Rep2000 Posted September 4, 2023 Posted September 4, 2023 51 minutes ago, Beyonnaise said: Came in just to say this. I don’t see the success of RW&RB and its ilk as a win for gays. It was literally written as a Larry Stylinson fanfiction by a One Direction stan for other women to consume. Heartstopper similarly has a mostly teen girl fanbase. The gays in these shows and movies are quite sanitized and infantilized and don’t act like any gays I’ve ever known. Opposed to the gays in Bros?
kimberly Posted September 4, 2023 Posted September 4, 2023 40 minutes ago, fridayteenage said: Call me when excellence like Fire Island is a mainstream hit. taste. I think had Fire Island received a theatrical release and the marketing funds of "Bros" it would have been much more successful, but obviously I can't prove it. OT: RWRB is hardly a gay movie. it's really made for the straight female gaze. however Billy Eichner was wrong, he's annoying to both straight and gay people
Desire Posted September 4, 2023 Posted September 4, 2023 So weird when one was released in actual theaters and the other was a direct to streaming
Just a Gay on ATRL Posted September 4, 2023 Posted September 4, 2023 The marketing for Boys was more or less "Are you LGBT? Are you an LGBT ally? Then you really should like this movie." and to their surprise, audiences don't like to try to be forced to like something. The material just wasn't there and the marketing made it so apparent. They pushed away not only homophobes and/or straights who would've never watched anyway, but also their target LGBT audience, which isn't that big a population compared to the US anyway to begin with, so if you lose them for your LGBT movie it's simple math: it will be crickets at the box office He blamed the flopping on straight people but I think he has it all wrong. Where were the gays and girlies? The gays and girlies show up when they want to... they simply stayed the hell away from this mess.
Communion Posted September 4, 2023 Posted September 4, 2023 (edited) RW&RB is basically a Western BL but I don't think, despite many being written as romance projection for straight women, they all somehow lack character or are unable to speak to queer audiences if given the right cast. I though wouldn't consider Heartstopper a BL; it was largely promoted more-so as a queer web comic that skirts away from things like sex by nature of its target audience simply not having the kind of relationship to sex as older LGBT people do. At the end of the day, Heartstopper is going to be a more realistic representative of LGBT youth being awkward and insecure than something like ELITE where we're meant to believe average high schoolers are rich, coked-up and horny. Edited September 4, 2023 by Communion 3
Smarticle Posted September 4, 2023 Posted September 4, 2023 1 hour ago, fridayteenage said: red white was created by someone who's not a gay man. and bro's marketing heavily emphasized (to its own detriment) how gay its cast was. Call me when excellence like Fire Island is a mainstream hit. I mean Fire Island was based off of Pride and Prejudice so...
Talento Posted September 4, 2023 Posted September 4, 2023 I mean realistically what was the competition on Prime Video? 1
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted September 4, 2023 ATRL Moderator Posted September 4, 2023 10 minutes ago, Jaded. said: The marketing for Boys was more or less "Are you LGBT? Are you an LGBT ally? Then you really should like this movie." and to their surprise, audiences don't like to try to be forced to like something. The material just wasn't there and the marketing made it so apparent. Barbie, the biggest movie of the year, literally ran a trailer that said, “If you like Barbie, then this movie is for you. If you don’t like Barbie, then this movie is for you.” That marketing strategy worked fine. The reality is that Bros failed for several reasons: Comedy movies, in general, are not as popular at the box office anymore. An R-rating immediately reduces the expected size of the audience considerably. The box office, nowadays, generally relies on existing IP to get butts in seats and Bros had none of that. Audiences are more selective with how they are going to theaters anymore to begin with (e.g., see the recent underperformances of The Little Mermaid, Indiana Jones, Ant-Man 3, Mission Impossible, Flash, etc.). And, yes, homophobia. It is beyond absurd to pretend homophobia isn’t an element at hand with the failure of Bros. There are plenty of reasons for why the movie flopped. But it’s a shame that the masses on ATRL are stuck on the idea that the GP just hates Billy Eichner when there’s innumerable other reasons to explain it. 2 1
fridayteenage Posted September 4, 2023 Posted September 4, 2023 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Smarticle said: I mean Fire Island was based off of Pride and Prejudice so... loosely. and it stars gay men of color. it is directed by a gay man of color. it is written by a gay man of color. he created Noah, Howie, and Will. so... Edited September 4, 2023 by fridayteenage
Smarticle Posted September 4, 2023 Posted September 4, 2023 12 minutes ago, fridayteenage said: loosely. and it stars gay men of color. it is directed by a gay man of color. it is written by a gay man of color. he created Noah, Howie, and Will. so... i'll take what gay media crumbs + success i can get without worrying too much about everyone's real identity on set, although having more gay men of colour in mainstream media is a bonus Bros flopping although it was white as hell is a kii though 1
Fitzswiftie Posted September 4, 2023 Posted September 4, 2023 2 hours ago, Bloo said: This movie has literally no box office performance so I don’t see how this disproves anything? The Nielsen ratings haven’t even been released yet either
Fitzswiftie Posted September 4, 2023 Posted September 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Jaded. said: The marketing for Boys was more or less "Are you LGBT? Are you an LGBT ally? Then you really should like this movie." and to their surprise, audiences don't like to try to be forced to like something. The material just wasn't there and the marketing made it so apparent. They pushed away not only homophobes and/or straights who would've never watched anyway, but also their target LGBT audience, which isn't that big a population compared to the US anyway to begin with, so if you lose them for your LGBT movie it's simple math: it will be crickets at the box office This!! With comedies (and especially rom coms) the one sentence elevator pitch needs to clear immediately. Two different Bros trailers and I couldn’t tell you romantic hook other than “it’s the gays turn now”. Contrast that with the marketing for RW&B, which clearly highlights the “frenemies to lovers between the first son and prince of England”. That’s a great hook. Even something like Love Simon, another gay rom com with the same “watch our movie, be woke” in it’s marketing made clear it’s hook “You’ve Got Mail but gay teens” / “closeted gay pen pals” apparent from the start. 1
ATRL Moderator supaspaz Posted September 4, 2023 ATRL Moderator Posted September 4, 2023 With all due respect, being #1 on Prime Video is like being #1 on Tidal. Who is using that platform? But very glad to see that the teenage girls who didn't come out to support Bros are watching this other gay romcom! 2
ATRL Moderator supaspaz Posted September 4, 2023 ATRL Moderator Posted September 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Bloo said: It is beyond absurd to pretend homophobia isn’t an element at hand with the failure of Bros. There are plenty of reasons for why the movie flopped. But it’s a shame that the masses on ATRL are stuck on the idea that the GP just hates Billy Eichner when there’s innumerable other reasons to explain it. Exactly. It's weird how much ATRL has taken to hating him for some reason.
