base talk Taylor, Gaga, Bey, Rih, Adele - biggest?

[sasashite]

On 8/8/2023 at 11:03 AM, Feanor said:

Are you sure you are not talking about Rihanna? Cause if Taylor's career was on a downward spiral with 'reputation' with all this…

 

 

… then I wonder how you'd describe the status of Rihanna's career the last time she was musically active with a new album:

 

 

Less successful than Twenty One Pilots and Adele with no new album? Dozens of unsold-out arenas across the US on your seventh (!) tour, despite affordable tickets, and a half-empty stadium in the UK?

 

And mind you, this all happened despite Rihanna having 2 albums more than Taylor at the time. So it doesn't look like releasing more albums automatically guarantees you immense success (as we also saw with Drake and Ed Sheeran lately). 

I- 

[Raspberries]

33 minutes ago, ImsoLOUD said:

…and still could’ve done more. Including TikTok promo, Easter Egg hunts and using a rent-a-rapper to boost streams. It just wasn’t that serious to her, as it was for the “Picture to Burn” songstress. 
 

 

Though I understand after the Lover era came and went without even one #1 single, the Twitter campaigns and prayer circles to get a multi week #1 with AH make sense. 

You're gonna put a rent-a-rapper on a supposed ballad that's a tribute to someone who died? This isn't S&M or Diamonds where she can just throw another famous person onto it for a quick week at #1  

 

Why are you bringing up Picture to Burn?  Are you trying to paint Taylor as a homophobe? Do you really want to get into a moral argument here?

 

 

Why are you talking about charting weeks? Midnights spent more weeks at #1 than Rihanna's entire catalog combined and doubled  Lover is also bigger than 6 of Rihanna's 9 eras  

[ImsoLOUD]

17 minutes ago, Raspberries said:

You're gonna put a rent-a-rapper on a supposed ballad that's a tribute to someone who died? This isn't S&M or Diamonds where she can just throw another famous person onto it for a quick week at #1  

 

Why are you bringing up Picture to Burn?  Are you trying to paint Taylor as a homophobe? Do you really want to get into a moral argument here?

 

 

Why are you talking about charting weeks? Midnights spent more weeks at #1 than Rihanna's entire catalog combined and doubled  Lover is also bigger than 6 of Rihanna's 9 eras  

Stranger things have happened 

 

 

“throwing another famous person on it for a quick week #1” 

 

oh whoops that didn’t go #1 tho… similar to all of Lover’s singles… 

 

 

and I never mentioned her being a homophobe but you did 

 

 

 

 

[Raspberries]

6 minutes ago, ImsoLOUD said:

Stranger things have happened 

 

 

“throwing another famous person on it for a quick week #1” 

 

oh whoops that didn’t go #1 tho… similar to all of Lover’s singles… 

 

 

and I never mentioned her being a homophobe but you did 

 

Karma (feat. Ice Spice) is the actual single release of Karma. It was sent to radio stations and is the version that got a music video, unlike the Kanye remix of Diamonds that was thrown together in 10 minutes and is the reason why it went #1 on the Hot 100  Or the god awful S&M Remix with Britney Spears where they got Britney to jump into a pool and record a verse underwater  

 

You literally did mention her being a homophobe because you posted a video with the title (Homophobic Version). How old are you?

Edited August 9, 2023 by Raspberries

[Click Clack]

now why am i seeing that rice cake picture in here  

 

mods, i think it’s time to LOCK this thread!

 

[KKW]

26 pages I- 

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[Kimbra]

26 pages... where are the jobs...

[Bears01]

Jesus Christ 

[wastedpotential]

1 hour ago, Raspberries said:

You're gonna put a rent-a-rapper on a supposed ballad that's a tribute to someone who died? This isn't S&M or Diamonds where she can just throw another famous person onto it for a quick week at #1  

 

Why are you bringing up Picture to Burn?  Are you trying to paint Taylor as a homophobe? Do you really want to get into a moral argument here?

 

 

Why are you talking about charting weeks? Midnights spent more weeks at #1 than Rihanna's entire catalog combined and doubled  Lover is also bigger than 6 of Rihanna's 9 eras  

LMAO I was running to find the exact same picture 

 

Rihanna fans have no ground to stand on when it comes to questionable pasts 

Edited August 9, 2023 by wastedpotential

[Taylor fanboy]

The way the thread was simple and plain bait you’d think ATRLers would ignore and yet here we are at page 26.

