base talk Taylor, Gaga, Bey, Rih, Adele - biggest?

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10 minutes ago, Raspberries said:

Did those 10 extra global smashes help Rihanna sell more than Taylor in North America, Asia or Oceania?

 

Did it help her get a $200M+ tour? Taylor has 3

Rihanna sold more singles than Taylor in North America + has obliterated her on the Hot 100. It’s just that her album sales were so GLOBALLY DISTRIBUTED, unlike a certain someone moving 70% of her albums the USA. Imagine selling 55M albums and 40M of them were sold in the USA. LOCAL 

The difference in Oceania isn’t even massive enough to be a point for discussion. Stop grasping at straws!

 

She may not have had a 200M tour yet (i’m pretty sure Rihanna’s next tour is going to be massive, given her massive superbowl), but she has toured and sold out venues in countries where it took your fave 2 decades and 13 albums to finally make noise..

 

9 minutes ago, Raspberries said:

We've been over this and you have been corrected. Taylor is the one who gave Rihanna that hit seeing as she's the one who actually created the song. A foreign concept to Rihanna fans, I know

 

And wasn't that same song bigger than any ANTI single in Europe  

Taylor could have kept that song to herself but Calvin wanted a GLOBAL SMASH, a concept foreign to your fave. He had no option but to approach Rihanna to do chaRIHty for your fave. 

 

 

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[Blue Rose]

1. Beyoncé

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—— the bottom of the ocean—-

2. Taylor

3. Rihanna

4. Adele

——-  the core of the Earth—-

5. Gaga

[Power love]

Interesting

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3 minutes ago, airplane said:

Rihanna sold more singles than Taylor in North America + has obliterated her on the Hot 100. It’s just that her album sales were so GLOBALLY DISTRIBUTED, unlike a certain someone moving 70% of her albums the USA. Imagine selling 55M albums and 40M of them were sold in the USA. LOCAL 

The difference in Oceania isn’t even massive enough to be a point for discussion. Stop grasping at straws!

 

She may not have had a 200M tour yet (i’m pretty sure Rihanna’s next tour is going to be massive, given her massive superbowl), but she has toured and sold out venues in countries where it took your fave 2 decades and 13 albums to finally make noise..

 

Taylor could have kept that song to herself but Calvin wanted a GLOBAL SMASH, a concept foreign to your fave. He had no option but to approach Rihanna to do chaRIHty for your fave. 

 

 

Yes, Rihanna has sold more singles. She is a singles artist. But that's what happens when you release 30 singles in 4 years like Rihanna did. Despite this, Taylor is only a few spots behind her on the All Time Hot 100 artists chart  She's doing this while being #3 on the Overall All Time Artists chart (behind The Beatles and The Rolling Stones) and the #1 female on the All Time BB200 Artists chart

 

The difference in Oceania is massive, though. What are you talking about? Taylor has sold more than 2x more albums than Rihanna there

 

It took Taylor 15 years to book giant stadiums in some countries, sure. But why couldn't Rihanna book those stadiums on her last tour despite her "giant worldwide smashes?" Why was she playing to half full venues on every continent the ANTI Tour went to? Could it be that, like I stated earlier, nobody wants to pay more than $1.29 for anything that has to do with Rihanna music? For fucks sake, she had a tour that did 96 dates and it still only managed to gross $140 million. For comparison, The 1989 World Tour had 85 dates and grossed $110 million more

 

Calvin couldn't keep the song, seeing as he did not write it. Taylor wrote the song and they decided to give it to Rihanna. They decided she needed a real global smash (that is once again dance pop) since they realized the entire world dropped her during the ANTI era

[#ADOU]

53 minutes ago, Raspberries said:

Love Story was not bigger than WFL initially, but it is more remembered.

I have to be alucinating  

[#ADOU]

9 minutes ago, Raspberries said:

Calvin couldn't keep the song, seeing as he did not write it. Taylor wrote the song and they decided to give it to Rihanna. They decided she needed a real global smash (that is once again dance pop) since they realized the entire world dropped her during the ANTI era

Work (ANTI) is literally bigger than any Taylor song released in the last 5 years. What are you talking about?

