Mastamaind Posted July 1, 2023 Posted July 1, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, Polgg48 said: peso pluma surprise flop on this number, consider he released on thursday that still would have been under 100k. bad bunny already did above that on debut x 100pre, the next superstar they said. kim charting I'm sorry but what is this delusional rewriting of history? Peso Pluma didn't include his smash with Eslabon Armado, "Ella Baila Sola", on his album, and I'm sure he could have made a deal with them to include the song if he really wanted to. He also didn't include like 9 singles he released this year (between his, duets and collabs), 6 of them which are currently charting in the Hot 100, he also didn't include a 2021 single which is also charting this week. Had he done that, I'm 100% sure he would have beaten Morgan Wallen for the #1, something some of the biggest acts/artists/bands/groups haven't been able to do this year. I f*ck with Bad Bunny but since you brought him up (and Morgan Wallen, specifying, since I did), I'm not entirely sure why you particularly mentioned 'X 100pre', since that album debuted at #29 and peaked at #11 with 36k units, a number Peso Pluma has far exceeded. If you wanna compare his subsequent albums that did better numbers, let's also take into account that Peso Pluma's 'GÉNESIS' is a 14-track album and: Bad Bunny - 'YHLQMDLG': 20 tracks. Bad Bunny - 'El Último Tour del Mundo': 16 tracks but that's 26 singles and 2 albums (one of them with an already big artist, J Balvin) after his debut and Peso had his first smash this year ('X 100pre' was released after "I Like It" and Peso did much better numbers) so it's not a fair comparison (for context, 'X 100pre' did 31% of this album's numbers and 'GÉNESIS' 63%). Bad Bunny - 'Un Verano Sin Ti': 23 tracks Morgan Wallen - 'One Thing at a Time': 36 tracks. Peso Pluma - 'GÉNESIS': 14 tracks. Do the math. And look, I'm not about to knock on artists that put more tracks on their albums than the more universal/traditional (so to speak) releases, Peso released just hours ago a deluxe version of 'GÉNESIS' with two of the previously released tracks mentioned and a new one with Grupo Frontera ("TULUM"), which numbers will not count towards this week's chart since its tracking is complete. So if you're able to make it cohesive, great, and that is able to be done for example like with the classic Smashing Pumpkins album, 'Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness' which has 28 tracks and that was before streaming. The thing is Peso released a great, cohesive 14-track album that really did solid numbers in the streaming era and that's facts. Period. Edited July 1, 2023 by Mastamaind 1
OmegaRidley Posted July 1, 2023 Posted July 1, 2023 13 hours ago, GardenPanty said: @Lady Claire@Alfred @OmegaRidley @Bicassie not kim securing #40 with 17k i thought she would be doing chloe numbers She won in the end
fridayteenage Posted July 1, 2023 Posted July 1, 2023 5 hours ago, Johnny Jacobs said: In the streaming era It's impressive and he's been slaying for years now and he won't back down. He's not even doing massive promo like the other acts It's Disgusting but still impressive eh. under 250k sales in 16 weeks. someone like harry can open over 300k sales.
simmnfierzig Posted July 1, 2023 Posted July 1, 2023 29 minutes ago, fridayteenage said: eh. under 250k sales in 16 weeks. someone like harry can open over 300k sales. Yeah totally different demographics. Morgan isnt less successful cause his fans dont buy albums. Albums sales absolutely dont mean anything in 2023. Its a cool bonus, but its not needed 1
KCFan2014 Posted July 1, 2023 Posted July 1, 2023 (edited) 10 hours ago, KKCuteCat said: US really saved Kelly from a tragic flop as she debuted outside Top 30 everywhere else. Us is the biggest market sis and she didn't promote anywhere else. Hell she didn't even get to really promote in the US either because of the strike. 53k is amazing for a 41yr old woman in pop in todays market. Artist like Avril and Carrie did only 30k with promo Edited July 1, 2023 by KCFan2014
schnetzka Posted July 1, 2023 Posted July 1, 2023 4 minutes ago, KCFan2014 said: Us is the biggest market sis and she didn't promote anywhere else. Hell she didn't even get to really promote in the US either because of the strike. 53k is amazing for a 41yr old woman in pop in todays market. Artist like Avril and Carrie who came out at the same time did only 30k with promo Kelly having a talk show probably helped with the numbers because people watch her daily.
