poll Most successful 8th album: Anti x folklore x Music?

[Orsay]

Music > Anti >> folklore

[Cloröx]

5 hours ago, Klein said:

It sure didn't seem to bother you when Rihanna was the one on top 

 

 

OMG the clock 

[istan4badgalriri]

1 hour ago, Headlock said:

Not this post in there:

We have definitive confirmation from the Navy that Taylor’s frequent releases and their success only serve to illustrate her domination 

when you gotta deflect and resort to posts that are nearly as old as Rihanna’s last album 💀

 

y’all know folklore is the least successful album of the three in the poll and is only winning here bc swifties mass voted like Taylor is mass releasing albums, and that’s ok

[FolkLover1989]

4 hours ago, Chris said:

Yeah a 3 year old album released by a woman in her 30s with the benefit of streaming services and re-releases vs. an album released by a woman in her 40s on the verge of facing ageism with NO streaming support and soon to be lack of radio airplay.

 

Thanks for pointing it out!

I hope you are joking

 

Reaching 10m+ in streaming era is extremely hard

 

If this was so easy every album would be over 10m+

 

You all have really lost it 

[FolkLover1989]

3 minutes ago, istan4badgalriri said:

when you gotta deflect and resort to posts that are nearly as old as Rihanna’s last album 💀

 

y’all know folklore is the least successful album of the three in the poll and is only winning here bc swifties mass voted like Taylor is mass releasing albums, and that’s ok

I literally quoted you with official charts stats  around the world and you deflected that cause that told the reality of it all 

 

 

Like if Anti was so big , why was it not that big on official charts around the world

[FolkLover1989]

Even if you don't like Chartmasters 

 

(Although Chartmasters has been proven right again and again)

 

 

Folklore reached 10m+ in less than 3 yrs

Anti is at 10m+ in like 6yrs+

 

So idgi how objectively you can say Anti is bigger. Folklore will be at like 15m+ in 6 yrs 

[lonnie]

6 minutes ago, FolkLover1989 said:

I literally quoted you with official charts stats  around the world and you deflected that cause that told the reality of it all 

 

 

Like if Anti was so big , why was it not that big on official charts around the world

Because Rihanna has never been big first week? The same way Folklore had big first week numbers worldwide and still has two multi-platinum certs worldwide despite being out for three years. 

[lonnie]

2 minutes ago, FolkLover1989 said:

Folklore reached 10m+ in less than 3 yrs

And still has just two multi-platinum certs around the world. That's suspicious sorry

 

Like how on earth have you been able to push 10M units worldwide and have such stats

Edited July 26, 2023 by lonnie

[FolkLover1989]

2 minutes ago, lonnie said:

Because Rihanna has never been big first week? The same way Folklore had big first week numbers worldwide and still has two multi-platinum certs worldwide despite being out for three years. 

Oh then why is it moving over 1.5m+ units every year and you can just check official charts of country to check that?

 

UWC that counts only official charts around the world has those stats btw

[FolkLover1989]

11 hours ago, FolkLover1989 said:

Mediatraffic that only counts official charts around the world 

 

Anti  2016 : 1.46m

2017: NA

2018: NA

2019: NA

2020:NA

 

 

Folklore 2020: 3.18m

 2021 : 1.54m

 2022: 1.6m

 

@istan4badgalriri hope this helps. Ig it's just every metric and not just Swifties making things up

 

 

@lonnie these are units of Folklore and Anti every year just from official charts

 

nothing else has been added here

now you will say even these are fake.

 

These are year end Top 40 albums every year. 

[lonnie]

Just now, FolkLover1989 said:

Oh then why is it moving over 1.5m+ units every year and you can just check official charts of country to check that?

 

UWC that counts only official charts around the world has those stats btw

Good for Taylor, but that doesn't answer the question. Taylor is moving so much units with Folklore every year and the official certifications don't show that? UWC, and Chartmasters aren't more credible sources than the individual markets they get their stats from which is why I'm asking and mostly curious. How come those moved units don't reflect in the various tracking companies worldwide?

[lonnie]

Just now, FolkLover1989 said:

@lonnie these are units of Folklore and Anti every year just from official charts

 

nothing else has been added here

now you will say even these are fake.

 

These are year end Top 40 albums every year. 

