poll Most successful 8th album: Anti x folklore x Music?

[airplane]

5 minutes ago, Axelios said:

She didn't move 5M/7M per album in a year given that her catalog wasn't updated by CM in mid 2022.

The automatic updates for streams were only added recently.

You can try and check the formula yourself and you'll find that these are most just Spotify streams.

In Folklore case there was the vinyl release for the live version in 2023.

In july 2022, folklore was at 6M…

[idkwiam]

Weeks charted across Europe (acharts):

 

Folklore vs Anti

 

Austria: 33 (still charting) vs 13

Belgium: 89 (still charting) vs 14

Denmark: 34 vs 92

Netherlands: 98 (still charting) vs 94

Finland: 5 vs 41

France: 11 (still charting) vs 86

Germany: 16 (still charting) vs 8

Ireland: 153 (still charting) vs 65

Italy: 11 (still charting) vs 32

Norway: 22 (still charting) vs 80

Poland: 4 vs 7

Portugal: 29 vs 4

Spain: 149 (still charting) vs 34

Sweden: 15 vs 70

Switzerland: 24 (still charting) vs 33

UK: 156 (still charting) vs 45

 

So ANTi has charted longer in Denmark, Finland, France, Italy, Norway, Poland, Sweden, and Switzerland.

 

Folklore has charted longer in Austria, Belgium, Netherlands, Germany, Ireland, Portugal, Spain, and the UK.

 

That’s eight countries each and Folklore is still charting in most of these countries so that’ll change soon, especially considering August is coming and Folklore is going to skyrocket next year when Taylor tours Europe.

 

And this is only Europe which is supposed to be Rihanna’s stronghold, Folklore absolutely demolishes ANTI across Asia considering Rihanna was never able to crack the Asian market.

 

Either way, this debate will be settled when Folklore outstreams ANTI in a couple of months since by then it will have more streams and more pure sales.

[Axelios]

Just now, airplane said:

In july 2022, folklore was at 6M…

Not updated. 

[lonnie]

1 minute ago, idkwiam said:

So if Rihanna's daily streams aren't that good compared to Taylor's

Well for one Taylor has released EIGHT albums since Rihanna last released two of those albums being released less than ten months ago so this is not the drag you think it is. Secondly, everyone knows Taylors streaming numbers are insane, how they translate to units with a credible breakdown for the albums is what's being questioned. 

[airplane]

3 minutes ago, idkwiam said:

Update them daily for everyone based on the albums daily streams*. 

So if Rihanna's daily streams aren't that good compared to Taylor's that's not a Chartmasters issue. 

At least Rihanna’s sales on chartmasters, bar some inflation, coincide with her worldwide certifications and seem realistic…

[Axelios]

3 minutes ago, lonnie said:

Well for one Taylor has released EIGHT albums since Rihanna last released two of those albums being released less than ten months ago so this is not the drag you think it is. Secondly, everyone knows Taylors streaming numbers are insane, how they translate to units with a credible breakdown for the albums is what's being questioned. 

The streaming update formula is directly based on the Spotify streams + estimation of other platforms (but mostly Spotify for Taylor). There's nothing "magical" about how CM add the daily Folklore units.

The album is doing almost 9M streams daily right now on Spotify that roughly gets you to 10k a day and 3,6M in a year without taking into account pure sales which Folklore is doing about 3k weekly in the US alone.

Edited July 26, 2023 by Axelios

[idkwiam]

2 minutes ago, lonnie said:

Well for one Taylor has released EIGHT albums since Rihanna last released two of those albums being released less than ten months ago so this is not the drag you think it is. Secondly, everyone knows Taylors streaming numbers are insane, how they translate to units with a credible breakdown for the albums is what's being questioned. 

Taylor is literally always accused her for her streams being fanbase carried. So tell me how her streams increase with every release? Mind you that other artists have released a lot the past few year and their recurrent streams haven't increased (Drake or Ed Sheeran just to name a few). Actually both recurrent streams decreased post their album releases.

[FolkLover1989]

3 minutes ago, Axelios said:

The streaming update formula is directly based on the Spotify streams + estimation of other platforms (but mostly Spotify for Taylor). There's nothing "magical" about how CM add the daily Folklore units.

The album is doing almost 9M streams daily right now on Spotify that roughly gets you to 10k a day and 3,6M in a year without taking into account pure sales which Folklore is doing about 3k weekly in the US alone.

