celeb news Roisin Murphy admits transphobia in awful statement; Ninja Tune ceases promotion

[KeirGrey]

3 minutes ago, sunbathinganimal said:

Me too nnnnn

 

OT: not when I just bought tickets to see her 

Spill!

[Navyofbadgals]

Seriously disappointing already, made 10x worse knowing how much queer support she’s received over the years. 

 

if TERFs are so offended over being called TERF then they could try not being transphobic.. it really shouldn’t be that hard

[MoonGoodandHappy]

I don't get it ? In my country puberty blockers are considered like a crime. A children should obviously never taking it.

[Domination]

13 minutes ago, Trent W said:

Don’t you have to go through very long therapy and process before they diagnose someone and give them transition medication?

 

From my knowledge its a long process and is not something a kid decides in 10min and you can go to the doctor for prescription.

 

I think there is an extreme level of misinformation out there about the process

 

That medication is not accesible or easy to get for anyone.

 

It depends on the doctor prescribing, as is the case with anything. Some can get prescribed within a very short span of time and also some that go through years of counseling before that conclusion is ever reached. The same could be said about putting children on medication for BPD or ADHD, the path is going to vary greatly and there will always be cases that can be cherry picked to show that some individuals regretted it. Overall, data would lead us to believe that there is not an epidemic of people that regret it and no reason to distrust the current process (in the US).

[Blue Jeans]

39 minutes ago, RT Air said:

Aren’t people jumping to conclusions a little early, by the way? That tweet barely even qualifies as a screenshot let alone as ‘proof’. Though even if it’s legit, that comment seems more uneducated to me than transphobic. Which is still unfortunate considering how respected she is in the LGBTQIA+ community, but some of the comments on her Instagram calling for her eternal ban from queer spaces is a ‘little’ too much

This  Jumping to a conclusion so quickly and so many replies here without knowing much

[visions]

Every OPBH (original puberty blocker hater) just stopped replying instead of being able to provide a counter argument.  

 

It’s almost as though their half baked opinions are just regurgitated **** and they’ve done no research on the topics they love to pass their opinion on? 

[Galaxy]

Her personality finally matching her awful music 

[Trent W]

3 minutes ago, Domination said:

It depends on the doctor prescribing, as is the case with anything. Some can get prescribed within a very short span of time and also some that go through years of counseling before that conclusion is ever reached. The same could be said about putting children on medication for BPD or ADHD, the path is going to vary greatly and there will always be cases that can be cherry picked to show that some individuals regretted it. Overall, data would lead us to believe that there is not an epidemic of people that regret it and no reason to distrust the current process (in the US).

That makes sense.

 

This topic honestly has no business in mainstream news. It should be just treated privately and science should develop the right procedure of transition to each person

 

This topic in the news is just a bunch o click-bait misinformation that is only bringing hate to the community affected

[Ewan Chaos]

The fact she's replying to a Glinner post of all things should say it all  

 

I'd like to think she educates herself on how her rhetoric is wrong, but she's really bull-headed so I'm sure she'll double down on it. Doesn't help that she has MULTIPLE transphobic/right leaning dog whistles in that post and she'd probably find transphobic gay people to back her up like "she's a gay icon she said nothing wrong she still supports us!" or whatever.

 

Incredibly disappointing, and this is coming from a hardcore fan (not someone who always hated her and is now like "slay we can cancel her!" regardless of what she even said sdhdhdsidhgsoh).

[satellites.™]

1 hour ago, CandleGuy said:

The mob mentality to cry "tRaNsPhObIa" whenever a celeb states a completely rational take on protecting children is ridiculous.

It's literally INSANE at this point, like ANY single pushback is met with being called a transphobe, same as people did Jamie Foxx with the anti-semitism. 

 

The internet and ATRL in general are just so out of touch with reality and how MOST people really think.

 

 

[Tomek]

38 minutes ago, MoonGoodandHappy said:

I don't get it ? In my country puberty blockers are considered like a crime. A children should obviously never taking it.

it's crazy how you're not even allowed to debut a tattoo before legal age but somehow you're allowed to take stuff like this???

Edited August 23, 2023 by Tomek

[PopKills]

26 minutes ago, MoonGoodandHappy said:

I don't get it ? In my country puberty blockers are considered like a crime. A children should obviously never taking it.

What about cases where it’s literally the best thing for the child in the long run like Kim Petras, who got them at 12? 

[visions]

1 minute ago, Tomek said:

you're not even allowd to debut a tattoo before legal age but somehow you're allowed to take stuff like this??? it's crazy right 

What? 

 

This is what I mean by a half baked opinion. Is a tattoo lifesaving medication? Please exercise some critical thinking at some point in your life. 

[Sparksfly88]

4 hours ago, JohnWayneHolland said:

Isn't she like a gay icon or something? 

A lot of gay men and women don’t support trans people

[Trent W]

7 minutes ago, satellites.™ said:

It's literally INSANE at this point, like ANY single pushback is met with being called a transphobe, same as people did Jamie Foxx with the anti-semitism. 

 

The internet and ATRL in general are just so out of touch with reality and how MOST people really think.

 

 

To be fair I don’t think screaming transphobe to every single misinformed person will help.

 

The reality is that 99% of parents don’t know how to deal with a trans kid. 
 

The mainstream idea of “a kid says is the opposite gender time to give them puberty blockers” is literally poison.

 

As mentioned above there is a a process and series of steps to follow

 

And that’s the only way since a kid forced to stay in a gender he doesn’t identify can lead to an existential crisis mixed with a very deep depression.