 

Rihanna is a risk taker. She was daring enough to release an album as exploratory as ANTI and it still sold 12M SPS. The riskiest thing Taylor has ever done is release a pop album 

 

And since when does Rihanna need a global smash? Stop projecting your insecurities  

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A Drake-assisted (who was coming off of Hotline Bling) lead single being a risk  I've seen it all

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23 minutes ago, Raspberries said:

It took Taylor 15 years to book giant stadiums in some countries, sure. But why couldn't Rihanna book those stadiums on her last tour despite her "giant worldwide smashes?" Why was she playing to half full venues on every continent the ANTI Tour went to? Could it be that, like I stated earlier, nobody wants to pay more than $1.29 for anything that has to do with Rihanna music?

Taylor moved 72% of her albums in the USA… which is why she’s so high on the 200 chart.

 

 

Except she did and sold out several of them as. There was clearly a difference in the average ticket prices for both tours and Taylor has commonly leeached off her fans to maximise her tour gross so it’s understandable  Like all you have to do is look up dynamic pricing on twitter and it’s people lashing your fave. Again, Rihanna sold out stadiums in countries on the above mentioned tours where Taylor is finally stepping in after 18 years. That’s excluding countries in Oceania and Asia, Africa

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For fucks sake, she had a tour that did 96 dates and it still only managed to gross $140 million. For comparison, The 1989 World Tour had 85 dates and grossed $110 million more

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Just now, airplane said:

Taylor moved 72% of her albums in the USA… which is why she’s so high on the 200 chart.

 

 

Except she did and sold out several of them as. There was clearly a difference in the average ticket prices for both tours and Taylor has commonly leeached off her fans to maximise her tour gross so it’s understandable  Like all you have to do is look up dynamic pricing on twitter and it’s people lashing your fave. Again, Rihanna sold out stadiums in countries on the above mentioned tours where Taylor is finally stepping in after 18 years. That’s excluding countries in Oceania and Asia

And that 72% is more than 100% of Rihanna's album sales on the entire planet  

 

The Eras Tour had no dynamic pricing  Why do you insist on being incorrect about everything? Taylor is selling out more stadiums on The Eras Tour than Rihanna has on all of her tours combined. It's no wonder the tour is set to outgross Rihanna's entire touring career 3x over 

[#ADOU]

1 minute ago, Raspberries said:

A Drake-assisted lead single being a risk  I've seen it all

In 2016 Drake had two #1s and both were Rihanna songs 

 

And yes, Work is riskier than Taylor's entire career. An embarrassment 

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1 minute ago, #ADOU said:

In 2016 Drake had two #1s and both were Rihanna songs 

 

And yes, Work is riskier than Taylor's entire career. An embarrassment 

Drake was coming off of Hotline Bling  Rihanna was coming off of American Oxygen and ***** Better Have My Money. Who needed who more?

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5 minutes ago, Raspberries said:

The Eras Tour had no dynamic pricing  Why do you insist on being incorrect about everything? 

 

You’ve clearly lost your ability to read since you’ve been camping in here for the past 30 hours. All of that was just a quick twitter search away 

 

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And that 72% is more than 100% of Rihanna's album sales on the entire planet  

The Morgan Wallen of her generation.

 

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It's no wonder the tour is set to outgross Rihanna's entire touring career 3x over 

Congratulations. The leech won 

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1 minute ago, airplane said:

 

You’ve clearly lost your ability to read since you’ve been camping in here for the past 30 hours. All of that was just a quick twitter search away 

Those people were wrong babe. She did not have dynamic pricing. She had VIP packs. The pricing of those tickets did not fluctuate. Not that it matters if she did or didn't. It still would have been 100% sold out and outgrossed Rihanna's entire touring career 3 times over  

[#ADOU]

2 minutes ago, Raspberries said:

Drake was coming off of Hotline Bling  Rihanna was coming off of American Oxygen and ***** Better Have My Money. Who needed who more?

Rihanna had songs 10 times bigger than Hotline Bling  She had 13 #1s before Work. Drake had one What's My Name. 

 

Rihanna literally launched Drake's hot 100 career (just like she gave Taylor her most global hit ) and Drake himself would agree. 

 

 

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Why is Rihanna being compared to Taylor? She is on hiatus, while the other has released like 7 albums since Rihanna’s last. Is it shocking that Tay is doing better when she is active? 