Actually Folklore is doing 10k physicals in US  

@lonnie with only physicals she will move 500k in USA alone considering the special version for LPSS sold 100k

[Taemira]

ANTi > Music > folklore

[airplane]

5 minutes ago, idkwiam said:

Taylor is literally always accused her for her streams being fanbase carried. So tell me how her streams increase with every release? Mind you that other artists have released a lot the past few year and their recurrent streams haven't increased (Drake or Ed Sheeran just to name a few). Actually both recurrent streams decreased post their album releases.

Maybe because Ed and Drake don’t have a devoted fanbase and mostly have casual listeners who don’t gaslight themselves into liking everything they put out?

Edited July 26, 2023 by airplane

[lonnie]

3 minutes ago, Axelios said:

The streaming update formula is directly based on the Spotify streams + estimation of other platforms (but mostly Spotify for Taylor). There's nothing "magical" about how CM add the daily Folklore units.

The album is doing almost 9M streams daily right now on Spotify that roughly gets you to 10k a day and 3,6M in a year.

Okay, thank you because this explains the numbers on a level. How does the methodology work? Does he include streams from unsubscribed users as well? Or does he just gather all streams unfiltered from all venues and compile it into units sold? I think that could be cause for the disparity between his units reported vs the few certifications Folklore has worldwide

 

3 minutes ago, idkwiam said:

Taylor is literally always accused her for her streams being fanbase carried. So tell me how her streams increase with every release? Mind you that other artists have released a lot the past few year and their recurrent streams haven't increased (Drake or Ed Sheeran just to name a few). Actually both recurrent streams decreased post their album releases.

Okay, but do you honestly think Rihanna not outstreaming Taylor daily has nothing to do with the fact that Taylor has had far more output than Rih and been more musically active?

I've mentioned time and again that Taylor is a huge seller, but trying to drag Rih using daily streams like Rih hasn't been mostly inactive is dumb

[politeone]

26 minutes ago, Axelios said:

Taylor sales were not updated in 2022 before Midnights. The last update before that is Red TV release in 2021.

 

So does that mean that from 2021 in the last update, to now in 2023 Folklore sold over 5.5 million units? 

[Axelios]

4 minutes ago, airplane said:

Maybe because Ed and Drake don’t have a devoted fanbase and mostly have casual listeners who don’t gaslight themselves into liking everything they put out?

BTS past album streams plummet when they have a new release to focus on.

That never happens to Taylor.

[FolkLover1989]

6 minutes ago, politeone said:

So does that mean that from 2021 in the last update, to now in 2023 Folklore sold over 5.5 million units? 

Considering over 1m+ is in pure sale why not?

 

And Considering it also got a vinyl special edition for Records Day?

 

And Considering it's charting in many countries ww and gets a big boost every August 

 

And Considering it's moving over 25k+ units in US alone since March

 

You tell me. Do the math

[istan4badgalriri]

11 hours ago, FolkLover1989 said:

I checked official charts for you around the world 

 

And guess what Folklore won even without China and many Asian countries which you all don't count

okay and official charts would have you think Anti flopped in the UK, France and Belgium but it’s multi-platinum in the last 2 and reached 500k sales in the former

 

bc it had a botched release and bc lots of international countries didn’t count streaming in 2016/17

 

peaked at #6 in Poland, #87 on the YEC and… 3x platinum 💀

[airplane]

12 minutes ago, Axelios said:

BTS past album streams plummet when they have a new release to focus on.

That never happens to Taylor.

Taylor's fanbase has exponentially grown in the past 2 years due to tiktok and the re-records. It is obvious her overall album streams would spread evenly and not 'plummet'

[lonnie]

1 minute ago, FolkLover1989 said:

Considering over 1m+ is in pure sale why not?

 

And Considering it also got a vinyl special edition for Records Day?

 

And Considering it's charting in many countries ww and gets a big boost every August 

 

And Considering it's moving over 25k+ units in US alone since March

 

You tell me. Do the math

After removing 1M in pure units that would be 4.5M units. If that's the case, Folklore would need to have had 7 billion streams in between 2021 and 2023 (The album hasn't even reached that on Spotify since it was released let alone in the past two years). So the math doesn't add up.

[FolkLover1989]

4 minutes ago, lonnie said:

After removing 1M in pure units that would be 4.5M units. If that's the case, Folklore would need to have had 7 billion streams in between 2021 and 2023 (The album hasn't even reached that on Spotify since it was released let alone in the past two years). So the math doesn't add up.

And what about China units that Chartmasters started counting from 2022 after scaling them down?

