ClashAndBurn Posted June 29, 2023 Posted June 29, 2023 1 hour ago, Espresso said: Asians may be considered the model minority by neocons and neolibs, but that romantic notion doesn't hold power with their base of populists nor outside agitators like progressives. Except the conservative populists are against higher education altogether which works to the neocons advantage in those positions of power. Which means it comes down to progressives challenging the neolibs in power, yet again, to make any difference. But there's too much chaos elsewhere to dedicate energy to this issue. And many are making arguments about stopping the Ivy's from holding so much cultural sway anyways so this symbolic conversation would be considered irrelevant. Well, yes. DeSantis is pretty open about wanting to delete the Department of Education. A process Trump already initiated by putting Betsy DeVos in charge of it, but any Republican will be obligated to finish.
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted June 29, 2023 ATRL Moderator Posted June 29, 2023 It's... startling that many seem to think this isn't going to directly result in admission discrimination. This is a beyond f***ed up decision and it needs to be fought to death. The Supreme Court also needs to be reformed massively. But I expect little to no efforts by the Democrats to challenge or combat this. They will just sigh and say "vote". 6 1
ClashAndBurn Posted June 29, 2023 Posted June 29, 2023 31 minutes ago, Bloo said: It's... startling that many seem to think this isn't going to directly result in admission discrimination. This is a beyond f***ed up decision and it needs to be fought to death. The Supreme Court also needs to be reformed massively. But I expect little to no efforts by the Democrats to challenge or combat this. They will just sigh and say "vote". That’s what the Democrat shills like Olivia Julianna are doing already. 1
bad guy Posted June 29, 2023 Posted June 29, 2023 This would only be “fair” if they also found legacy to be unconstitutional, since that’s the antithesis of merit based admission which is what the conservative judges care so much about apparently. But then that would affect their children so of course they have no problem with that
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted June 29, 2023 ATRL Moderator Posted June 29, 2023 10 minutes ago, bad guy said: This would only be “fair” if they also found legacy to be unconstitutional, since that’s the antithesis of merit based admission which is what the conservative judges care so much about apparently. But then that would affect their children so of course they have no problem with that Just to point out, conservatives have for a long time trotted that AA is discriminatory against White, Asian, and Jewish people specifically. The assumption that AA is bad is based on the idea that Black people and other PoC do not work hard and must have academic qualification standards lowered to be admitted to Harvard, Stanford, MIT, etc. The entire tenor of the argument against AA is baked in racism and bigotry.
DONTYELLATME Posted June 29, 2023 Posted June 29, 2023 (edited) Harvard shot themselves by having a personality meter to rate Asians and whites as boring like cmon y’all didn’t see the optics of that? FOOLS Now we all have to suffer Edited June 29, 2023 by DONTYELLATME
DONTYELLATME Posted June 29, 2023 Posted June 29, 2023 Also good luck going by socio economic status since the majority of low income people are white. Smaller percentage than African Americans and Latinos but the sheer number of them …..
Miss Show Business Posted June 29, 2023 Posted June 29, 2023 Someone please enlighten me. AA admissions have never solely been based on race, correct? I've always assumed this to be true. If so, then this is obviously yet another disastrous decision. SCOTUS needs major reforms. POTUS appointing the seats only politicizes the court.
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted June 29, 2023 ATRL Moderator Posted June 29, 2023 32 minutes ago, Miss Show Business said: Someone please enlighten me. AA admissions have never solely been based on race, correct? I've always assumed this to be true. If so, then this is obviously yet another disastrous decision. SCOTUS needs major reforms. POTUS appointing the seats only politicizes the court. You are correct. 1
Sylpher Posted June 29, 2023 Posted June 29, 2023 2 hours ago, Miss Show Business said: Someone please enlighten me. AA admissions have never solely been based on race, correct? I've always assumed this to be true. If so, then this is obviously yet another disastrous decision. SCOTUS needs major reforms. POTUS appointing the seats only politicizes the court. Maybe not solely, but AA involves judging people based on the color of their skin. That's racist and therefore cannot be allowed. 9
Communion Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 2 hours ago, Miss Show Business said: Someone please enlighten me. AA admissions have never solely been based on race, correct? I've always assumed this to be true. If so, then this is obviously yet another disastrous decision. SCOTUS needs major reforms. POTUS appointing the seats only politicizes the court. 3 minutes ago, Sylpher said: Maybe not solely, but AA involves judging people based on the color of their skin. That's racist @Sylpher you're a troll. No AA decisions are made where race gives someone an admission to a school over someone with better credentials or academics than them. Affirmative action has always been a directive that members of under-represented groups should be selected when faced with two candidates of equal resumes and merits. It's not "judging people based on the color of their skin". It was restorative action to undo said judgement. In the context of race, AA didn't place low-achieving black or Hispanic students in schools over high-achieving white or Asian students. It placed high-achieving black or Hispanic students in schools where de-facto segregation saw these high-achieving students largely locked out for years and years. Let alone that, race has not been the most prominent matrix used for AA, given that white women have been the main benefactors of AA over the years as an "under-represented" group.
