poll Bigger event of 2023? The Eras Tour or Barbie

[Axelios]

17 minutes ago, mystery said:

So it is still incomparable to a big movie like Barbie. That 14m still only matches Barbie's opening weekend not the entire gross. 

 

If she did more dates they would just fill out with the rest of that 14m not extra We can assume that 14m is the entire potential audience that wanted a Taylor ticket. 

 

I'm sorry but to claim that Taylor would fill out more than 39m if she had the opportunity to is ridiculous. There is an limit to the demand of touring. Venue capacity has a cap and she has a set amount of dates because that is what they estimate she can sell out comfortably. 

 

A tour cannot match what a juggernaut movie can do. Even if she did x10 the amount of dates worldwide she still wouldn't match Barbie attendance with the tour.

Taylor tickets cost much more than a cinema ticket + people are traveling to see her shows and paying for hotels...

The comparison doesn't make sense, blockbuster movies obviously can reach a much larger audience given that they are much easier to access (movie theaters everywhere+low prices).

Edited July 24, 2023 by Axelios

[leyaris11]

taylor for sure. barbie movie is the just the moments, when taylor era span the whole year with touring and ect... 

[idontdodrags]

what a delusional fanbase

[mystery]

8 minutes ago, Axelios said:

Taylor tickets cost much more than a cinema ticket + people are traveling to see her shows and paying for hotels...

The comparison doesn't make sense, blockbuster movies obviously can reach a much larger audience given that they are much easier to access (movie theaters everywhere+low prices).

Like I said before even if Taylor tickets were 10 dollars she wouldn't be able to do a tour that matches the attendance of movies. 

Edited July 24, 2023 by mystery

[Feanor]

12 minutes ago, mystery said:

I'm sorry but to claim that Taylor would fill out more than 39m if she had the opportunity to is ridiculous. There is an limit to the demand of touring. Venue capacity has a cap and she has a set amount of dates because that is what they estimate she can sell out comfortably. 

 

A tour cannot match what a juggernaut movie can do. Even if she did x10 the amount of dates worldwide she still wouldn't match Barbie attendance with the tour.

Except that claim comes directly from the chairman of Live Nation:

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We had 14 million people hit the site – including bots, another story, which are not supposed to be there. And despite all the challenges and the breakdowns, we did sell over 2 million tickets that day. We could have filled 900 stadiums.”

900 shows à 50k people per show gets us to 45M people, and that's with concert ticket prices. 

Taylor's tour most definitely had the demand of a juggernaut blockbuster, but it's impossible for her to meet that demand in a way a movie can… cause she's not a robot.  That's why they set the amount of dates they did, to accommodate her being able to do this many shows without exhausting her, not because that's what they thought she could comfortably sell-out.

[mystery]

Just now, Feanor said:

Except that claim comes directly from the chairman of Live Nation:

900 shows à 50k people per show gets us to 45M people, and that's with concert ticket prices. 

Taylor's tour most definitely had the demand of a juggernaut blockbuster, but it's impossible for her to meet that demand in a way a movie can… cause she's not a robot.  That's why they set the amount of dates they did, to accommodate her being able to do this many shows without exhausting her, not because that's what they thought she could comfortably sell-out.

Great Taylor with the absolute limit of 900 stadiums can manage to match a 500m grossing movie. 

[Erreur2 La Nature]

Only one of these is known where I live 

[Blue Rose]

38 minutes ago, The Music Industry said:

Sure jan indeed. Imagine always barging in threads about Taylor's tour, always being wrong and negative, and then complaining about getting downvoted by Swifties. Couldn't be me! 

No amount of downvotes or reports is going to make the Tiktok CEO recant his words about Taylor’s fraudulent tiktoks.

PS:

Report Status: Completed 

# of points in my inbox: 0

 

[Gorjesspazze9]

Swifties need to live in reality. I promise you random people are not talking about the Era’s tour on a daily basis. Dislike all you want. The delusions need to stop. Barbie is a pop culture event that the General public is engaged with. Era’s tour is for fans. It ain’t that deep

Edited July 24, 2023 by Gorjesspazze9

[AxelFox]

8 minutes ago, idontdodrags said:

what a delusional fanbase

The amount of votes for the eras tour I-  

 

Not surprised however. They've reached liddos levels of delusion.

[Shelter]

Swifties still in their bubble. Cute 

[Feanor]

1 minute ago, mystery said:

Great Taylor with the absolute limit of 900 stadiums can manage to match a 500m grossing movie. 

… while also grossing almost 5 billion dollars with the average concert ticket price of 2023.

Lower the price to movie ticket levels, and the demand would've significantly exceeded the 45M people that could've filled those 900 stadiums, thus easily surpassing the ticket sales of a $500M movie.