 

Also nowadays China albums are sold as basically same price as that in many countries

Edited July 26, 2023 by FolkLover1989

[FolkLover1989]

Also that 1m pure sales was in USA alone @lonnie it has been selling considerably in other countries as well

 

also in China Physicals are sold as full price as in other countries 

 

That 1m sales also doesn't account for Folklore LPSS sales which charted separate on Billboard 

[lonnie]

2 minutes ago, FolkLover1989 said:

And what about China units that Chartmasters started counting from 2022 after scaling them down?

 

Also nowadays China albums are sold as basically same price as that in many countries

Oh so now we finally pivot to the China album units. How much did Folklore sell there, and how much of it was when an album cost less than $2?

 

And it's good that y'all pivot because the numbers are definitely not adding up. Without pure album units Folklore is supposed to have sold 8M purely off streams and she'd need 12 billion streams to do that from Folklore. So again, these numbers are very strange.

[FolkLover1989]

Just now, lonnie said:

Oh so now we finally pivot to the China album units. How much did Folklore sell there, and how much of it was when an album cost less than $2?

 

And it's good that y'all pivot because the numbers are definitely not adding up. Without pure album units Folklore is supposed to have sold 8M purely off streams and she'd need 12 billion streams to do that from Folklore. So again, these numbers are very strange.

Studio albums (EAS): 2,952,000

Other LPs (EAS): 1,143,000

Physical singles (units sold): 9,000

(30,000)

Digital singles (units sold): 82,000

(550,000)

Streams: 6,711,000

(07/24/23)

 

 

These is Folklore breakdown

Folklore sold 1.3m in Old China market

Folklore sold 100k in new Regulated China market

 

Both are included in other LP scaled down.

 

Folklore LPSS special version included in other LP

 

Physical singles of Cardigan and Lakes were sold as well. 

 

Streams are low as you can see for yourself. But again it's upto you now. Every number is there at chartmasters if you want to look 

[lonnie]

2 minutes ago, FolkLover1989 said:

Also that 1m pure sales was in USA alone @lonnie it has been selling considerably in other countries as well

 

also in China Physicals are sold as full price as in other countries 

 

That 1m sales also doesn't account for Folklore LPSS sales which charted separate on Billboard 

That's okay. So let's break this down:

Folklore has 5B streams on Spotify, that's 3.3M units, throw an extra 1M if you want from the other on-demand places (and I'm being very generous here since Folklore didn't cross 1B total on YouTube and AM isn't that big globally) and that's 4.3M units from streaming. Add 2.9M pure sold according to ChartMasters that's 7.2M. That means there's still a 5 million deficit, unless you're telling me Folklore sold 5 million units in China then the math still doesn't add up.

[FolkLover1989]

Just now, lonnie said:

That's okay. So let's break this down:

Folklore has 5B streams on Spotify, that's 3.3M units, throw an extra 1M if you want from the other on-demand places (and I'm being very generous here since Folklore didn't cross 1B total on YouTube and AM isn't that big globally) and that's 4.3M units from streaming. Add 2.9M pure sold according to ChartMasters that's 7.2M. That means there's still a 5 million deficit, unless you're telling me Folklore sold 5 million units in China then the math still doesn't add up.

Folklore is at 10.8m something 

Not 12m 

 

 

[FolkLover1989]

This is the formula for China

Again regulated as per the price they were sold. @lonnie

 

To offset bulk buying, Chinese downloads are weighted as per their price, at selling price / 50 * 1.5, which is roughly 0.6 for Taylor Swift‘s albums. Sales post-September 2021, when the market got regulated, are counted in full

Edited July 26, 2023 by FolkLover1989

[lonnie]

2 minutes ago, FolkLover1989 said:

Studio albums (EAS): 2,952,000

Other LPs (EAS): 1,143,000

Physical singles (units sold): 9,000

(30,000)

Digital singles (units sold): 82,000

(550,000)

Streams: 6,711,000

(07/24/23)

 

 

These is Folklore breakdown

Folklore sold 1.3m in Old China market

Folklore sold 100k in new Regulated China market

 

Both are included in other LP scaled down.

 

Folklore LPSS special version included in other LP

 

Physical singles of Cardigan and Lakes were sold as well. 

 

Streams are low as you can see for yourself. But again it's upto you now. Every number is there at chartmasters if you want to look 

Thank you. So Folklore singles are at a 400K total (according to the Taylor charts thread that was last updated on Friday), which would equate to 40K album units, no? Like I'm sorry but nothing is making sense of the millions worth in deficit.