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Most successful 8th album: Anti x folklore x Music?

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Which is bigger?  

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    • Rihanna - Anti
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    • Taylor Swift - folklore
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    • Madonna - Music
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WildHeart Grand Master

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9 hours ago, lonnie said:

And if Folklore hasn't even crossed 5M in the U.S. (aka Taylor's biggest market by far) how on earth has it already crossed 10M worldwide?

"even 5M" 

Only 2 Rihanna albums out of 8 reached that with highest one standing at 6M so i wouldn't use that for global standarts if i was you :rip:

 

9 hours ago, lonnie said:

So Folklore hasn't crossed 5M in a market where Taylor moves over 70% of her units, 

1989 

Global Sales - 26.9M

US Sales - 11M

US to WW ratio - 40%

 

Reputation 

Global Sales - 13.1M 

US Sales - 6M

US to WW ratio - 45%

 

Lover 

Global Sales - 12.9M

US Sales - 5.5M

US to WW ratio - 42%

 

Folklore 

Global Sales - 10.8M

US Sales - 4.7M

US to WW ratio - 43%

 

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ANTI

Global Sales - 10.3M

US Sales - 5.5M

US to WW ratio - 52%

 

In this case it is more questionable for Anti since it is more US-centered than any Taylor album in the last 10 years 

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WildHeart Grand Master

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1 hour ago, #ADOU said:

Since when 6-7x Platinum not much? :priceless:

 

Acting like some of Taylor's albums aren't frontloaded bombs revived by multiple releases and payola'd streams..

Weeks on the BB200 


Evermore - 136 weeks (Taylor's 9th longest charting album) 

 

Good Girl Gone Bad - 113 weeks
Loud - 78 weeks
Unapologetic - 77 weeks
Talk That Talk - 57 weeks
Rated R - 45 weeks
A Girl Like Me - 45 weeks
Music Of The Sun - 35 weeks

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3 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said:

"even 5M" 

Only 2 Rihanna albums out of 8 reached that with highest one standing at 6M so i wouldn't use that for global standarts if i was you :rip:

 

1989 

Global Sales - 26.9M

US Sales - 11M

US to WW ratio - 40%

 

Reputation 

Global Sales - 13.1M 

US Sales - 6M

US to WW ratio - 45%

 

Lover 

Global Sales - 12.9M

US Sales - 5.5M

US to WW ratio - 42%

 

Folklore 

Global Sales - 10.8M

US Sales - 4.7M

US to WW ratio - 43%

 

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ANTI

Global Sales - 10.3M

US Sales - 6M

US to WW ratio - 53%

 

In this case it is more questionable for Anti since it is more US-centered than any Taylor album in the last 10 years 

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idk where that 10.3m coming from. Anti had sold 11m units worldwide as of January 2021 according to Roc Nation/Universal (so... actual official figures)

 

and considering the album has moved 1m-1.5m units in the US alone since 2021... it's likely to be at 13m worldwide by now, at least.

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10 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said:

Weeks on the BB200 


Evermore - 136 weeks (Taylor's 9th longest charting album) 

 

Good Girl Gone Bad - 113 weeks
Loud - 78 weeks
Unapologetic - 77 weeks
Talk That Talk - 57 weeks
Rated R - 45 weeks
A Girl Like Me - 45 weeks
Music Of The Sun - 35 weeks

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But fake streams? (evermore’s playlisting is next to 0) But multiple formats???? (It has 1 CD and 2 vinyl - Standard and Target exclusive) :bloo:

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20 minutes ago, istan4badgalriri said:

 

the lies y'all have to come up with... it's getting embarrassing ladies

 

Pure album sales, according to y'all favorite source chartmasters.org

 

Adele - 63.4m

Taylor - 56.5m

Beyoncé - 34.4m

Rihanna - 33.5m

Lady Gaga - 31.2m

Katy Perry - 16m

 

are the "abysmal album sales compared to any of her peers" in the room with us right now ?

 

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So considering pure sales pre-streaming era 

 

Adele - 20M average (highest at 30M)

Taylor - 8.2M average (highest at 10.6M) 

Beyonce - 6.2M average (highest at 10.2M)

Gaga - 6.1M average (highest at 13M)

Katy - 5M average (highest at 6.9M)

Rihanna - 4.5M average (highest at 9.1M)

 

I fear they are in the room with us right now 

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9 hours ago, ugo said:

Maybe it's because it's not certified yet. Anti is 6 years old and folklore 2 years old :rip: Certifications take time and don't happen in the first years of an album 

 

 

Rihanna 2 weeks after ANTI was leaked:

 

 

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OT: It's funny to see certain Swifites that act like they are above trolling in here..... trolling. :ahh: 

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15 minutes ago, ImsoLOUD said:

Rihanna 2 weeks after ANTI was leaked:

 

 

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OT: It's funny to see certain Swifites that act like they are above trolling in here..... trolling. :ahh: 

Noone cares about your Samsung bought certifications

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10 hours ago, FolkLover1989 said:

Btw these official charts don’t count Asia

 

So  Folklore would have even more official units @lonnie 

 

Nice to read that!

You know, because 23 years ago there was even less markets around the world, so the access to Music (album) was even harder.

 

So Music would have even MORE official units nowadays accessibility :clap3:

 

it was harder in the pass to access to music, and yet Madonna OUTSOLD both girls. Wooow

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42 minutes ago, istan4badgalriri said:

 

the lies y'all have to come up with... it's getting embarrassing ladies

 

Pure album sales, according to y'all favorite source chartmasters.org

 

Adele - 63.4m

Taylor - 56.5m

Beyoncé - 34.4m

Rihanna - 33.5m

Lady Gaga - 31.2m

Katy Perry - 16m

 

are the "abysmal album sales compared to any of her peers" in the room with us right now ?

