The Music Industry Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, WeFoundTrouble said: Not to mention President Biden forcing Ticketmaster and other ticketing sites to get rid of “ghost fees” last week as a result of the Eras Tour trials. Now you have to be shown the full price of your tickets upfront including all fees instead of being met with hundreds of dollars additional to what you see when searching for seats in the venue maps like, she provokes REAL WORLD CHANGES in the industries surrounding her but that’s not impact to these people because she didn’t belly dance over an active volcano once in 2003 but what about iconic wigs or iconic outfits? That's what's important to us ATRL gays Jokes aside, let's add to this: Quote The controversy and "Swift's star power" has inspired a string of bills in the U.S. According to Carolyn Sloane, assistant professor of economics of the University of California, Riverside, the fiasco spurred mass political action because Swift "has scaled her talent through demographic technology". Federal Klobuchar and Blumenthal proposed the Unlocking Tickets Markets Act in the U.S. Senate; it would grant the Federal Trade Commission the power to prevent "excessively long" exclusive contracts and open the market to more ticket-selling companies than just one like Ticketmaster. Pascrell and Frank Pallone proposed BOSS and SWIFT Act (Better Oversight of Stub Sales and Strengthening Well Informed and Fair Transactions for Audiences of Concert Ticketing) in the U.S. House, requiring ticket-sellers to disclose the total cost, including a breakdown of fees, the total number of tickets offered for sale within seven days of an event, and prohibit promoters or venue employees from reselling tickets at elevated prices. Ted Cruz, Maria Cantwell, Jan Schakowsky and Gus Bilirakis proposed the TICKET Act (Transparency In Charges for Key Events Ticketing Act) in both houses of the Congress, requiring ticket platforms to display the full price in advertising and marketing materials and disclose "speculative tickets"—the tickets the seller does not possess when making the sale. State The New York State Assembly enacted a bill in December 2022 proposed by member Kenny Burgos " to crack down on scalping and control the ticket-resale market." In the Washington State Legislature, Representative Kristine Reeves debuted in January 2023 the TSWIFT Consumer Protection Act, which mandates the prohibition of bots or software to buy tickets and restrictions on dynamic pricing. When the bill stalled, Reeves claimed that Ticketmaster has hired lobbyists to "kill" her bill and she "hopes to redraft the measure in the next legislative session." The Minnesota House of Representatives passed the "House File 1989" bill—the title being a reference to Swift's 2014 album 1989—to require Ticketmaster and other companies to reveal all the prices and fees upfront. Members of the Massachusetts General Court introduced the "Taylor Swift Bill" in March 2023 that mandates ticketing companies to disclose full ticket costs upfront and outlaw dynamic pricing in the state. Texas governor Greg Abbott signed the "Save Our Swifties" bill into law in May 2023, banning the use of bots and other technology to bulk-purchase concert tickets. Violation will elicit a penalty of up to $10,000 for every ticket purchase. The California State Assembly passed Bill 8, sponsored by Laura Friedman, Jacqui Irwin and Scott Wilk, that requires ticket sellers to elucidate the total prices upfront. In a statement to The Washington Post, Ticketmaster refused to comment on any alleged negotiations with lawmakers regarding the bills, but noted it had to "ramp up our engagement with policymakers because they are being inundated with misinformation peddled by scalpers." Edited June 18, 2023 by The Music Industry
FightDragonsWithMe Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 3 minutes ago, The Music Industry said: but what about iconic wigs or iconic outfits? That's what's important to us ATRL gays You forgot living vicariously through 30 YO stats and re living your past nostalgia to push onto people it's never been relevant too 1
byzantium Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 47 minutes ago, collin said: None of these people are major artists, just so you know. Olivia Rodrigo is not a major artist? OTHs really would say anything just to attack other female artists.
collin Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 4 minutes ago, WeFoundTrouble said: A couple posts ago you said you wish someone more interesting was having this happen to them and I realize it’s not really worth discussing with you. You don’t like Taylor’s music or find her interesting and that is totally ok. You don’t have to. No one is forcing you to. But Taylor is definitely causing actual changes in the music industry that are felt by her peers, other musicians songwriters and producers alike. Sorry they’re not visibly interesting enough to be memorable to you No— I do understand that she is causing positive change in some ways— I’m glad she is doing that, it’s truly the least she could do, because her art itself is making no changes in culture.
collin Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 Just now, byzantium said: Olivia Rodrigo is not a major artist? OTHs really would say anything just to attack other female artists. I already said she is, I was talking about the other artists listed. Love the ability to specifically cherry pick this post but ignore the other things that were said around it. Swifties will really do anything to course correct their agenda!
byzantium Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 Just now, collin said: I already said she is, I was talking about the other artists listed. Love the ability to specifically cherry pick this post but ignore the other things that were said around it. Swifties will really do anything to course correct their agenda! Another artist listed is Halsey who is one of the biggest female artists to debut in the streaming era. You just love to move the goalpost.
collin Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 Just now, byzantium said: Another artist listed is Halsey who is one of the biggest female artists to debut in the streaming era. You just love to move the goalpost. If you want, I can throw you a bone and admit Taylor Swift’s impact on pop music juggernaut, Halsey.
Lemon Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 3 minutes ago, collin said: No— I do understand that she is causing positive change in some ways— I’m glad she is doing that, it’s truly the least she could do, because her art itself is making no changes in culture. But how would she be able to thrive like this if she wasn’t culturally relevant?
