base talk Billie vs Olivia: bigger debut era?

[Squall]

Billie even though SOUR was big

 

Bad Guy sold 30M+ units in two years alone

[idleavealone]

This thread being remade every 2 business days  I'd say numbers wise SOUR, but culturally WWAFA was insaneee, the name recognition Billie got during that era was crazy, everyone and their mother knew who she was. 

[Mr. Duff]

Both are MASSIVE, but SOUR is bigger in my opinion. But I do remember Billie was everywhere during her era, and she still kinda overshadowed Olivia in her HTE era.

 

SOUR is bigger as an album, as an era WWFA is much more in your face. Probably because Billie's the bigger celebrity.

[Blackout2006]

As someone who has vividly lived through both these eras, they were both very huge but Billie takes the trophy. Similar to Olivia (In a way), her name was everywhere all of a sudden, and 'Bad Guy' was inescapable. The album was the first of its kind on Spotify to have all the singles and non-singles have 100+ million streams, was one of the highest-selling albums and most streamed album that year, 'Bad Guy' was IFPI's biggest 2019 hit, and she immediately began competing with the top names of 2019 pop like Taylor Swift, Ariana Grande, BTS, Lady Gaga, etc. The day after the Grammys was filled with online discourse and media attention on her historic Grammy win and unfortunately, with it came the intense wave of backlash. Then followed the announcement of her recording for the James Bond Franchise, making her the youngest artist to achieve such a solid feat. It was truly a point in pop. Everyone was talking, and listening to her. If she had Tik Tok by her side, the era would've been even more successful. The industry had not seen an extremely famous female teen popstar like her in a long time 

Edited August 9, 2023 by Blackout2006

[More Than A Melody]

They're both huge in their own way. I voted for Billie because I think she has an edge but they're not really comparable.

 

Olivia had the numbers, singles, album, you name it. She smashed it. Let's not rewrite history.

 

But Billie was culturally a lot more impactful. Especially considering that monoculture has been dying a slow death for the past decade. She felt inescapable.

 

I think it's silly to pit them against each other because they both breathe fresh air into a scene that's fast becoming stale. So I'd rather appreciate both of them and their talent.

[Doogle]

Billie was a genuine cultural reset and a huge celebrity that dominated the world

[Blackout2006]

3 hours ago, brraap said:

Billie cemented herself as the voice of a generation with her debut.

This. The wave of artists that came out with those whispery, delicate, and minimal vocals like hers (which even Olivia has used multiple times) changed the direction of pop.

[Margaux]

sour is still talk about these days. billie’s is only talk about being one of the biggest fall from grace. it’s completely forgotten outside stan twitter. and people mentioning grammys as if it isn’t geared towards white people like billie is. 

[Blackout2006]

6 minutes ago, Doogle said:

Billie was a genuine cultural reset and a huge celebrity that dominated the world

The Tea but I'm afraid certain users can't admit that

[Blackout2006]

Just now, Margaux said:

sour is still talk about these days. billie’s is only talk about being one of the biggest fall from grace. it’s completely forgotten outside stan twitter. and people mentioning grammys as if it isn’t geared towards white people like billie is. 

If 2 + 2 = 4...Then how can the minuscule community of Stan Twitter carry WAFFA on the Billboard Hot 200 for 4 years (and counting)?

[Blackout2006]

4 minutes ago, Margaux said:

billie’s is only talk about being one of the biggest fall from grace.

If only everyone could fall from grace while still having one of the most acclaimed and successful hits from the biggest soundtrack this year 

[State of Grace.]

Billie had the biggest debut since Gaga. She was also the closest to the global phenomenon that Gaga was. Anyone arguing otherwise is delusional.  

[TaylorNation]

I don’t care for/stan either but Billie easily

[flashfox]

Olivia's felt bigger where I live.

[Cloudy]

Billie by far. It was a phenomenom, the other one was more of a forced plant type of thing

[Baby Judas]

Sour is the bigger album, numbers don't lie. But Billie was the bigger celebrity. Billie was everywhere, meanwhile, Olivia disappeared after she dropped the album. As for overall era, Billie takes it. 

[Margaux]

1 hour ago, Blackout2006 said:

If only everyone could fall from grace while still having one of the most acclaimed and successful hits from the biggest soundtrack this year 

atrlers used to drag gaga for soundtrack hits. why use it for billies advantage. it wasn’t even a full album by hers. it was heavily carried by the barbie movie. notice how no time to die tanked despite being a billie release. she has no star power now. 

[wish]

Billie cemented a brand for herself, catapulted the alt-pop genre into one of the biggest sounds today, and changed the pop industry for young female artists. Olivia racked up hits but her debut era was not as impactful in this way.

 

Also Olivia still feels like she has something to prove, while Billie already felt iconic by the end of WWAFA era 

[Nico Robin]

The Oscar winner

[LookinAssHittas]

I’m from Canada, so maybe the answer varies from country to country.  But as someone who doesn’t really listen to either of them and can’t name any of their songs outside of their singles, I can say that Billie is BY FAR the bigger superstar and had the bigger era.

 

Even if you didn’t listen to her music, Billie was everywhere. Her sound, and especially her image, were very influential. 
 

Olivia Rodrigo is a successful artist, but she has NO cultural impact whatsoever and there’s nothing unique about her. Everything about her music & image gives me watered down Taylor Swift (and Taylor is already someone who’s quite vanilla and not really different/unique, no shade)

[A.R.L]

Billie easily 

[brraap]

2 hours ago, Blackout2006 said:

This. The wave of artists that came out with those whispery, delicate, and minimal vocals like hers (which even Olivia has used multiple times) changed the direction of pop.

Not this downvote from a livinator 

 

They can’t accept fax 

 

[joannna]

Billie was on that Gaga, Britney level of peak

 

Sour just came and went

[Kimi]

The thing yall seem to forget is that billie was so huge her pervious ep became a smash hit at the same time, like it happened due to when we all fall asleep being so big gp wanted more. So Sour, as big as it was cannot compare to dsam+wwafawdwg

Bonus from chatmasters

 

When we all - 15.9M

SOUR - 13M

dont smile at me - 12.3M

[Trent W]

WWAFA is the only era Gen Z has comparable to TFM or BOMT, is not close but is a meteoric rise impossible to achieve these decades.

 

SOUR was more of an era like Fearless from Taylor, which was massive in numbers but very passive in terms of celebrity and noise.
 

 

Edited August 9, 2023 by Trent W