 

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I said back in during that time. Rihanna didn't have any gigantic sellers like her contemporaries despite her racking up hit after hit after hit (her best selling digital single is a feature also)

 

Isnt her best selling album in the US an album from 2007 that had a remix album and a re-release? And it only sold ~3M pure :deadbanana4:

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21 minutes ago, ImsoLOUD said:

Rihanna 2 weeks after ANTI was leaked:

 

 

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OT: It's funny to see certain Swifites that act like they are above trolling in here..... trolling. :ahh: 

Does this include the $0.99 copies of Rated R and the FREE 1 million copies of ANTI :bibliahh:

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Pure sales: 

- ANTI : 1.458M

- folklore : 4.095M

 

Youtube views:

- ANTI : 2.712B = 1.8M units (1500 streams = 1 album unit ratio)

- folklore : 780M = 520k units

 

Spotify streams:

- ANTI : 6.036B = 4M units (1500 streams = 1 album unit ratio)

- folklore : 5.343B = 3.5M units

 

Single sales:

- ANTI : 8.75M = 875k units (10 sales = 1 album unit ratio)

- folklore : 580k = 58k units

 

Total:

ANTI - 8.133M

folklore - 8.173M

 

These partial numbers for ANTI and folklore are basically equal currently (which is what I said earlier in this thread). But considering their current trajectory + the fact that ANTI is 4.5 years older, it's pretty clear that folklore is the bigger album. 

 

For now Music is bigger than both. Time will tell if folklore and/or ANTI can surpass it. So far they are still about 3M behind so it's not going to happen anytime soon. 

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25 minutes ago, ImsoLOUD said:

Rihanna 2 weeks after ANTI was leaked:

 

 

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OT: It's funny to see certain Swifites that act like they are above trolling in here..... trolling. :ahh: 

Girl it's a common knowledge in ATRL that those are contributed by Samsung deal, where have you been :bibliahh:

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Music, but folklore is also huge too (the way taylor keeps getting old songs to be huge hits, I wouldn't be surprised if folklore had another hit up its sleeve)

 

Anti aged like milk and is pretty forgotten 

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Another reason why summing certifications and comparing them is stupid is that conversion rules of streaming/singles sale are not consistent accross countries. That's why CM unified formula is much better.

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1 minute ago, QueenB said:

Anti aged like milk and is pretty forgotten 

Troll

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12 minutes ago, Raspberries said:

Does this include the $0.99 copies of Rated R and the FREE 1 million copies of ANTI :bibliahh:

Does Taylor’s CSPC on chartmasters include her 39 cent single sales for Willow and Red being given in Pizza Boxes?FNTKCr4X0AAIySg?format=jpg&name=large

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4 minutes ago, airplane said:

Does Taylor’s CSPC on chartmasters include her 39 cent single sales for Willow?

You can remove those 2k units from her total if you want to. 

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10 minutes ago, airplane said:

Does Taylor’s CSPC on chartmasters include her 39 cent single sales for Willow and Red being given in Pizza Boxes?FNTKCr4X0AAIySg?format=jpg&name=large

Red wasn't given. It was sold at full price.

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11 minutes ago, airplane said:

Does Taylor’s CSPC on chartmasters include her 39 cent single sales for Willow and Red being given in Pizza Boxes?FNTKCr4X0AAIySg?format=jpg&name=large

The Papa John's thing wasn't free albums, they were being sold there like some albums used to be sold at Starbucks. Are you really going to compare a 0.39 single (mind that for a single to count as 1 album sales it needs 10-15 purchases) to a 0.99 ALBUM? :deadbanana4:

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9 minutes ago, airplane said:

Red being given in Pizza Boxes?FNTKCr4X0AAIySg?format=jpg&name=large

You mean the 8k CDs sold from that deal at $22? 

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1 hour ago, Artistofthedecade said:

"even 5M" 

Only 2 Rihanna albums out of 8 reached that with highest one standing at 6M so i wouldn't use that for global standarts if i was you :rip:

 

1989 

Global Sales - 26.9M

US Sales - 11M

US to WW ratio - 40%

 

Reputation 

Global Sales - 13.1M 

US Sales - 6M

US to WW ratio - 45%

 

Lover 

Global Sales - 12.9M

US Sales - 5.5M

US to WW ratio - 42%

 

Folklore 

Global Sales - 10.8M

US Sales - 4.7M

US to WW ratio - 43%

 

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ANTI

Global Sales - 10.3M

US Sales - 5.5M

US to WW ratio - 52%

 

In this case it is more questionable for Anti since it is more US-centered than any Taylor album in the last 10 years 

giphy.gif?cid=ecf05e47lzircawk7mby9ynojk

 

1 hour ago, Artistofthedecade said:

Weeks on the BB200 


Evermore - 136 weeks (Taylor's 9th longest charting album) 

 

Good Girl Gone Bad - 113 weeks
Loud - 78 weeks
Unapologetic - 77 weeks
Talk That Talk - 57 weeks
Rated R - 45 weeks
A Girl Like Me - 45 weeks
Music Of The Sun - 35 weeks

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The endless clocking in this thread from page 1 :deadbanana2:

 

OT: folklore >>> Music >>>>>>>>>>>> ANTI

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7 minutes ago, Axelios said:

Red wasn't given. It was sold at full price.

They would deliver it to your doorstep for free if you bought a pizza worth at least $13. A free giveaway basically :rip:

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4 minutes ago, Klein said:

You mean the 8k CDs sold from that deal at $22? 

Technically $12 (pre-tax) as the pizza was $10 but still basically fully priced.

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