The Music Industry Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, collin said: because her art itself is making no changes in culture. She LITERALLY reshaped modern country music and brought a whole new generation to the genre. There's literally studies about this. Countless artists and publications also credit her for the rise in emphasis on lyricism and on autobiographical mainstream music in the last decade. Y'all just say anything Edited June 18, 2023 by The Music Industry
collin Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 4 minutes ago, The Music Industry said: She LITERALLY reshaped modern country music and brought a whole new generation to the genre. There's literally studies about this. Countless artists and publications also credit her for the rise in emphasis on lyricism and on autobiographical mainstream music in the last decade. Y'all just say anything The reaching. Truly doing a disservice to songwriters to act like she has done anything revolutionary with her pen. 5 minutes ago, Lemon said: But how would she be able to thrive like this if she wasn’t culturally relevant? Relevance does not equal artistic integrity. Like, at all.
PoisonedIvy Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 15 minutes ago, The Music Industry said: but what about iconic wigs or iconic outfits? That's what's important to us ATRL gays Jokes aside, let's add to this: I love well informed takes, we don’t get enough of that on this site. People could benefit more from backing up the stuff they say on here with indisputable facts.
Lemon Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, collin said: Relevance does not equal artistic integrity. Like, at all. I am not sure who said this or what does that have to do with your claim “her art does not make any changes in culture”? Also, not sure why we would be saying that Taylor doesn’t have artistical integrity? And moreover, OP basically is talking about her massive relevance, so not sure what you are trying to imply. Edited June 18, 2023 by Lemon
FightDragonsWithMe Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 8 minutes ago, deal dough said: not 11 pages already Only on TAYRL
The Music Industry Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 9 minutes ago, collin said: The reaching. Truly doing a disservice to songwriters to act like she has done anything revolutionary with her pen. Sorry, I'll believe the studies and publications on this one over your personal stan opinion
collin Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 3 minutes ago, Lemon said: I am not sure who said this or what does that to have to do with your claim “her art does not make any changes in culture”? Also, not sure why we would be saying that Taylor doesn’t have artistical integrity? And moreover, OP basically is talking about being her massive relevance, so not sure what you are trying to imply. Other legends that people are shoving her next to because she has sold as much as them— they have legacies and changed ART. Taylor is changing things within the industry which is important and cool but as an artist she pales next to what Madonna, MJ, the Beatles etc. have done for music, art and culture. These people changed everything about how people digested and understood music. That is not what we’re seeing here. I’m not saying she’s incapable of eventually doing something bold as an artist but so far she has not matched what actual legends have done in music in their imperial phases.
collin Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, The Music Industry said: Sorry, I'll believe the studies and publications on this one over your personal stan opinion OK.
byzantium Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 19 minutes ago, collin said: If you want, I can throw you a bone and admit Taylor Swift’s impact on pop music juggernaut, Halsey. Considering you have already agreed to Olivia, seem like you are doing a lot of backtracking . Why do you feel so threatened by reality?
Trent W Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 35 minutes ago, Shelter said: I don’t agree. No one is close to him. I think people forget easily. I guess you’re right she isn’t the type of Popstar for those moments. I’m not coming for her success, it’s impressive and seeing a female do this well is always amazing. There is no proper way to do an Mj vs Taylor comparison commercially because the eras of consumption are completely different If we go by impact yes MJ destroys her by far, but Taylor is the only one comparable to him in the 2010s and 2020s commercially
Trent W Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 41 minutes ago, collin said: I just wish this phenomenon could happen with someone that’s interesting. I mean you don’t have to like her but yeah she’s definitely a phenomenon right now
Lemon Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 1 minute ago, collin said: Other legends that people are shoving her next to because she has sold as much as them— they have legacies and changed ART. Taylor is changing things within the industry which is important and cool but as an artist she pales next to what Madonna, MJ, the Beatles etc. have done for music, art and culture. These people changed everything about how people digested and understood music. That is not what we’re seeing here. I’m not saying she’s incapable of eventually doing something bold as an artist but so far she has not matched what actual legends have done in music in their imperial phases. I would say that having people highly consume your output for so long creates massive legacy, because at the end of the day, she is a musician, she creates music and being this much in talk regarding her music is ultimate achivement. Now, you may not see it that way and maybe you don’t even like that she is the one getting through this, which is fine and natural, but I think no musician would be shy of Taylor’s legacy.
collin Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 13 minutes ago, byzantium said: Considering you have already agreed to Olivia, seem like you are doing a lot of backtracking . Why do you feel so threatened by reality? There is nothing threatening about anything being discussed here, how about the fact that ocean temperature rose a degree in the past year?
Big Bad Wolf Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 4 hours ago, The Music Industry said: Yes, let's keep all conversations about the biggest artist in the world right now in one base thread. This will surely help the dying forum that is ATRL! It’s not dying!
Badgalbriel Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 16 minutes ago, Big Bad Wolf said: It’s not dying! Girl, anything that's not about Taylor Swift, Lady Gaga or Beyoncé doesn't even reach second page anymore.
Namie-Knowles Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 (edited) Is it possible that she'll be considered a legend around 2040-2050? Yes, she will be remembered for her massive popularity. Not necessarily her impact on music/society, her music, or her talent. She doesn't have any of those is massive quantities nor is she even known for those now. But what she will be remembered for is being such a popular act that it elevated her to legendary status. To deny she won't be considered a legend is silly. Edited June 18, 2023 by Namie-Knowles 1
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