Is Taylor Swift the biggest music star in America since Michael Jackson?

[Phaunzie]

2 hours ago, Raspberries said:

Taylor stomps all of them in streaming sans Drake and Taylor is the biggest touring act alive rn, and this includes Madonna. She's going to do over 3X what Sticky & Sweet did

So what you are saying is, that Drake is bigger than her in streaming, hence her not being the biggest artist at the moment. I mean how can she be the biggest when she is behind other artist. 

 

[Raspberries]

3 minutes ago, Phaunzie said:

So what you are saying is, that Drake is bigger than her in streaming, hence her not being the biggest artist at the moment. I mean how can she be the biggest when she is behind other artist. 

 

At the moment, she is bigger than Drake on streaming. She has been ahead of him on the US Spotify Weekly Artist chart every week this year. But overall, Drake is the king of streaming and we know this. We also know male artists do better on streaming overall 

 

Drake has peaked and his momentum has slowed, but his back catalog smashes hard in the US. He and Taylor are one in the same in that regard. Midnights is bigger on streaming than any Drake album since Scorpion though

 

[RobynYoBank]

She washes every artist in the US I fear

[byzantium]

Y’all are out here discussing the wrong thing.  The question of this thread is wrong because Garth Brooks was bigger than Michael Jackson in the US and thus was clearly bigger than Taylor Swift. 
 

The man has 9 Diamond albums.  

Edited July 5, 2023 by byzantium

[Chris]

I guess Madonna, Mariah Carey, Whitney Houston, and Celine never existed.

[Chris]

I am convinced some (not all) Swifties just love to troll or something.

[ttsmu]

Swifties are so delusional OMG 

 

Please name a Taylor song that is more iconic, known and impactful than Thriller or Billie Jean. Not even all her singles together are.

 

Bye.

[TouchinFree]

23 hours ago, Badgalbriel said:

That's still not the question. You're comparing her to him. The question is if after him, she's the biggest in America. And she is. 

And my answer is still no. I made it clear. And you're wrong because no one ever can follow Michael Jackson. You'd be laughed at on the streets if you made that statement in the real world.

[Badgalbriel]

Just now, TouchinFree said:

And my answer is still no. I made it clear. And you're wrong because no one ever can follow Michael Jackson. You'd be laughed at on the streets if you made that statement in the real world.

That's still not the question. The question is not if can follow Michael Jackson. The question is if she's the biggest SINCE him. And she is.

[TouchinFree]

7 minutes ago, Badgalbriel said:

That's still not the question. The question is not if can follow Michael Jackson. The question is if she's the biggest SINCE him. And she is.

Still NO sis I think I've addressed that in my first comment. Maybe Madonna. But that's it. 

 

Again no artist could FOLLOW, become AS successful , Nor COMPARED ....or SINCE MJ ( since you're very particular about your words). I dare you to go out and interview people making that statement. You'd be laughed at.

Edited July 6, 2023 by TouchinFree

[Badgalbriel]

1 minute ago, TouchinFree said:

Still NO sis I think I've addressed that in my first comment. Maybe Madonna. But that's it. 

 

Again no artist could FOLLOW, become AS successful , Nor COMPARED ....or SINCE MJ ( since you're very particular about your words). I dare you to go out and interview people making that statement. You'd be laughed at.

That's, again, not the question. The question is if she is the biggest second to him. Not AS successful, not COMPARED. 

SINCE means after him. Someone needs to be second. Doesn't mean second is any closer to 1st.

[Steve Johnson]

Yes yes yes.

[TouchinFree]

Just now, Badgalbriel said:

That's, again, not the question. The question is if she is the biggest second to him. Not AS successful, not COMPARED. 

SINCE means after him. Someone needs to be second. Doesn't mean second is any closer to 1st.

She's not. Madonna is. You're free to have an opinion and think otherwise of course. You cannot deny Beyonce's, Britney's, Whitney's, and Mariah's incredible peaks and influences as well.

 

I'd say if she could pull off another RED and 1989 success rate then she'd be close. Because those were her peaks. Madonna would still be second as she's the reason all other pop girls even exist and nobody could match her success, relevance and impact. Taylor still has yet to become as culturally relevant as Madonna and MJ though. It's not just about the numbers at the end. 

[Outlaws]

See, she's very successful. That's about it.

[prézli]

No.

 

Madonna, Britney, Eminem

[jeffreyy]

The mental gymnastics here just to discredit Taylor 

[jijie101]

Madonna and Whitney were much bigger. 

[fijitears]

On 7/5/2023 at 3:27 AM, Dr. Alexander said:

Michael Jackson was able to appeal to the Black and white demographic. That’s why he was so big in America.

 

Basing off of how white and beige her concert attendance is, Taylor is nowhere near being the biggest artist since Michael. 

 

Too unseasoned. Only appeals to white consumers. That’s her market.  Beyoncé is the biggest as she’s been able to build a foundation within both markets. 

You literally had me up until the very last sentence 

[btoafy]

She‘s much biggerthan MJ

Billboard alltime chart tells the truth

[Damien M]

Michael Jackson > Madonna > Taylor Swift = Beyoncé > Elvis 

that’s literally IT. However Beyonce should be higher bc she’s a superior artist but she’s a black woman so she naturally sells less. That’s life.

 

Taylor is great though and her success is deserved. She has many inbuilt advantages that Michael and Beyoncé did not, however.

[Damien M]

7 hours ago, fijitears said:

You literally had me up until the very last sentence 

Yt people seemingly dumped Beyonce after Formation lol. Was it really that divisive? 

Renny seems like a gradual return to the IASF crossover lane that she’d shied away from the past few years in favor of blacker music (Everything is Love, The Gift).

she’ll be fine, she’s too talented to be ignored.

[ScubaDive]

How is Taylor Swift, the literal music industry, not bigger than that creepy pedophile? 

[ScubaDive]

That's like ******* outrageous or blasphemy. 

[Chris]

The amount of dupes.

 

[MingYouToo]

The answer is YES I fear!

 

The sheer dominance she has over pop culture conversation here and her chokehold on a significant chunk of AA, white and hispanic audiences is insane.