 

I’m not even Rihanna fan but if she kept releasing yearly, she would be on top in terms of streaming. Her main down fall was touring, her lack of drive. She could’ve been huge at touring but her lack of vision killed that. Her shows should be a huge vibe like Coldplay’s, but that ANTi tour served no budget and mess. It was not a tour for someone at the top of their game. 

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Just now, #ADOU said:

Rihanna had songs 10 times bigger than Hotline Bling  She had 13 #1s before Work. Drake had one What's My Name. 

 

Rihanna literally launched Drake's hot 100 career (just like she gave Taylor her most global hit ) and Drake himself would agree. 

 

 

Yeah.. years before Work  she had back to back bombs prior to Work. No wonder ANTI took over half a decade to hit 10M SPS despite coming out in 2016

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6 minutes ago, Raspberries said:

Those people were wrong babe. She did not have dynamic pricing. She had VIP packs. The pricing of those tickets did not fluctuate. Not that it matters if she did or didn't. It still would have been 100% sold out and outgrossed Rihanna's entire touring career 3 times over  

VIP packs being half the stadiums in most places.  she has no shame at all. 

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8 minutes ago, airplane said:

 

You’ve clearly lost your ability to read since you’ve been camping in here for the past 30 hours. All of that was just a quick twitter search away 

Not the random tweets being a source when Taylor's own team confirmed that she did not use dynamic pricing: 

 

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3 minutes ago, Shelter said:

VIP packs being half the stadiums in most places.  she has no shame at all. 

And she's selling them all out. A foreign concept to the Navy

[#ADOU]

5 minutes ago, Raspberries said:

Yeah.. years before Work  she had back to back bombs prior to Work. No wonder ANTI took over half a decade to hit 10M SPS despite coming out in 2016

Rihanna was experimenting and trying to push boundaries, a concept swifties don't seem to be very familiar with  Taylor is 33 and still releasing kidz bop albums 

 

FourFiveSeconds and American Oxigen (and ANTI) are riskier than anything Taylor has ever released in her whole career.

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10 minutes ago, Raspberries said:

And she's selling them all out. A foreign concept to the Navy

Because she’s a leech and her poor fans have no choice but to buy into her greediness…

 

29 minutes ago, Raspberries said:

Taylor is selling out more stadiums on The Eras Tour than Rihanna has on all of her tours combined. 

Congratulations. It only took her 18 years and 13 albums to do so. Maybe she’ll finally sell out the venues Rihanna sold in Africa and the Middle East after putting out her 26th album…

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11 minutes ago, #ADOU said:

Rihanna was experimenting and trying to push boundaries, a concept swifties don't seem to be very familiar with  Taylor is 33 and still releasing kidz bop albums 

 

FourFiveSeconds and American Oxigen (and ANTI) are riskier than anything Taylor has ever released in her whole career.

Experimenting with songs like We Found Love, Where Have You Been, Diamonds, etc

 

folklore/evermore are a bigger risk than anything Rihanna has done, especially since Taylor actually made that album and didn't just show up and record some songs a record exec found in someone's deleted files

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8 minutes ago, airplane said:

Because she’s a leech and her poor fans have no choice but to buy into her greediness…

 

Congratulations. It only took her 18 years and 13 albums to do so. Maybe she’ll finally sell out the venues Rihanna sold in Africa and the Middle East after putting out her 26th album…

Rihanna has been around for as long as Taylor and has not played as many stadiums as her despite the "countless worldwide smashes". That sounds like her problem, not Taylor's 

[#ADOU]

1 minute ago, Raspberries said:

Experimenting with songs like We Found Love, Where Have You Been, Diamonds, etc

I was refering to the "back to back bombs prior to Work" you were talking about. 

 

Clearly you have run out of arguments 

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8 minutes ago, Raspberries said:

Rihanna has been around for as long as Taylor and has not played as many stadiums as her despite the "countless worldwide smashes". That sounds like her problem, not Taylor's 

Rihanna retired 8 years ago yet sold out stadiums worldwide in 2013 (8 years following her debut).

 

That being said, Taylor being irrelevant in Europe for 17 years sounds like her problem (since she’s been local to the US, like Morgan Wallen for the predominant part of her career), not Rihanna’s (who has been selling out stadiums there + Oceania+ Middle East+ in Africa, 8 years into her career)

 

In conclusion, Rihanna’s been there and done that. 

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