[Raspberries]

Just now, rihannafan said:

Diamonds was #1 way before Kanye (another song that is bigger than any Taylor song). Do you ever get tired of lying

 

it was also #1 for 4 weeks

 

Why do you insist on lying?

 

The Diamonds remix was released with 3 days left in the tracking week the first week it went #1  It was a last second push to get it to topple that Maroon 5 song that was ginormous on radio. The one that blocked Gangnam Style

[ImsoLOUD]

1 hour ago, Raspberries said:

Karma (feat. Ice Spice) is the actual single release of Karma. It was sent to radio stations and is the version that got a music video, unlike the Kanye remix of Diamonds that was thrown together in 10 minutes and is the reason why it went #1 on the Hot 100  Or the god awful S&M Remix with Britney Spears where they got Britney to jump into a pool and record a verse underwater  

 

You literally did mention her being a homophobe because you posted a video with the title (Homophobic Version). How old are you?

I didn't make the video, what in the world? The original song is homophobic so of course it will have that in the title so people will know which version they are listening to... isn't that how all of her songs are now? (Ex: Scooter's Version etc)

 

And okay @ an unknown Kanye remix being responsible for Diamonds success now  I'm glad he was able to save Only Girl, SOS, Rude Boy and Disturbi- oh wait?

 

 

I already tried to congratulate you/your fav on getting a multiweek #1 on the Hot 100 after a recent era of failed attempts 

 

Edited August 9, 2023 by ImsoLOUD

[rihannafan]

Just now, Raspberries said:

Why do you insist on lying?

 

The Diamonds remix was released with 3 days left in the tracking week the first week it went #1  It was a last second push to get it to topple that Maroon 5 song that was ginormous on radio. The one that blocked Gangnam Style

I deleted because I was wrong but you are wrong here too, the remix barely even helped it and he isn't credited. It's also not 1 week at #1 like you said.

 

Karma on the other hand, a panned remix

[Raspberries]

1 minute ago, ImsoLOUD said:

I didn't make the video, what in the world? The original song is homophobic so of course it will have that in the title that's not my fault

 

And okay @ an unknown Kanye remix being responsible for Diamonds success now  I'm glad he was able to save Only Girl, SOS, Rude Boy and Disturbi- oh wait?

 

 

I already tried to congratulate you/your fav on getting a multiweek #1 on the Hot 100 after a recent era of failed attempts 

 

Where did I say you made a video? Can you not read? I said you posted a video..which is literally in your reply that I quoted  

 

Why are you talking about multi week #1s on any chart? Rihanna has released EIGHT studio albums and has a total of 1 that has spent multiple weeks at #1. Eight studio albums and a total of 3 weeks at #1  Like I said before, no one gives a **** about her musically if they have to pay more than $1.29

[Raspberries]

3 minutes ago, rihannafan said:

I deleted because I was wrong but you are wrong here too, the remix barely even helped it and he isn't credited. It's also not 1 week at #1 like you said.

 

Karma on the other hand, a panned remix

It is not credited because it did not account for over 50% of the chart points. But that remix sold tens of thousands of copies - and is the reason Diamonds went #1 that week  

 

Karma is a panned remix (S&M teas). And yet it still spent longer in the top 10 than Lift Me Up. Thankfully, though, the parent album is more acclaimed than any Rihanna album ever recorded and is a ginormous smash  

Edited August 9, 2023 by Raspberries

[rihannafan]

4 minutes ago, Raspberries said:

It is not credited because it did not account for over 50% of the chart points. But that remix sold tens of thousands of copies - and is the reason Diamonds went #1 that week  

 

Karma is a panned remix (S&M teas). And yet it still spent longer in the top 10 than Lift Me Up. Thankfully, though, the parent album is more acclaimed than any Rihanna album ever recorded and is a ginormous smash  

That's week 1 for diamonds, what about week 2 and 3, and the other weeks where it was #2...

 

Diamonds is still bigger than any Taylor song every by a large margin.