 

There needs to be a proper way to inform people other than attacking and using trans issues as a political topic.

[Tomek]

4 minutes ago, visions said:

What? 

 

This is what I mean by a half baked opinion. Is a tattoo livesaving medication? Please exercise some critical thinking at some point in your life. 

and how is puberty blockers a livesaving medication?

 

if the government can tell you that you can't permanently paint your body before legal age, you shouldn't be allowed to transform your body either. 

[cloudbusting]

hardly the first to say it, but this is incredibly disappointing coming from her 

[Communion]

23 minutes ago, Unoriginal said:

another thank you to @Communion @SecretSecret and @Jessie for combatting the misinformation and transphobic reactionary responses in the thread

 

Also, just to emphasize, I think asking questions is fine. Asking questions is good! People should be asking questions - ideally to a doctor to get a better understanding. I think if a parent had hesitations over what to do with their trans child because they worry about making a mistake as a parent, that's expected and fine.

 

But like... as you even point out, most of the people who participate in these kind of discussions, Roisin included, clearly don't appear as someone boggled down by innocent confusion.

 

In fact, the characteristic most consistent is complete assurance. Knee-jerk, full-throated convictions. Look at the language used. This is all apparently a SCHEME by Big Pharma. Trans people and those who support them are "ON THE WRONG SIDE OF HISTORY". People with little medical knowledge are convinced this is STERILIZATION.

 

How do you treat someone and their concerns as innocuous if they've already been invested enough in a subject to stumble upon the conspiracy theory that being trans was created by Big Pharma to abuse children? 

[Psycho]

Good thing I never liked her voice/music 

[Keter]

I personally advocate for informed consent. It needs to be outlined in detail the impact these medications can have on reproductive and sexual viability.
 

Puberty is the process of sexual maturation in humans. Puberty blockers can halt puberty, but cross-sex hormones cannot cause a full puberty (maturation) in trans individuals. 
 

Puberty acts on the specific sex in a way that CANNOT be FULLY reproduced in the opposite sex. I simply want patients and families to be aware of this and to understand diminished or absent sexual function is a major risk. 
 

Puberty blockers are used to delay puberty when it starts too young. Typically it’s only delayed a few years and then the natural process occurs. 
 

Those who utilize them habitually may never achieve sexual maturation. This is a huge huge factor that must be explained clearly so the patient and family can make an informed and educated decision. 
 

Support trans people and advocate for patient rights and knowledge!

[fauxtography]

15 minutes ago, Tomek said:

you're not even allowd to debut a tattoo before legal age but somehow you're allowed to take stuff like this??? it's crazy right 

this "argument" is moot as there is no age restriction on cosmetic/plastic surgery

[visions]

1 minute ago, Tomek said:

and how is puberty blockers a livesaving medication?

 

if the government can tell you that you can't permanently paint your body before legal age, you shouldn't be allowed to transform your body either. 

Slowing down puberty helps to prevent body dysmorphia. Preventing body dysmorphia means there’s less chance the person will have a multitude of mental health problems, including depression. And preventing depression… Do you get it now? 

 

There’s many studies out there which show that trans youth are disproportionally more likely to end their life than their cis peers. And if they don’t have access to gender affirming care, this number obviously increases. 

[Keter]

2 hours ago, Communion said:

Do they understand that a trans child at 10 or 11 who goes on puberty blockers has to at one point end said blockers and then begin hormone replacement therapy or else, y'know, the puberty that aligns with their birth sex will begin developing? 

This is correct but the missing element is that estrogen in an AMAB body and testosterone in an AFAB body cannot have the same maturation effects. Individuals on cross sex hormones never sexually mature. Jazz Jennings is such a case. 

[MoonGoodandHappy]

19 minutes ago, visions said:

What? 

 

This is what I mean by a half baked opinion. Is a tattoo lifesaving medication? Please exercise some critical thinking at some point in your life. 

Are you kidding me ? Like.... Do you know how many young boy or girls want to change their gender and change their mind later ? Theres a lot of cases of ex trans children who are traumatized for life and their life is destroyed because of this because they have changed their mind and what they did is irreversible.

I can't believe we live in a era where saying that is considered like transphobic. 

Leave childrens alone, they will make this choice when their BRAIN IS FINISHED. When i was 9 years old i wanted to be a Pikachu. 

Edited August 23, 2023 by MoonGoodandHappy

[Sparksfly88]

4 hours ago, Communion said:

She's a TERF for spreading the conspiracy theory that puberty blockers exist as a big pharma profit mechanism, 100% yes.

 

Would you not feel the same way (that such a person is unserious and uneducated) about someone who refers to ADHD medication as meth and calls prescribing it child abuse? The implication not being that medicine is tricky and nuanced and is patient-by-patient but that the entire concept of [insert treatment] is a big, fraudulent money-making scheme at the expense of children? 

I don’t think children should be allowed to take puberty blockers and I’m a gay person. I’m sorry but teenagers change their mind all the time, I don’t believe they should be allowed to play with their body like that and they could regret it later in life. 
 

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/transgender-woman-denied-euthanasia-in-canada-over-post-surgical-pain-and-regret/

 

this post op trans woman has been in pain for years after her bottom surgery (you have to introduce a dildo daily because the bottom surgery is just an open wound where they slice the ***** into half to create a neo-******. Obviously, your body will try to heal that open wound and close it that’s why you have to introduce a dildo every day to keep the neo-****** open. Sex is painful and uncomfortable because our bodies are not meant to be walking around with an open wound. We are literally mutilating children without explaining all of the pain they will have to endure.

Edited August 23, 2023 by Sparksfly88