base talk Billie vs Olivia: bigger debut era?

[bad guy]

Sour was a bit bigger in the US but globally it's WWAFA and it's not close. You felt her impact during that time. The trend-setting. The copycats arising. It was the rise of a global superstar and household name. She was matching/breaking chart records that were held by Adele and Taylor, just massive. People also forget that her EP was doing MPG number as well at the time. Pretty sure she's the only female artist that debuted post-2015 to sell 1M pure copies of an album, as well as the last female artist to sell 1M pure copies in the US that isn't Taylor Swift or Adele  Post-2015 the only female albums to sell 1M are 25, Lemonade, Reputation, WWAFA, Lover, 30, and Midnights  Her catalog become a vinyl staple with just one era. 

 

As far as "hits" are concerned, the only reason she had less success on the Hot 100 than Sour is purely due to airplay. They just had no idea where to play her because her music was was too different/alt for pop radio, and alternative radio is not big enough to really make a dent on charts. That said, the streams (and sales) speak for themselves and her singles were all viral smash hits. Even her album tracks were going viral before Tiktok even blew up. 

 

YSSMIAC: 775M streams, 2x platinum US, 15 platinum certs + 1 diamond cert globally

WTPO: 1.6B streams, 4x platinum US, 35 platinum certs + 1 diamond cert globally

bury a friend: 954M streams, 3x platinum US, 25 platinum certs globally

bad guy: 2.3B streams, Diamond in the US, 55 platinum certs + 4 diamonds certs globally

 

The only single that flopped was ATGGGTH (580M streams) but even the video went viral on Youtube and Fox News for being "demonic" 

 

Speaking of Youtube, after WWAFA she steamrolled into the Top 10 most subscribed female artists list (and later kicked Katy Perry out the Top 5) ending up at #4 under Blackpink, Ariana, and Taylor. Then we get into acclaim, IFPI, awards, views...I think you get the idea. 

 

Olivia had a great success, but nobody has been able to take the crown of Gen Z's queen just yet. 

 

Edited August 9, 2023 by bad guy

[ReH2o]

Billie was global

[VioletsandRoses]

Billie by far. Even though songs have low peaks they still got amazing streams. WTPO only has 300m less streams on Spotify compared to G4U/DL but way more on YouTube and of course pure sales. Bad Guy was a global smash. Smashed in hard markets like Japan and South Korea. The album was much more bigger globally. Super impressive pure sales. I believe only ASIB/Lover/30 outsold it for these past few years. Sour did amazing too but even in Europe and Japan it did the same as HTE or even less. Media coverage and impact goes to Billie for sure. She was a smaller scale Gaga/Adele in WW dominance. 

[FailSafe]

I'll give the edge to Billie. Both debut are infinitely bigger than Dua's tho

[hawx23]

Billie has only one Hot 100 #1

[Blackout2006]

14 hours ago, Margaux said:

atrlers used to drag gaga for soundtrack hits. why use it for billies advantage. it wasn’t even a full album by hers. it was heavily carried by the barbie movie. notice how no time to die tanked despite being a billie release. she has no star power now. 

Tanked? What world are you saying this in? Chromatica??  It's an OSCAR-winning song, has over 400 million streams on Spotify, and charted in the Top 10 of 25+ charts. Saying she has no star power when she has the highest-streamed single from the Barbie soundtrack and just finished the best-grossing female tour of last year is null of logic. Please stop  it

[fridayteenage]

asian excellence with 3 #1 hits (career to-date)

Edited August 10, 2023 by fridayteenage

[Blackout2006]

12 hours ago, Kimi said:

The thing yall seem to forget is that billie was so huge her pervious ep became a smash hit at the same time, like it happened due to when we all fall asleep being so big gp wanted more. So Sour, as big as it was cannot compare to dsam+wwafawdwg

Bonus from chatmasters

 

When we all - 15.9M

SOUR - 13M

dont smile at me - 12.3M

So you're telling me that a small EP released by Billie as an indie artist is kind of on par with Olivia's full-fledged record, her biggest one too?  