 

And cool for Karma (one of the worst songs of all time), what about Carolina or whatever that song is called? 

[Miss Show Business]

Swifties mad that Adele outsold their fave with only two albums

[Raspberries]

6 minutes ago, rihannafan said:

That's week 1 for diamonds, what about week 2 and 3, and the other weeks where it was #2...

 

Diamonds is still bigger than any Taylor song every by a large margin.

 

And cool for Karma (one of the worst songs of all time), what about Carolina or whatever that song is called? 

Now, back to reality where Diamonds isn't even bigger than Love Story

 

Pure Sales

Love Story - 12.3M

Diamonds - 9.1M

 

Spotify

Love Story - 1.2B (+1.7M daily)

Diamonds - 1.1B (+1M daily)

 

YouTube

Diamonds - 2.2B

Love Story - 700M (since June 2009)

 

Why are you mentioning Carolina? Carolina did not receive a video, was not sent to radio and had 0 playlisting. Despite this, it peaked at #60. It's kind of like Sledgehammer by Rihanna, except you know, that song was sent to multiple radio formats, had a music video and did not manage to chart on the Hot 100 at all 

Edited August 9, 2023 by Raspberries

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[ImsoLOUD]

29 minutes ago, Raspberries said:

Where did I say you made a video? Can you not read? 

 

1 hour ago, Raspberries said:

You literally did mention her being a homophobe 

 

And what is $1.29 or even $19.99 to a billionaire Oscar nominee? 

 

[Raspberries]

4 minutes ago, ImsoLOUD said:

 

 

And what is $1.29 or even $19.99 to a billionaire Oscar nominee? 

 

How low is your IQ? I mentioned that because you literally posted a video that says "Picture to Burn (Homophobic Version)" in response to me mentioning that Rihanna has children with a man who has shot people, smacked women and committed grand larceny. And that was in your response to saying Taylor dated a racist for publicity. You were trying to drag her on a moral high ground despite the father of Rihanna's children being worse than Matty Healy ever has been  

 

What does her make up, panties, thongs, plants, clothes, kitchenware, furniture, sneakers, etc. have to do with people not wanting to spend more than $1.29 on her music? She was literally almost bankrupt because of her accountant and how little she was actually getting from her music profits. But that's what happens when you do not write, compose, produce or have ginormous tours

Edited August 9, 2023 by Raspberries

[rihannafan]

25 minutes ago, Raspberries said:

Now, back to reality where Diamonds isn't even bigger than Love Story

 

Pure Sales

Love Story - 12.3M

Diamonds - 9.1M

 

Spotify

Love Story - 1.2B (+1.7M daily)

Diamonds - 1.1B (+1M daily)

 

YouTube

Diamonds - 2.2B

Love Story - 700M (since June 2009)

 

Why are you mentioning Carolina? Carolina did not receive a video, was not sent to radio and had 0 playlisting. Despite this, it peaked at #60. It's kind of like Sledgehammer by Rihanna, except you know, that song was sent to multiple radio formats, had a music video and did not manage to chart on the Hot 100 at all 

Gurl what? 

 

More than half of those 12M if true, are from the US. 

 

United world all time chart:

 

#187 

Diamonds - Rihanna
Island / Def Jam - 2012 - 8.242.000 points

 

N/A - Love story 

 