KCFan2014 Posted July 1, 2023 Posted July 1, 2023 24 minutes ago, schnetzka said: Kelly having a talk show probably helped with the numbers because people watch her daily. She didn't promote on her show the writers strike its been done this season But she is definitely a big celebrity
schnetzka Posted July 1, 2023 Posted July 1, 2023 1 hour ago, KCFan2014 said: She didn't promote on her show the writers strike its been done this season But she is definitely a big celebrity I meant that people watch her show daily (well before the strike at least) so for a lot of people, she is on their mind at least once a day.
KCFan2014 Posted July 1, 2023 Posted July 1, 2023 6 minutes ago, schnetzka said: I meant that people watch her show daily (well before the strike at least) so for a lot of people, she is on their mind at least once a day. Her fanbase got bigger of course just not youngins that stream but if she would have got to promote oh her show and othwers she would have easily crossed 60k
Right Now Posted July 1, 2023 Posted July 1, 2023 1 hour ago, schnetzka said: I meant that people watch her show daily (well before the strike at least) so for a lot of people, she is on their mind at least once a day. I’m not sure how that point could be lost on that user so often, but there we go. She’s had The Voice and her talk show as consistent promo to remind the GP that she is a singer. 1
KCFan2014 Posted July 1, 2023 Posted July 1, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Right Now said: I’m not sure how that point could be lost on that user so often, but there we go. She’s had The Voice and her talk show as consistent promo to remind the GP that she is a singer. Lmao She still didn't promote on either and is gonna open with 22k more then ur fav So what your saying is people need to be reminded Carrie's a singer? Stop making excuses. It's been 6 years since Kelly released an album. Carrie had 3 albums back to back a Christmas album then right after a Christian album then right after she released the new album. On top of her singing Sunday Night Football PLUS promo. Even after all that it was still only 31k if what your saying is Kelly is more revelant in 2023 then yes you are correct Edited July 1, 2023 by KCFan2014 2 1
Right Now Posted July 1, 2023 Posted July 1, 2023 1 hour ago, KCFan2014 said: Lmao She still didn't promote on either and is gonna open with 22k more then ur fav So what your saying is people need to be reminded Carrie's a singer? Stop making excuses. It's been 6 years since Kelly released an album. Carrie had 3 albums back to back a Christmas album then right after a Christian album then right after she released the new album. On top of her singing Sunday Night Football PLUS promo. Even after all that it was still only 31k if what your saying is Kelly is more revelant in 2023 then yes you are correct As a singer, Carrie is absolutely more relevant as she can still tour arenas and is going to be headlining three concerts with Guns N’ Roses this summer. But no one is bringing up Carrie here so I’m not sure what you’re trying to gain here. Kelly is definitely the bigger public figure.
KCFan2014 Posted July 1, 2023 Posted July 1, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Right Now said: As a singer, Carrie is absolutely more relevant as she can still tour arenas and is going to be headlining three concerts with Guns N’ Roses this summer. But no one is bringing up Carrie here so I’m not sure what you’re trying to gain here. Kelly is definitely the bigger public figure. Lmfao you need help you still trying to use carrie can tour and Kelly can't when she chose not to Please show us any proof saying Kelly can't tour 53k very little promo compared to 31k promo says otherwise Kelly is the relevant one Edited July 1, 2023 by KCFan2014
Right Now Posted July 1, 2023 Posted July 1, 2023 4 minutes ago, KCFan2014 said: Lmfao you need help you still trying to use carrie can tour and Kelly can't when she chose not to Please show us any proof saying Kelly can't tour 53k very little promo compared to 31k promo says otherwise Kelly is the relevant one Carrie did not promote as much as you’re saying. Idk what the obsession is.