Yes, Anti moved no units since 2016. That sounds like a very fair assessment from this methodology.

[FolkLover1989]

Btw these official charts don’t count Asia

 

So  Folklore would have even more official units @lonnie 

Folklore is regularly doing good on streaming and stable in charts all over the world

[FolkLover1989]

1 minute ago, lonnie said:

Good for Taylor, but that doesn't answer the question. Taylor is moving so much units with Folklore every year and the official certifications don't show that? UWC, and Chartmasters aren't more credible sources than the individual markets they get their stats from which is why I'm asking and mostly curious. How come those moved units don't reflect in the various tracking companies worldwide?

UWC gets stats directly from charts that you see every week

They don't add anything by themselves 

[ugo]

4 minutes ago, lonnie said:

And still has just two multi-platinum certs around the world. That's suspicious sorry

 

Like how on earth have you been able to push 10M units worldwide and have such stats

Maybe it's because it's not certified yet. Anti is 6 years old and folklore 2 years old  Certifications take time and don't happen in the first years of an album 

 

 

[FolkLover1989]

Just now, lonnie said:

Yes, Anti moved no units since 2016. That sounds like a very fair assessment from this methodology.

Top 40 albums every year

 

Pls read it again

[airplane]

1 hour ago, lonnie said:

To answer the question it's Music >>> Anti >>>> Folklore

While Folklore was a testament to Taylor's power it really didn't shift that much units outside the U.S. and has only two multi-platinum certs despite three years of tracking and no global hits unlike Music and Anti.

 

Music:

Argentina (CAPIF)[217]	2× Platinum	120,000^
Australia (ARIA)[218]	3× Platinum	210,000^
Austria (IFPI Austria)[219]	Platinum	50,000*
Belgium (BEA)[220]	3× Platinum	150,000*
Brazil (Pro-Música Brasil)[221]	Gold	100,000*
Canada (Music Canada)[222]	3× Platinum	300,000^
Chile[223]	Gold	15,000[223]
Czech Republic[224]	Platinum
Denmark (IFPI Danmark)[225]	2× Platinum	100,000^
Finland (Musiikkituottajat)[226]	Gold	32,515[226]
France (SNEP)[228]	2× Platinum	900,000[227]
Germany (BVMI)[229]	2× Platinum	600,000^
Hungary (MAHASZ)[230]	Gold
Hong Kong (IFPI Hong Kong)[224]	Platinum
Ireland (IRMA)[224]	Platinum	15,000^
Italy (FIMI)[224]	Platinum	250,000[231]
Japan (RIAJ)[232]	Platinum	200,000^
Mexico (AMPROFON)[233]	Gold	75,000^
Netherlands (NVPI)[234]	2× Platinum	160,000^
New Zealand (RMNZ)[235]	2× Platinum	30,000^
Norway	—	100,000[236]
Poland (ZPAV)[237]	Platinum	100,000*
Singapore (RIAS)[224]	Platinum
South Korea	—	21,528[238]
Spain (PROMUSICAE)[175]	2× Platinum	200,000^
Sweden (GLF)[240]	Platinum	100,000[239]
Switzerland (IFPI Switzerland)[241]	2× Platinum	100,000^
Taiwan (RIT)[224]	Platinum
Thailand[224]	Platinum
United Kingdom (BPI)[242]	5× Platinum	1,640,000[132]
United States (RIAA)[243]	3× Platinum	3,031,000[121][122]

 

 

Anti:

Australia (ARIA)[248]	Platinum	70,000‡
Austria (IFPI Austria)[249]	Platinum	15,000*
Belgium (BEA)[250]	2× Platinum	60,000‡
Canada (Music Canada)[251]	4× Platinum	320,000‡
Denmark (IFPI Danmark)[160]	4× Platinum	80,000‡
France (SNEP)[159]	2× Platinum	200,000‡
Germany (BVMI)[252]	Gold	100,000‡
Italy (FIMI)[253]	Gold	25,000‡
Mexico (AMPROFON)[254]	Platinum	60,000^
New Zealand (RMNZ)[255]	4× Platinum	60,000‡
Poland (ZPAV)[256]	3× Platinum	60,000‡
Singapore (RIAS)[257]	Gold	5,000*
Sweden (GLF)[258]	Gold	20,000‡
United Kingdom (BPI)[148]	Platinum	300,000‡
United States (RIAA)[144]	6× Platinum	6,000,000‡