Chemist Posted September 4, 2023 Author Posted September 4, 2023 2 hours ago, supaspaz said: With all due respect, being #1 on Prime Video is like being #1 on Tidal. Who is using that platform? - Netflix has the most subscribers. 220.6 million people subscribe to Netflix. - Prime Video is almost neck-and-neck with Netflix. Amazon’s subscription service has 220 million subscribers. source: https://www.sellcell.com/blog/how-many-subscribers-do-netflix-amazon-prime-video-disney-other-video-streaming-services-have/ (this is from Q2 2022)
vale9001 Posted September 4, 2023 Posted September 4, 2023 (edited) of course straight girls want straight people, or what they believe straight of course, to make gay roles. plus a comparison between box office, when you have to buy a ticket" with streaming makes not a lot of sense. as "being #1 on prime video" too cause like... in the last 3 weeks prime video has released something as "big"? They don't give us real numbers, just positions. Edited September 4, 2023 by vale9001
Shinning Posted September 4, 2023 Posted September 4, 2023 I don't know how y'all can watch these "gay" films written by straight women. It's so far removed from the reality of the gay experience. At least mine.
Chemist Posted September 4, 2023 Author Posted September 4, 2023 34 minutes ago, Shinning said: I don't know how y'all can watch these "gay" films written by straight women. It's so far removed from the reality of the gay experience. At least mine. It’s literally fiction. Do you think every straight person relates to every straight romcom? The latest jennifer lawrence movie was as impossible in real life as this one, and it was also a big success.
LoveInStereo Posted September 4, 2023 Posted September 4, 2023 Saw both. Bros was a better movie, flawed but had heart. The other 1 is absolute garbage that appeals to straight audiences more bc it’s so vapid & toothless and the characters are so 1 dimensional & inauthentic
LoveInStereo Posted September 4, 2023 Posted September 4, 2023 8 hours ago, Rep2000 said: Opposed to the gays in Bros? The central theme of the movie was that Billy’s character was a jaded, 40 year old bitter gaycel.. either you didn’t watch the movie & you’re being presumptuous or you couldn’t understand a Judd Apatow movie, either way, mess
Rep2000 Posted September 4, 2023 Posted September 4, 2023 17 minutes ago, LoveInStereo said: The central theme of the movie was that Billy’s character was a jaded, 40 year old bitter gaycel.. either you didn’t watch the movie & you’re being presumptuous or you couldn’t understand a Judd Apatow movie, either way, mess Ah, no wonder why the main character syndrome was so strong in that movie. No wonder why the gays in the movie are so shallow and toxic, including the main character who doesn't need to change 1 bit to bag the hottest gay into a relationship with him. Talking about unrealistic expectations...
Ghiles Posted September 4, 2023 Posted September 4, 2023 Did they really spend a budget of $22 million on Bros
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted September 4, 2023 ATRL Moderator Posted September 4, 2023 11 hours ago, supaspaz said: Exactly. It's weird how much ATRL has taken to hating him for some reason. I don’t understand it. It seems to be a trend for members on here to dunk on gay celebrities in general. 9 hours ago, Chemist said: - Netflix has the most subscribers. 220.6 million people subscribe to Netflix. - Prime Video is almost neck-and-neck with Netflix. Amazon’s subscription service has 220 million subscribers. source: https://www.sellcell.com/blog/how-many-subscribers-do-netflix-amazon-prime-video-disney-other-video-streaming-services-have/ (this is from Q2 2022) And the majority of those subscribers don’t watch Amazon Prime consistently. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1278161/tv-consumption-amazon-prime-video/ Comparing Amazon Prime Video to Netflix is empirically silly.
Lovett Posted September 4, 2023 Posted September 4, 2023 12 hours ago, Shinning said: I don't know how y'all can watch these "gay" films written by straight women. It's so far removed from the reality of the gay experience. At least mine. It's a rom-com, sis. It's not supposed to be a gritty, realistic film. It's supposed to be light-hearted, romantic and fantastical, just like all the straight rom-coms. We deserve variety in our queer content, not everything has to be hyper-realistic.
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