Diamonds

Chart (2012–2014)	Peak position
Australia (ARIA)[88]	6
Austria (Ö3 Austria Top 40)[83]	1
Belgium (Ultratop 50 Flanders)[149]	3
Belgium (Ultratop Flanders Urban)[149]	1
Belgium (Ultratop 50 Wallonia)[150]	3
Brazil (Billboard Brasil Hot 100)[151]	1
Brazil Hot Pop Songs[151]	1
Bulgaria (Airplay Top 5)[152]	1
Canada (Canadian Hot 100)[65]	1
CIS (TopHit)[153]	1
Czech Republic (Rádio – Top 100)[154]	1
Czech Republic (Singles Digitál Top 100)[155]	96
Denmark (Tracklisten)[81]	1
Europe (Billboard Euro Digital Songs)[156]	1
Finland (Suomen virallinen lista)[84]	1
France (SNEP)[76]	1
Germany (Official German Charts)[77]	1
Greece (IFPI)[157]	1
Hungary (Rádiós Top 40)[158]	7
Hungary (Single Top 40)[159]	9
Ireland (IRMA)[160]	2
Israel (Media Forest)[161]	1
Italy (FIMI)[162]	3
Japan (Japan Hot 100)[163]	24
Luxembourg (Billboard)[164]	1
Mexico (Billboard)[165]	2
Mexico (Monitor Latino)[166]	6
Netherlands (Dutch Top 40)[167]	3
Netherlands (Single Top 100)[168]	4
New Zealand (Recorded Music NZ)[86]	2
Norway (VG-lista)[79]	1
Poland (Polish Airplay Top 100)[169]	3
Portugal (AFP)[170]	1
Romania (Airplay 100)[171]	1
Romania (Romanian Radio Airplay)[172]	1
Romania (Romania TV Airplay)[173]	1
Russia Airplay (TopHit)[174]	1
Russia (Billboard Hot 50 Airplay)[175]	1
Scotland (OCC)[176]	1
Slovakia (IFPI)[177]	1
Slovakia (Singles Digitál Top 100)[178]	95
Slovenia (SloTop50)[179]	30
South Korea (Circle)[180]	3
Spain (PROMUSICAE)[181]	2
Sweden (Sverigetopplistan)[182]	2
Switzerland (Schweizer Hitparade)[82]	1
UK Singles (OCC)[183]	1
UK Hip Hop/R&B (OCC)[184]	1
Ukraine Airplay (TopHit)[185]	4
US Billboard Hot 100[186]	1

+ Venezuela at #3

 

Love story

 

Chart (2008–2009)	Peak position
Australia (ARIA)[68]	1
Austria (Ö3 Austria Top 40)[146]	30
Belgium (Ultratip Bubbling Under Flanders)[147]	4
Belgium (Ultratop 50 Wallonia)[148]	39
Canada (Canadian Hot 100)[74]	4
Canada AC (Billboard)[149]	1
Canada CHR/Top 40 (Billboard)[150]	4
Canada Country (Billboard)[151]	1
Canada Hot AC (Billboard)[152]	3
CIS (TopHit)[153]	180
Czech Republic (Rádio Top 100 Oficiální)[77]	4
Denmark (Tracklisten)[154]	16
European Hot 100 Singles (Billboard)[76]	10
Euro Digital Song Sales (Billboard)[155]	5
Finland Download (Latauslista)[156]	17
France (SNEP)[157]	14
Germany (Official German Charts)[158]	22
Hungary (Single Top 40)[78]	6
Ireland (IRMA)[72]	3
Japan (Japan Hot 100)[70]	3
Mexico Ingles Airplay (Billboard)[159]	6
Netherlands (Single Top 100)[160]	13
New Zealand (Recorded Music NZ)[73]	3
Norway (VG-lista)[79]	7
Scotland (OCC)[75]	5
Slovakia (Rádio Top 100)[161]	13
Spain (PROMUSICAE)[162]	47
Sweden (Sverigetopplistan)[80]	10
Switzerland (Schweizer Hitparade)[163]	50
UK Singles (OCC)[71]	2
US Billboard Hot 100[57]	4

Edited August 9, 2023 by rihannafan

[Raspberries]

1 minute ago, rihannafan said:

Gurl what? 

 

More than those 12M if true, are from the US. 

 

United world all time chart:

 

#187 

Diamonds - Rihanna
Island / Def Jam - 2012 - 8.242.000 points

 

N/A - Love story 

 