 

Folklore:

Australia (ARIA)[355]	Platinum	70,000‡
Austria (IFPI Austria)[356]	Gold	7,500‡
Belgium (BEA)[357]	Gold	10,000‡
Denmark (IFPI Danmark)[358]	Platinum	20,000‡
Italy (FIMI)[359]	Gold	25,000‡
New Zealand (RMNZ)[360]	2× Platinum	30,000‡
Norway (IFPI Norway)[361]	Platinum	20,000*
Poland (ZPAV)[362]	Gold	10,000‡
Singapore (RIAS)[363]	Gold	5,000*
Spain (PROMUSICAE)[364]	Gold	20,000‡
United Kingdom (BPI)[365]	Platinum	300,000‡
United States (RIAA)[366]	2× Platinum	2,000,000‡

 

(And before the swifties start, yes we know that Folklore is undercertified in the U.S. (only))

 

Singles:

Music 

Music

#1 in 17 countries

Australia (ARIA)[60]	2× Platinum	140,000^
Belgium (BEA)[218]	Gold	25,000*
Denmark	—	8,178[219]
France (SNEP)[220]	Gold	250,000*
Germany (BVMI)[221]	Gold	250,000^
Japan	—	2,350[183]
Mexico	—	20,000[222]
Sweden (GLF)[223]	Platinum	30,000^
Switzerland (IFPI Switzerland)[224]	Gold	25,000^
United Kingdom (BPI)[66]	Gold	415,000[68]
United States (RIAA)[48]	Platinum	1,136,000[49]

 

Don't Tell Me

#1 in 2 countries

 

Australia (ARIA)[54]	Platinum	70,000^
France (SNEP)[140]	Gold	250,000*
United Kingdom (BPI)[58]	Silver	200,000‡
United States (RIAA)[50]	Gold	500,000^

 

What It Feels Like For A Girl

#1 in 1 country

Australia (ARIA)[68]	Gold	35,000^

 

Anti

Work:

#1 in 10 countries

Australia (ARIA)[158]	2× Platinum	140,000‡
Belgium (BEA)[159]	Platinum	20,000‡
Canada (Music Canada)[160]	9× Platinum	720,000‡
Denmark (IFPI Danmark)[161]	2× Platinum	180,000‡
France (SNEP)[162]	Diamond	233,333‡
Germany (BVMI)[163]	Platinum	400,000‡
Italy (FIMI)[164]	3× Platinum	150,000‡
New Zealand (RMNZ)[165]	2× Platinum	30,000*
Poland (ZPAV)[166]	3× Platinum	150,000‡
Portugal (AFP)[167]	Platinum	10,000‡
Spain (PROMUSICAE)[168]	2× Platinum	80,000‡
Sweden (GLF)[169]	4× Platinum	160,000‡
United Kingdom (BPI)[170]	3× Platinum	1,800,000‡
United States (RIAA)[171]	9× Platinum	9,000,000‡

 

Kiss It Better

Topped no country

 

Canada (Music Canada)[80]	2× Platinum	160,000‡
Denmark (IFPI Danmark)[81]	Gold	45,000‡
France (SNEP)[82]	Gold	100,000‡
New Zealand (RMNZ)[83]	Gold	7,500*
United Kingdom (BPI)[84]	Gold	400,000‡
United States (RIAA)[85]	3× Platinum	3,000,000‡

 

Needed Me:

Topped no country

Australia (ARIA)[98]	Platinum	70,000‡
Brazil (Pro-Música Brasil)[99]	2× Platinum	120,000‡
Canada (Music Canada)[100]	7× Platinum	560,000‡
Denmark (IFPI Danmark)[101]	Platinum	90,000‡
France (SNEP)[102]	Platinum	200,000‡
Germany (BVMI)[103]	Gold	200,000‡
Italy (FIMI)[104]	Platinum	50,000‡
New Zealand (RMNZ)[105]	Platinum	30,000‡
Poland (ZPAV)[106]	2× Platinum	100,000‡
Portugal (AFP)[107]	2× Platinum	20,000‡
Sweden (GLF)[108]	2× Platinum	80,000‡
United Kingdom (BPI)[109]	2× Platinum	1,200,000‡
United States (RIAA)[110]	9× Platinum	9,000,000‡