Sylpher Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Communion said: @Sylpher you're a troll. No AA decisions are made where race gives someone an admission to a school over someone with better credentials or academics than them. Affirmative action has always been a directive that members of under-represented groups should be selected when faced with two candidates of equal resumes and merits. It's not "judging people based on the color of their skin". It was restorative action to undo said judgement. In the context of race, AA didn't place low-achieving black or Hispanic students in schools over high-achieving white or Asian students. It placed high-achieving black or Hispanic students in schools where de-facto segregation saw these high-achieving students largely locked out for years and years. Let alone that, race has not been the most prominent matrix used for AA, given that white women have been the main benefactors of AA over the years as an "under-represented" group. No they should all be treated the same, no matter their skin color. The whole background of the case was that a group of ASIAN Americans (a minority) were being rejected even though the data proves they are some of the most "qualified" applicants in the country and were even more qualified than applicants from other ethnic groups. That's racism. Explain that. Edited June 30, 2023 by Sylpher
Communion Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 Just now, Sylpher said: No they should all be treated the same They are, aka why AA again dealt with high-achieving students of equal merit. 1 minute ago, Sylpher said: and were even more qualified than applicants No one has lost out on a spot at a school to someone less qualified than them due to AA.
Relampago. Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 No words, just disappointment but I don’t expect anything different at this point Student loan forgiveness getting shot down next I’m sure
Eternal220 Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 Great news for asians. Entry to universities should be based only on your own capability and not skin color.
Enrique523 Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 7 hours ago, Eternal220 said: Great news for asians. Entry to universities should be based only on your own capability and not skin color. You guys are really not even hiding your racism anymore.
Ewan Chaos Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 8 hours ago, Eternal220 said: Great news for asians. Entry to universities should be based only on your own capability and not skin color. 1 hour ago, Enrique523 said: You guys are really not even hiding your racism anymore. I had whiplash because I thought you were the same user replying to yourself 2
Ichinaru19 Posted July 1, 2023 Posted July 1, 2023 On 6/30/2023 at 5:28 AM, Eternal220 said: Great news for asians. Entry to universities should be based only on your own capability and not skin color. As an Asian American, no.
Aethereal Posted July 1, 2023 Posted July 1, 2023 (edited) AA should be based entirely on income in such way it will help, indirectly, the African American community and other minorities. If you're white, wealthy and qualified nothing will get on your way to your degree and your ambition so there is no rational reason to have any disdain about AA. Edited July 1, 2023 by Aristotle
Attitude Posted July 1, 2023 Posted July 1, 2023 At least they can't blame minorities for taking their spots anymore.
banterfly Posted July 2, 2023 Posted July 2, 2023 On 6/29/2023 at 2:41 PM, bad guy said: This would only be “fair” if they also found legacy to be unconstitutional, since that’s the antithesis of merit based admission which is what the conservative judges care so much about apparently. But then that would affect their children so of course they have no problem with that Legacy admissions have nothing to do with AA though. It is a separate problem. If the goal was to help marginalized people, why not provide help for those with low socioeconomic status who are deserving instead of race? AA is racist and has largely excluded Asians.
Tropez Posted July 2, 2023 Posted July 2, 2023 These past few years have been horrible for white women. Roe v Wade, and AA were things that benefited whites women the most. However, the conversation was always about how it affects black people. Which is funny. Do white Americans understand that when they try to hurt black people there are actually hurting themselves?
banterfly Posted July 2, 2023 Posted July 2, 2023 On 6/29/2023 at 2:53 PM, Bloo said: Just to point out, conservatives have for a long time trotted that AA is discriminatory against White, Asian, and Jewish people specifically. The assumption that AA is bad is based on the idea that Black people and other PoC do not work hard and must have academic qualification standards lowered to be admitted to Harvard, Stanford, MIT, etc. The entire tenor of the argument against AA is baked in racism and bigotry. And yet AA, being race-based, isn't racist?
banterfly Posted July 2, 2023 Posted July 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Tropez said: These past few years have been horrible for white women. Roe v Wade, and AA were things that benefited whites women the most. However, the conversation was always about how it affects black people. Which is funny. Do white Americans understand that when they try to hurt black people there are actually hurting themselves? How did AA help white women?
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