Ab1818 Posted July 1, 2023 Posted July 1, 2023 (edited) I’m glad KC has good numbers. I’m sure it would have had a bigger opening if she had her talk show to promote the new music and every late night talk show to perform. But I’m sure she’ll do promo when the strike is over… and maybe she’ll release that deluxe version too. 👀 The album is back at #1 on iTunes right now. ITunes isn’t what it used to, but it definitely is a great thing for Kelly! Edited July 1, 2023 by Ab1818
Alfred Posted July 2, 2023 Posted July 2, 2023 7 hours ago, KCFan2014 said: Her fanbase got bigger of course just not youngins that stream but if she would have got to promote oh her show and othwers she would have easily crossed 60k umm... didn't she tease new music months ago on her show? and then officially announce the album and singles on the show? and perform them on the show? that's all promotion
KCFan2014 Posted July 2, 2023 Posted July 2, 2023 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Alfred said: umm... didn't she tease new music months ago on her show? and then officially announce the album and singles on the show? and perform them on the show? that's all promotion Do you not know the difference between single promo and album promo? Ummmmm that was back in April and was for her single the only time she sang anything from the album as far as promo goes. Clearly not release week promo. It's not rocket science the gp aren't like stans lmao She canceled her performance on The Voice to support writers. Also was gonna release the concert on tv didnt do that either. BIg promo strategy for her talk show and others got canceled due to everything shutting down The only big show she did was The Today Show Edited July 2, 2023 by KCFan2014
KCFan2014 Posted July 2, 2023 Posted July 2, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Right Now said: Carrie did not promote as much as you’re saying. Idk what the obsession is. She promoted way more than Kelly This thread isn't even about Carrie and you still keep going embarrassing I literally just mentioned she did better then artist who came out around or not long after her it wasn't even a diss. I mentioned her and Avril Edited July 2, 2023 by KCFan2014
Right Now Posted July 2, 2023 Posted July 2, 2023 3 hours ago, KCFan2014 said: She promoted way more than Kelly This thread isn't even about Carrie and you still keep going embarrassing I literally just mentioned she did better then artist who came out around or not long after her it wasn't even a diss. I mentioned her and Avril No you brought her up first directly in the response to mine, when I responded to how she gets unlimited exposure from her talk show. What is your issue? The selective memory. Wish I could have it.
KCFan2014 Posted July 2, 2023 Posted July 2, 2023 6 hours ago, Right Now said: No you brought her up first directly in the response to mine, when I responded to how she gets unlimited exposure from her talk show. What is your issue? The selective memory. Wish I could have it. I brought it up when you you tried being slick and said something about me cause you still crying about the other thread lmao. Enjoy ur day
KKCuteCat Posted July 2, 2023 Posted July 2, 2023 23 hours ago, KCFan2014 said: Us is the biggest market sis and she didn't promote anywhere else. Hell she didn't even get to really promote in the US either because of the strike. 53k is amazing for a 41yr old woman in pop in todays market. Artist like Avril and Carrie did only 30k with promo You know that Avril outsold Kelly WW right? Why even start it?
KCFan2014 Posted July 2, 2023 Posted July 2, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, KKCuteCat said: You know that Avril outsold Kelly WW right? Why even start it? First...it wasn't even a diss just a fact I stated She didn't outsell her worldwide. Avrils worldwide sales equal up to Kelly's US sales lmao keep it moving We also don't even know Kelly's full sales yet Edited July 2, 2023 by KCFan2014
NEUTRON Posted July 2, 2023 Posted July 2, 2023 On 6/30/2023 at 9:21 PM, Rico Shameless v2 said: Gunna Apple 100 #1 fukumean #11 back to the moon #12 rodeo dr #20 bread & butter #30 back at it #35 bottom #45 p angels #46 ca$h $hit #58 idk nomore #62 go crazy #71 paybach #93 turned your back #98 born rich Young Thug #6 Oh U Went (ft. Drake) #26 Parade On Cleveland (ft. Drake) #49 Cars Bring Me Out (ft. Future) #55 Want Me Dead (ft. 21 Savage) #73 Wit Da Racks (ft. 21 Savage, Travis Scott) Thug really bombed even with all of hip-hop's elite behind him. Tried to upset Gunna and almost his entire album is still charting on Apple's Top 100, plus fukumean is going to be a staple through the Fall. Gunna made the better album
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