Diamonds

Chart (2012–2014)	Peak position
Australia (ARIA)[88]	6
Austria (Ö3 Austria Top 40)[83]	1
Belgium (Ultratop 50 Flanders)[149]	3
Belgium (Ultratop Flanders Urban)[149]	1
Belgium (Ultratop 50 Wallonia)[150]	3
Brazil (Billboard Brasil Hot 100)[151]	1
Brazil Hot Pop Songs[151]	1
Bulgaria (Airplay Top 5)[152]	1
Canada (Canadian Hot 100)[65]	1
CIS (TopHit)[153]	1
Czech Republic (Rádio – Top 100)[154]	1
Czech Republic (Singles Digitál Top 100)[155]	96
Denmark (Tracklisten)[81]	1
Europe (Billboard Euro Digital Songs)[156]	1
Finland (Suomen virallinen lista)[84]	1
France (SNEP)[76]	1
Germany (Official German Charts)[77]	1
Greece (IFPI)[157]	1
Hungary (Rádiós Top 40)[158]	7
Hungary (Single Top 40)[159]	9
Ireland (IRMA)[160]	2
Israel (Media Forest)[161]	1
Italy (FIMI)[162]	3
Japan (Japan Hot 100)[163]	24
Luxembourg (Billboard)[164]	1
Mexico (Billboard)[165]	2
Mexico (Monitor Latino)[166]	6
Netherlands (Dutch Top 40)[167]	3
Netherlands (Single Top 100)[168]	4
New Zealand (Recorded Music NZ)[86]	2
Norway (VG-lista)[79]	1
Poland (Polish Airplay Top 100)[169]	3
Portugal (AFP)[170]	1
Romania (Airplay 100)[171]	1
Romania (Romanian Radio Airplay)[172]	1
Romania (Romania TV Airplay)[173]	1
Russia Airplay (TopHit)[174]	1
Russia (Billboard Hot 50 Airplay)[175]	1
Scotland (OCC)[176]	1
Slovakia (IFPI)[177]	1
Slovakia (Singles Digitál Top 100)[178]	95
Slovenia (SloTop50)[179]	30
South Korea (Circle)[180]	3
Spain (PROMUSICAE)[181]	2
Sweden (Sverigetopplistan)[182]	2
Switzerland (Schweizer Hitparade)[82]	1
UK Singles (OCC)[183]	1
UK Hip Hop/R&B (OCC)[184]	1
Ukraine Airplay (TopHit)[185]	4
US Billboard Hot 100[186]	1

+ Venezuela at #3

 

Love story

 

Chart (2008–2009)	Peak position
Australia (ARIA)[68]	1
Austria (Ö3 Austria Top 40)[146]	30
Belgium (Ultratip Bubbling Under Flanders)[147]	4
Belgium (Ultratop 50 Wallonia)[148]	39
Canada (Canadian Hot 100)[74]	4
Canada AC (Billboard)[149]	1
Canada CHR/Top 40 (Billboard)[150]	4
Canada Country (Billboard)[151]	1
Canada Hot AC (Billboard)[152]	3
CIS (TopHit)[153]	180
Czech Republic (Rádio Top 100 Oficiální)[77]	4
Denmark (Tracklisten)[154]	16
European Hot 100 Singles (Billboard)[76]	10
Euro Digital Song Sales (Billboard)[155]	5
Finland Download (Latauslista)[156]	17
France (SNEP)[157]	14
Germany (Official German Charts)[158]	22
Hungary (Single Top 40)[78]	6
Ireland (IRMA)[72]	3
Japan (Japan Hot 100)[70]	3
Mexico Ingles Airplay (Billboard)[159]	6
Netherlands (Single Top 100)[160]	13
New Zealand (Recorded Music NZ)[73]	3
Norway (VG-lista)[79]	7
Scotland (OCC)[75]	5
Slovakia (Rádio Top 100)[161]	13
Spain (PROMUSICAE)[162]	47
Sweden (Sverigetopplistan)[80]	10
Switzerland (Schweizer Hitparade)[163]	50
UK Singles (OCC)[71]	2
US Billboard Hot 100[57]	4

Using mediatraffic AGAIN  In this thread, your fanbase has discredited the IFPI and Chartmasters, but now multiple people have tried to use Mediatraffic for receipts  

 

Love Story has moved more units worldwide than Diamonds. Deal with it and move on

[rihannafan]

Just now, Raspberries said:

Using mediatraffic AGAIN  In this thread, your fanbase has discredited the IFPI and Chartmasters, but now multiple people have tried to use Mediatraffic for receipts  

 

Love Story has moved more units worldwide than Diamonds. Deal with it and move on

I also used weekly charts, which is the most objective thing you can use. Love story was bigger in the anglosphere where it sold most of its units. Diamonds is undeniably bigger globally, which is what those charts show.