 

But ofc this would never happen in real life as the appeal of concerts is to see the human performer live, and there's a limit to that. It doesn't change the fact tho that Taylor's tour was in demand like a blockbuster movie.

[mystery]

24 minutes ago, Feanor said:

… while also grossing almost 5 billion dollars with the average concert ticket price of 2023.

Lower the price to movie ticket levels, and the demand would've significantly exceeded the 45M people that could've filled those 900 stadiums, thus easily surpassing the ticket sales of a $500M movie.

 

But ofc this would never happen in real life as the appeal of concerts is to see the human performer live, and there's a limit to that. It doesn't change the fact tho that Taylor's tour was in demand like a blockbuster movie.

Yes if only ticket prices weren't insanely inflated and the artist in question didn't stay silent about it to benefit from that money. Do you really think the average ticket price in 2023 for a Taylor Swift concert in the US is normal? Imagine supporting that... literally what do you get from this.

That 45m still doesn't match Barbie's eventual gross & attendance by any means. I honestly don't understand what the issue is in accepting that this tour isn't on the same level as this movie. There is literally nothing wrong with that it will still be the biggest tour of all time. Just take the L and go. You don't have to win every argument for her.
 

Edited July 24, 2023 by mystery

[OnlyManInTheWorld]

 

[Feanor]

2 minutes ago, mystery said:

Yes if only ticket prices weren't insanely inflated and the artist in question didn't stay silent about it to benefit from that money. Do you really think the average ticket price in 2023 for a Taylor Swift concert in the US is normal? Imagine supporting that... literally what do you get from this.

Who said anything about supporting it or not? 

 

Concert tickets have always been high. This changes nothing about the fact that Taylor still reportedly hat the demand to fill out 900 stadiums at those prices. Now imagine how much higher the demand would've been if an average concert ticket cost $10.

That's it. That was the entire discussion. About how many tickets she could've theoretically sold if she could perform a show every day for 3 years straight, which, going by the words of a executive at the highest level, would've exceeded the 39M number you claimed as "ridiculous". Those numbers would've put the tour at the level of a domestic blockbuster in ticket sales alone.

[Lille]

The Eras Tour.

[WildHeart]

1 hour ago, mystery said:

So it is still incomparable to a big movie like Barbie. That 14m still only matches Barbie's opening weekend not the entire gross. 

 

If she did more dates they would just fill out with the rest of that 14m not extra We can assume that 14m is the entire potential audience that wanted a Taylor ticket. 

 

I'm sorry but to claim that Taylor would fill out more than 39m if she had the opportunity to is ridiculous. There is an limit to the demand of touring. Venue capacity has a cap and she has a set amount of dates because that is what they estimate she can sell out comfortably. 

 

A tour cannot match what a juggernaut movie can do. Even if she did x10 the amount of dates worldwide she still wouldn't match Barbie attendance with the tour.

Barbie tickets - $10 

The Eras Tour tickets - $200

 

Barbie venues - +100 cities 

The Eras Tour venues - 20 cities

 

Claiming that Taylor wouldn't extend her demand with 10x cities' support and 1/20 ticket price is indeed ridiculous, do you hear yourself? 

[unclefloprry]

43 minutes ago, OnlyManInTheWorld said:

 

Wikipedia user Ronherry has a lot of free time because all his latest edits are Taylor pages, let me report the article

[unclefloprry]

only one is talked outside the fanbase and without a Tiktok payola confirmed by the CEO 
 

[WildHeart]

1 hour ago, Gorjesspazze9 said:

Era’s tour is for fans.

The tour hashtag has 30 Billion views on Tiktok alone 

[The Music Industry]

1 hour ago, Blue Rose said:

No amount of downvotes or reports is going to make the Tiktok CEO recant his words about Taylor’s fraudulent tiktoks.

 

As it was already explained to you:

4 hours ago, Axelios said:

That has nothing to do with the tour. That was about Taylor posts being promoted when she first joined TikTok. This is the exact quote:

"We do promote content like the World Cup or when Taylor Swift joined, and at times boost it beyond the rating it would have ordinarily received from the recommendation system, much like Netflix promotes a featured video or movie on the homepage," Jeff Louisma, head of cyber and data defense for TikTok's US Data Security division, told SXSW attendees.

 

The vast majority of viral material about the Eras Tour is user made. It has no particular promo.

You've been camped in here (and every Taylor-related thread) so it's curious you missed this post! 

[The Music Industry]

1 minute ago, Artistofthedecade said:

The tour hashtag has 30 Billion views on Tiktok alone 

Fraudulent views paid by the TikTok CEO!!!!1!!!1!

