base talk Where are Taylor's international units coming from?

[EmailMySwift]

2 minutes ago, WeFoundTrouble said:

I cannot imagine the misery some people live in. The way Taylor’s success elicits such a rabid need to tear her down, which is ultimately always in vain  

It really was a cruel summer for them 

[Badgalbriel]

Her haters are having a desperate day today, it seems

[Nnnv]

what even is fishy ?? She’s charting almost 5-8 of her albums in all big music markets from Italy to Germany to UK to Canada to Belgium to Australia to New Zealand… and where there are no charts we have album chart of Apple Music and Spotify… and to no one’s surprise she is charting whole of her catalogue there … 
 

Also 

1) you are forgetting there are services that are even bigger than Spotify ; namely QQ music or net-ease in china, which fortunately are included in global tally of her units 

2) Spotify itself is so huge (400-500 million users ) so being Spotify dominated isn’t a bad thing … but good thing because no other service out of china is this big in streaming, even in US Spotify has more users than Apple Music ( which is primarily US oriented) and her most streaming units are from Spotify ( 600 million on average weekly) and reportedly 1 billion ww weekly .. 

3) recently a new tool by Spotify was revealed which showed us streams from each country and as her global power is known she only gets 35 million streams from US ( twice the #2) out of her 100 million tally ( at time of those reports ) .. so 75 million streams out of US ( 3 times of act at #2)  .. and she is continuously in top 10 of every big market for Spotify except India ; where she is highest charting international act 

 

so there’s nothing fishy except your fumes 

[Shelter]

 Narnia duh 

 

[Aethereal]

38 minutes ago, burninredhot said:

Spotify is the most globally used streaming platform + Amazon also has been growing alot in Europe and Asia in the last few years. Whatever point you're trying to make is not sticking 

 

Why don't you join "hahaha  taylor's reign destroyed you ahahah you're jealous ahahah OTH" chant instead here? 

Some few here actually get it and are trying to argue or did not leave a response back. I would answer that but I am afraid it will fall on deaf ears. 

 

[tshwark]

Since you don’t need to actually buy the album, it doesn’t really matter thanks to vpn.

[Aethereal]

1 minute ago, tshwark said:

Since you don’t need to actually buy the album, it doesn’t really matter thanks to vpn.

That's a creative excuse. I am gonna give you props for that.

[Cain]

SEA Streaming farms

 

[Toxicity.]

I guess her box office numbers next month will be fake news too 

[MingYouToo]

All the white women from Little Town Arkansas and Utah have moved to the Shenzhen Sorting Center in China beside the SHEIN factory where they're building massive streaming farms to make her look more global than she actually is!

[Aethereal]

5 hours ago, lonnie said:

China according to her stans

 

Digital album sales count for only 5.3% of China's music market and China is 7th largest market (probably outside of top 10 when it comes to sales and streams only), the math for those high digital album sales is not adding. The recording units revenue is 70% streaming and only 25% digital in China. 

[Cloröx]

75% of those international units come from my accounts, it's not really a surprise 

[Eternium]

They’re heavily manipulated and faked, just like every act’s streams. But you’re not going to be able to have an actual conversation about that because you singled out Taylor Swift and the fans are going to go into defense mode.

 

https://www.billboard.com/pro/fake-music-streams-fraud-problem-soundcloud-spotify/

 

The fact that so many global platforms are more than 50% fake streams and only one country, South Korea, is actually fighting it  Make a separate thread not targeting any artist if you actually want to discuss that.

[orange22]

 

[BtDecember]

Idk man, I checked all OFFICIAL charts out there across musical platforms in all countries available and I see Taylor’s name multiple times throughout the year. But I guess these charts are questionable too because apparently there is no way that Taylor is supposed to be this big? I don’t know where to get the most reliable information anymore. Can you suggest more reliable and objective sources than these so that we can analyze and interpret them properly and then finally you will accept it? :( 

 

EDIT: I am waiting for Billboard and IFPI year end numbers for 2023 but they might not be reliable enough for you too :(

Edited September 2, 2023 by BtDecember

[byzantium]

8 hours ago, Aristotle said:

do you think I am that stupid

Do you want an honest answer? 