[Blackout2006]

12 hours ago, bad guy said:

Sour was a bit bigger in the US but globally it's WWAFA and it's not close. You felt her impact during that time. The trend-setting. The copycats arising. It was the rise of a global superstar and household name. She was matching/breaking chart records that were held by Adele and Taylor, just massive. People also forget that her EP was doing MPG number as well at the time. Pretty sure she's the only female artist that debuted post-2015 to sell 1M pure copies of an album, as well as the last female artist to sell 1M pure copies in the US that isn't Taylor Swift or Adele  Post-2015 the only female albums to sell 1M are 25, Lemonade, Reputation, WWAFA, Lover, 30, and Midnights  Her catalog become a vinyl staple with just one era. 

 

As far as "hits" are concerned, the only reason she had less success on the Hot 100 than Sour is purely due to airplay. They just had no idea where to play her because her music was was too different/alt for pop radio, and alternative radio is not big enough to really make a dent on charts. That said, the streams (and sales) speak for themselves and her singles were all viral smash hits. Even her album tracks were going viral before Tiktok even blew up. 

 

YSSMIAC: 775M streams, 2x platinum US, 15 platinum certs + 1 diamond cert globally

WTPO: 1.6B streams, 4x platinum US, 35 platinum certs + 1 diamond cert globally

bury a friend: 954M streams, 3x platinum US, 25 platinum certs globally

bad guy: 2.3B streams, Diamond in the US, 55 platinum certs + 4 diamonds certs globally

 

The only single that flopped was ATGGGTH (580M streams) but even the video went viral on Youtube and Fox News for being "demonic" 

 

Speaking of Youtube, after WWAFA she steamrolled into the Top 10 most subscribed female artists list (and later kicked Katy Perry out the Top 5) ending up at #4 under Blackpink, Ariana, and Taylor. Then we get into acclaim, IFPI, awards, views...I think you get the idea. 

 

Olivia had a great success, but nobody has been able to take the crown of Gen Z's queen just yet. 

 

 This post perfectly encapsulates it. She was the first Gen Z artist to have shifted over 1 million pure sales, and it's crazy how her debut album (even her EP) immediately became a vinyl staple, in the golden age of streaming. Her international success as an alt-pop artist single-handedly molded the sonic aspects of this generation's pop. Though it is a kii to see many people here claim that Sour was bigger in numbers when Billie was literally one of the first artists to be pulling the massive streams for each album track at a time when hit singles carried the entirety of the album's streams. WAFFA's numbers will always be more impressive no matter the number of revisionist Livies

Edited August 10, 2023 by Blackout2006

[Margaux]

4 hours ago, Blackout2006 said:

Tanked? What world are you saying this in? Chromatica??  It's an OSCAR-winning song, has over 400 million streams on Spotify, and charted in the Top 10 of 25+ charts. Saying she has no star power when she has the highest-streamed single from the Barbie soundtrack and just finished the best-grossing female tour of last year is null of logic. Please stop  it

chromatica isn’t a soundtrack album. 400 million streams on spotify is quite low considering the payola and tth placement

[Blackout2006]

3 minutes ago, Margaux said:

chromatica isn’t a soundtrack album. 400 million streams on spotify is quite low considering the payola and tth placement

I was asking if you are living in Chromatica sarcastically but ok...NTD is one of the highest-streamed OST songs for the James Bond franchise and is again, an Oscar-winning song  

[liquiddiamonds]

I think Billie was the moment Gen Z took over pop once and for all and set trends that are still emulated today. It was a true watermark moment for pop in general and I think we will value it more and more as time passes. Part of the backlash Billie received fot HTE was exactly because she deviated from her debut aesthetics and sound.

 

Olivia had a huge era and SOUR is also a pop culture moment, arguably the second female gen z pop superstar to debut, which is nothing to mock. As other users have said she quite didn’t care to solidify her celebrity once G4U lost steam. She feels less celebrity-inclined than Billie. She gives off shy kid energy off the stage. Billie has a lot of charisma in interviews and appearances.

 

The thing is that although coming for Billie’s wig with numbers, SOUR is not on the same classic level as WWAFAWDWG is. The upside is that there’s a lot of room to grow for Olivia and we are yet to see her creative peak (i think she has a fire in her that wants to be a seminal artist that much). GUTS sounds very promising and I can see Olivia forging a more creative path than superstar if we go by her influences. Billie on the other hand has a lot to live up to her initial impact and she will always earn comparisons to her past when she switches up (annoyingly since i think HTE is her best album and she only gets better). Some of her stans need to let that era go and they’re too attached to it. That’s how much of a bigger thing her debut feels in comparison to SOUR. 

Edited August 10, 2023 by liquiddiamonds