and not being able to imagine having an intimate one on one conversation like he could with the white boys and that obviously extending into the way he didn't respect their lyrics for not *capturing the zeitgeist!!!* that catered to his vision of rock and roll

 

The interviewer trying to get him to get it but... he already knows it, he just didn't and doesn't gaf  He should've never been allowed to decide who the MASTERS were but he had the platform and the nerve to and was allowed to so that's just how the books were written.

 

This also gets me thinking again how annoying it can be when people seem to only care about the words in music and this is all basically the legacy of that particular critical framing on music and its bullshit origins

 

Like we've always known this and with music journalism in general but just to see this verbalized outright

The people chosen in that book is exactly the zeitgeist they envisioned and wanted to curate for themselves, their readers, and their magazine's legacy. The legacy that continues today!

This cultural ignorance also effects how people judge lyricism, if an artist writes their lyrics in their minority cultural dialect (since he mentioned Marvin, Stevie & Curtis, we'll say AAVE) because it's not standard American English they are deemed inarticulate + their lyrics not "deep", when "arguably" Whats Going On and other albums like There's a Riot Going On are lyrically more profound than anything Jagger was involved in, I say that as a RS (band) fan. Lol. 

[Onyxmage]

23 minutes ago, Reverie said:

LMAO I had to read the full thing to get properly mad

 

Stevie Marvin and Curtis some of the greatest geniuses of all time saying they didn't "articulate on that level", like first of all and second of all....

 

Him making those decisions from reading their interviews and not being able to imagine having an intimate one on one conversation like he could with the white boys and that obviously extending into the way he didn't respect their lyrics for not *capturing the zeitgeist!!!* that catered to his vision of rock and roll

 

The interviewer trying to get him to get it but... he already knows it, he just didn't and doesn't gaf  He should've never been allowed to decide who the MASTERS were but he had the platform and the nerve to and was allowed to so that's just how the books were written.

 

This also gets me thinking again how annoying it can be when people seem to only care about the words in music and this is all basically the legacy of that particular critical framing on music and its bullshit origins

 

Like we've always known this and with music journalism in general but just to see this verbalized outright

The people chosen in that book is exactly the zeitgeist they envisioned and wanted to curate for themselves, their readers, and their magazine's legacy. The legacy that continues today!

Its no different than when the head of the Grammy awards said (out loud) that women simply didnt make music that was worthy of being nominated. Then he was promptly fired. He said the quiet part loud.

[Reverie]

And people are saying why can't he just say he's racist and misogynist and spare us the paragraphs, but I feel the takeaway for me from this interview is that even tho he's all but admitting it himself, everything he said with all the context and personal reasonings demonstrates how he was able to legitimize those bigoted views in his field as one of the pillars of music journalism, like the usage and weaponizing of being "articulate" and that being his criteria alone could warrant an essay tbh

[Just a Gay on ATRL]

So many "important" institutions within the music industry and the people behind them are disgustingly and openly racist. It is so sad and makes me angry and depresses me. Imagine limiting your taste in music and the opportunities of other POC musicians in his position just because you only like white people music. Insanity.

[QueenBLadyG]

What an asinine clown. 

White people go on thinking and speaking this way because the other white people in their lives, don’t check them. If you know someone (friend or family) saying or doing racist things, and you sit by and do nothing, you’re complicit and apart of the problem. 

[Reverie]

18 minutes ago, Wicked said:

This cultural ignorance also effects how people judge lyricism, if an artist writes their lyrics in their minority cultural dialect (since he mentioned Marvin, Stevie & Curtis, we'll say AAVE) because it's not standard American English they are deemed inarticulate + their lyrics not "deep", when "arguably" Whats Going On and other albums like There's a Riot Going On are lyrically more profound than anything Jagger was involved in, I say that as a RS (band) fan. Lol. 

Right like omg...I don't know all of their stuff but I was raised on classic rock from my mom and to make that ignorant of a claim, it's not like they kept their profound work hidden in some deep cut or obscure interview, we're talking about Marvin Gaye and What's Going On, one of the most important albums of all time?? Oh but "deep things about a particular generation" **** you  

Edited September 16, 2023 by Reverie

[Badgalbriel]

What a disgrace

 

[QueenBLadyG]

On 9/15/2023 at 4:06 PM, sillycilla said:

This is why it’s always said it’s different for black artists. And when they succeed despite the obvious setbacks it’s to be commended.

All the Swifties (especially recently) constantly bringing down Beyoncé, and mentioning how she isn’t a “songwriter” - when she is literally an ASCAP recipient - is one of the many narratives that stem from racism and prejudice. To them it’s as if Beyoncé is incapable of putting a pen to paper (as a Black woman), and they try and make songwriting the checkmark that makes an artist an ACTUAL musician, and undermine her as a whole because of it. This narrative has also hurt her awards chances unfortunately. 

 

She prefers to collaborate, who gives a ****? Her ability to curate and bring together the talent it takes to bring her vision to fruition is something no other artist can say they’ve mastered as she has. She’s creative, hard working and a full on musician. Her colleagues constantly praise and mention her creativity and contributions but, again, they are disparaged and labeled liars who got a check. 

Edited September 17, 2023 by QueenBLadyG

[DAP]

Heartbroken that old white critics can only relate to men that sing about freebasing coke with a 14 year old girl they picked up off the street in Hollywood

 

[Kimi]

Quote

All right, thank you. It’s not that they’re not creative geniuses. It’s not that they’re inarticulate, although, go have a deep conversation with Grace Slick or Janis Joplin. Please, be my guest. You know, Joni was not a philosopher of rock ’n’ roll. She didn’t, in my mind, meet that test.

 

So Joni Mitchell is not a philosophical enough but ******* Bono or Mick Jagger are also him essentially calling Joplin an idiot. as a woman you'll never be good enough to certain men.

[Happylittlepunk]

Yikes I really hope the backlash is real. 
 

but once again he truly exposed how the industry works. 

[Digitalism]

Rolling stones was always like that

And the artists that are on the book used to get 5 stars on all of their records

That being said. Atrl taking this as an excuse for their favs not being acclaimed is funny. One racist and mysoginist does not represent all of the critics

[dumbsparce]

I'm sorry but I burst out laughing when he said "Hey let me correct you. I'm not a misogynist, I'm just racist". I'm at a loss for words.

 

When did this book (?) come out? Didn't Janis Joplin die eons ago?

Edited September 16, 2023 by dumbsparce

[Finite]

1 hour ago, Rotunda said:

He sounds like a few of y’all on here ngl

Ooop!

 

ot: Pretends to be shocked

[hétérosexuelle]

2 hours ago, Wicked said:

The artists featured in his book:

 

 

Bob Dylan, John Lennon, Mick Jagger, Pete Townshend, Jerry Garcia, Bono & Bruce Springsteen. 

 

 

[Cyanide]

Just wow!

[Katamari]

2 hours ago, Wicked said:

The artists featured in his book:

 

 

Bob Dylan, John Lennon, Mick Jagger, Pete Townshend, Jerry Garcia, Bono & Bruce Springsteen. 

 

 

the fact they would all disagree with him   well idk about jerry or lennon tho

 

I'm sure john would payola yoko or something

[byzantium]

Who is this bigot and why should anyone care?

[worldwide angel]

just gross.