 

Folklore

Cardigan:

#1 in 2 countries

Canada (Music Canada)[135]	2× Platinum	160,000‡
Denmark (IFPI Danmark)[136]	Gold	45,000‡
New Zealand (RMNZ)[137]	Platinum	30,000‡
Norway (IFPI Norway)[138]	Gold	30,000‡
Poland (ZPAV)[139]	Gold	25,000‡
Portugal (AFP)[140]	Platinum	10,000‡
United Kingdom (BPI)[141]	Platinum	600,000‡
United States (RIAA)[142]	Platinum	1,000,000‡

 

Exile:

Topped no country

Canada (Music Canada)[94]	2× Platinum	160,000‡
Denmark (IFPI Danmark)[95]	Gold	45,000‡
Norway (IFPI Norway)[96]	Gold	30,000‡
Poland (ZPAV)[97]	Gold	25,000‡
United Kingdom (BPI)[98]	Gold	400,000‡
United States (RIAA)[99]	Platinum	1,000,000‡

 

Betty:

Topped no country

Canada (Music Canada)[51]	Gold	40,000‡
United Kingdom (BPI)[50]	Silver	200,000‡

 

I will give it to the swifties though, how they've managed to actually make Folklore seem like the biggest out of the three is a feat and go dragging this thread out as they've done in the process too

Omg the RIHceipts. Poor Taylor fans and their inflated chartmaster stats with zero credibility 

 

[FolkLover1989]

2 minutes ago, lonnie said:

Good for Taylor, but that doesn't answer the question. Taylor is moving so much units with Folklore every year and the official certifications don't show that? UWC, and Chartmasters aren't more credible sources than the individual markets they get their stats from which is why I'm asking and mostly curious. How come those moved units don't reflect in the various tracking companies worldwide?

Taylor released 2 studio albums and 3 re recordings after that

 

The countries which have automatic Certifications,  Folklore will be soon above Anti

 

Folklore is going 2x plat in UK this year. It's near 5x plat in US as BB reports every week

 

[lonnie]

Just now, ugo said:

Maybe it's because it's not certified yet. Anti is 6 years old and folklore 2 years old  Certifications take time and don't happen in the first years of an album 

 

 

Most of those markets certify automatically nowadays though

3 minutes ago, FolkLover1989 said:

UWC gets stats directly from charts that you see every week

They don't add anything by themselves 

I'm old enough to remember UWC's charts being questioned just like any other non-official source lol

[idkwiam]

All three albums are the epitome of longevity but Folklore will definitely end up bigger. Its longevity is amazing considering it initially didn't have a bonafide hit to drive the sales / streams. 

[lonnie]

3 minutes ago, FolkLover1989 said:

Taylor released 2 studio albums and 3 re recordings after that

 

The countries which have automatic Certifications,  Folklore will be soon above Anti

 

Folklore is going 2x plat in UK this year. It's near 5x plat in US as BB reports every week

 

So the places that automatically certify held up certifying Folklore because Taylor released more music?

 

And if Folklore hasn't even crossed 5M in the U.S. (aka Taylor's biggest market by far) how on earth has it already crossed 10M worldwide?

[lonnie]

So Folklore hasn't crossed 5M in a market where Taylor moves over 70% of her units, has only been certified multi-platinum in two countries, but has somehow already crossed 10M worldwide? Like how is that math adding up, where are over 5M units coming from?

 

 

Edited July 26, 2023 by lonnie

[SLIME]

I don't know but Impressive Instant is one of the best songs ever.

[airplane]

Just now, lonnie said:

So Folklore hasn't crossed 5M in a market where Taylor moves over 70% of her, has only been certified multi-platinum in two countries, but has somehow has already crossed 10M worldwide? Like how is that math adding up, where are over 5M units coming from?

 

 

chartmasters said it did so must be true 

[FolkLover1989]

3 minutes ago, lonnie said:

So Folklore hasn't crossed 5M in a market where Taylor moves over 70% of her units, has only been certified multi-platinum in two countries, but has somehow already crossed 10M worldwide? Like how is that math adding up, where are over 5M units coming from?

 

 

Taylor daily streams are literally 30-35% from USA 

where are you getting this 70% from , that was very early in her career not now

lol