[mystery]

43 minutes ago, Feanor said:

Who said anything about supporting it or not? 

 

Concert tickets have always been high. This changes nothing about the fact that Taylor still reportedly hat the demand to fill out 900 stadiums at those prices. Now imagine how much higher the demand would've been if an average concert ticket cost $10.

That's it. That was the entire discussion. About how many tickets she could've theoretically sold if she could perform a show every day for 3 years straight, which, going by the words of a executive at the highest level, would've exceeded the 39M number you claimed as "ridiculous". Those numbers would've put the tour at the level of a domestic blockbuster in ticket sales alone.

I mean if that is what you want her to do to match a domestic level blockbuster? Is it all about numbers? I mean sure yeah let her do a 900 stadium tour for 3 years straight in the US congrats to her!!!!

TDLR: Tour numbers like that are not possible and no Taylor cannot physically do that even if the demand was there. Setting this as a benchmark is unnecessary because no sane artist would consider doing that just because their fans want them to surpass the... 19th highest domestic opening weekend and potentially Top 15 domestic grosser.

Not to mention that we haven't taken worldwide numbers into account the film as well.

Sure also lets take into account that she sells 14m tickets at a price of 10 dollars. That gets her to a 140m gross for the US. Still nowhere near the Barbie opening weekend, lets multiply that by a potential 45m that would fill up 900 stadiums of demand, that gets her to 450m, still nowhere near the potential gross of Barbie or the domestic Top 25 of biggest gross.

Demand is not infinite and Taylor isn't some unstoppable force that can keep filling up stadiums x eternity. It ends at some point.

Edited July 24, 2023 by mystery

[Axelios]

2 hours ago, mystery said:

Like I said before even if Taylor tickets were 10 dollars she wouldn't be able to do a tour that matches the attendance of movies. 

More than half of US adults are Taylor fans. They would definitely pay 10 dollars to see her at a local theater for no effort.

[Feanor]

1 minute ago, mystery said:

I mean if that is what you want her to do to match a domestic level blockbuster? Is it all about numbers? I mean sure yeah let her do a 900 stadium tour for 3 years straight in the US congrats to her!!!!

TDLR: Tour numbers like that are not possible and no Taylor cannot physically do that even if the demand was there. Setting this as a benchmark is unnecessary because no sane artist would consider doing that just because their fans want them to surpass the... 19th highest domestic opening weekend and potentially Top 15 domestic grosser.

You are repeatedly missing the whole point.

No one is talking about how feasible it is for a tour to sell tens of millions of tickets in real life. It is not. No one is claiming otherwise or is even entertaining the idea of this being possible. All I'm pointing out is that the demand itself was there for Taylor to pull this off and to rival the ticket sales of any domestic blockbuster, a point you claimed as "ridiculous:"

 

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I'm sorry but to claim that Taylor would fill out more than 39m if she had the opportunity to is ridiculous.

If Taylor had the opportunity and physical/mental capabilities to perform live for that many people, she absolutely would've sold 39M tickets and then some, as the Live Nation chairman himself indicated. So no mystery, it is not a "ridiculous" claim. It's just not a realistic one.

 

 

1 minute ago, mystery said:

Not to mention that we haven't taken worldwide numbers into account the film as well.

We can do that easily as Taylor's tour, like most modern blockbusters, is set to sell more tickets overseas than in the US.

Just like in the US, far more people tried to get tickets than there was inventory available. For her 6 shows in Singapore alone, 22M people tried to get tickets. And it's a similar scenario with all her international dates. If Taylor was able to tour according to demand, she'd be selling north of hundred million tickets, which once again is at the level of a global blockbuster movie.

 

 

1 minute ago, mystery said:

Sure also let's take into account that she sells 14m tickets at a price of 10 dollars. That gets her to a 140m gross for the US. Still nowhere near the Barbie opening weekend, lets multiply that by a potential 45m that would fill up 900 stadiums of demand, that gets her to 450m, still nowhere near the potential gross of Barbie or the domestic Top 25 of biggest gross.

If she sold her tickets for $10, far more than 45M people would've tried to see Taylor live. Those 14M/45M people were just those willing to spend hundreds of dollars to see her live. If this is moral or not is not the topic, the fact that Taylor had this kind of demand in the first place is.

If she could somehow perform for all of them, she'd be making ten times more than $450M, thus surpassing the gross of any movie ever AND selling as many tickets as a smash movie. Lower the ticket price and the number of people interested in seeing her would skyrocket even further.

 

But she can't, because she's a human at the end of the day. She has the demand to sell tens of millions of tickets at exorbitant prices, even more if she sold them for $10, but it'll never be possible for her to achieve that irl. And that's really all there is.