[burninredhot]

6 hours ago, Aristotle said:

 

Why don't you join "hahaha  taylor's reign destroyed you ahahah you're jealous ahahah OTH" chant instead here? 

Some few here actually get it and are trying to argue or did not leave a response back. I would answer that but I am afraid it will fall on deaf ears. 

 

They're quite alot of people trying to make a valid point here but clearly you don't want to reply to them 

[byzantium]

1 minute ago, burninredhot said:

They're quite alot of people trying to make a valid point here but clearly you don't want to reply to them 

And for context, this was all explained to the OP quite nicely in a different thread and they just chose to not engage with information that might contradict their theory.  

[Aethereal]

11 minutes ago, Eternium said:

They’re heavily manipulated and faked, just like every act’s streams. But you’re not going to be able to have an actual conversation about that because you singled out Taylor Swift and the fans are going to go into defense mode.

 

https://www.billboard.com/pro/fake-music-streams-fraud-problem-soundcloud-spotify/

 

The fact that so many global platforms are more than 50% fake streams and only one country, South Korea, is actually fighting it  Make a separate thread not targeting any artist if you actually want to discuss that.

TBH, I think it's just a number IFPI pulled out of their ass, or at least they did not reconsider singling out ad-streams with premium ones. 

 

 

How many times did we see reported that BOMT sold 30M pure copies or AIWFCIY selling +14M by 2012? 

 

Born to Die which is my favorite album with it's strong catalog vinyl sales and streams will overtake Loud according to Chartmasters but unfortunately it's success has been, probably, inflated by streaming. 

 

I am not sure how much those fake streams will change the scenario.

 

 

 

 

 

[Aethereal]

5 minutes ago, byzantium said:

And for context, this was all explained to the OP quite nicely in a different thread and they just chose to not engage with information that might contradict their theory.  

Girl read the OP again.

 

[Taylena]

1 hour ago, orange22 said:

 

What are you even trying to do here?  

[Popboi.]

There's nothing fishy when she's charting one (or for the most part multiple) albums in pretty much every single country's top 10 for... the whole year.

 

"65% of all Amazon Users being from US" does not equal to "65%" of streams coming from US, much less "65%" of Taylor's. She's much better constantly in Amazon UK than US for instance, she is no longer "anomaly huge in US" to think she would instantly perform much better there in contrast to every other country combined, she's abnormally huge very much everywhere this year.

 

40% of Spotify streams being from US alines with the 35-38% margin. in the units estimates of the year. Also keep in mind she has dozens of songs that are getting big streams consistently but not enough to chart in the WW Spotify chart, so it's impossible to accurately do the split of which streams are from US and which ones are from outside.

 

"Most of her Apple Music streams, probably, come from US". That's a probably for a reason, and probably wildly incorrect. She has 0 albums in the Apple Music top 10 in US, meanwhile she has 3 in Australia, 3 in Canada, 8 in Philippines, 4 in Indonesia, 4 in Mexico, 3 in Ireland, 2 in UK, 4 in New Zealand and so on, with Midnights being top 10 in pretty much most of Asia and South America and on par with the US position in most Europe. US Apple Music is the biggest of the platform, but let's not act like it was small in other countries in 2023.

 

Also 75% of her pure sales being from US... most countries don't report pure sales or simply don't split them from the streaming units like US does, how would we possibly know that %.

 

Btw don't try to question IFPI when... not managing any of the numbers

Edited September 2, 2023 by Popboi.

[Kodak Energy]

Only around 15% of her units this year come from pure sales. Of those about 2/3 of those come from America. 

 

The majority of her units come from streams 85% of those about 35% of those come from America. You can see these with her daily Spotify streams for example. 
 

So overall about 40% of her Units come from America. 0.35*0.85+2/3*0.15

 

Edited September 2, 2023 by Kodak Energy

[airplane]

It’s funny how pressed OTH’s are 

 

Taylor Swift will continue to make billions on her tour and continue getting 100M daily streams and she’ll continue manipulating algorithms and bloating her success with PR and no one can question it because if we do, we’re obsessed and jealous

Edited September 2, 2023 by airplane

[Mystic Boy]

5 hours ago, orange22 said:

 

WTF is this ?