Did Taylor just redefine what "imperial phase" means?

[Taylucifer]

the ones complaining about Taylor threads are the same ones putting the said threads in the trending topics 

 

Taylor runs ATRL 

[The Music Industry]

1 minute ago, Taylucifer said:

the ones complaining about Taylor threads are the same ones putting the said threads in the trending topics 

 

Taylor runs ATRL 

Like...  How hard is it to ignore a thread

[dirrtydiana]

2 hours ago, The Music Industry said:

You CANNOT be a Britney Spears stan and use the cheap "McDonald's !1!!!!!1!" comeback. It just doesn't work  Your fave's entire discography consists of microwaved demos prepared in writing camps and manufactured concepts developed by industry people. It doesn't get more basic than Britney Spears, and that's with her having next to no creative input in anything she does. Get some self-awareness

As basic as pandering to the low common denominator and loud privileged gen z girls? Idts

 

 

2 hours ago, Raspberries said:

You have GOT to stop lumping/sneaking Britney in with these names that all have shining legacies. You're only going to get her dragged more  

the legends themselves lump themselves with her so their word >>> yours 

 

2 hours ago, Raspberries said:

You are just throwing **** at the wall now. NSYNC, BSB and Britney lasted less than 10 years (and NSYNC had terrible stats outside of the US). And yes, she is also bigger than Beyoncé by a pretty large margin

 

Do you ever get tired of embarrassing yourself in these threads?

ofc the boybands had an expiration date, do you know how the music industry works? And I’m not gonna go again into how Britney hasn’t handled her career since 2004, that’s common knowledge here by now.

 

 

3 hours ago, Steve Johnson said:

You are so innocent hunny. Vibes & feels are more important than objective data here. 

Sis don’t you stan taylor who has a “vibes and feels” relationship with the number 13?

 

[dirrtydiana]

1 hour ago, The Music Industry said:

but what about iconic wigs or iconic outfits? That's what's important to us ATRL gays 

 

Jokes aside, let's add to this:

 

Is this supposed to be Madonna or britney shade? Because you should get banned for this pathetic attempt at putting their heavy impact in and outside of music to make tay look better. Just enjoy her imperial phase and gowns beautiful gowns while it lasts.

 

And at that user who said she surpassed beyonce long ago, no, she will not surpass her. she hasn’t surpassed adele or shania.
 

 

It’s insulting to compare her to people who had such a positive impact on the world, music and lgbt+ community for one. Madonna even got exiled by the pope  your fave is just enjoying the fruits of the labors of those who came before her and showing up to the party empty handed

Edited June 19, 2023 by dirrtydiana

[Badgalbriel]

4 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said:

Is this supposed to be Madonna or britney shade? Because you should get banned for this pathetic attempt at putting their heavy impact in and outside of music to make tay look better. Just enjoy her imperial phase and gowns beautiful gowns while it lasts.

 

And at that user who said she surpassed beyonce long ago, no, she will not surpass her. she hasn’t surpassed adele or shania.
 

 

It’s insulting to compare her to people who had such a positive impact on the world, music and lgbt+ community for one. Madonna even got exiled by the pope  your fave is just enjoying the fruits of the labors of those who came before her and showing up to the party empty handed

Taylor doesn't have to be controversial to be bigger than anyone else lol. 

You should really get on with the times and stop loving in 2003, sis

[dirrtydiana]

5 minutes ago, Badgalbriel said:

Taylor doesn't have to be controversial to be bigger than anyone else lol. 

You should really get on with the times and stop loving in 2003, sis

She couldn’t if she tried. Remember reputation? And I only brought that up because someone flaunted the Ticketmaster thing as if that helped anybody but capitalists, and no one from the real world as the impact of Madonna per se

[Badgalbriel]

1 minute ago, dirrtydiana said:

She couldn’t if she tried. Remember reputation? And I only brought that up because someone flaunted the Ticketmaster thing as if that helped anybody but capitalists, and no one from the real world as the impact of Madonna per se

The ticketmaster "thing" will impact every your tha happen from now on in the US if anything comes out of it. 

[Richie.Valdez]

I like Taylor.. im attending her concert, but god a good % of her fan base are the worst kind of humans walking on earth.

Edited June 19, 2023 by Richie.Valdez
.

[littlebodybigheart]

1 minute ago, Richie.Valdez said:

I like Taylor.. im attending her concert, but god a good % of her fan base are the worst kind of humans walking on earth.

nobody asked you this. that’s not what this thread is about.

 

ot: yes

[Richie.Valdez]

2 minutes ago, littlebodybigheart said:

nobody asked you this. that’s not what this thread is about.

 

ot: yes

And you are definitely part of that % 🤢🤮. 

[RobynYoBank]

Eras Taylor is giving 1960s Beatles 

[Cruel Summer]

I'm gonna gave to say yes - nobody's ever done it quite like this! I get why some people are big mad over it and making up excuses or are totally in denial, but that won't change it.

[EmailMySwift]

6 hours ago, dirrtydiana said:

Not at all. MJ, Madonna, Janet, Britney, the Beatles and so many more had imperial phases. She’s only taking advantage of the foundation laid before her and exploiting it with her many privileges. Only difference is her phase hallow and not warranted. It’s empty like her fans’ pockets afterwards because with the aforementioned, they left historical and cultural impact behind them. She’s the female version of Harry styles; both equivalent of biting into a burger and getting no patty, only bread.

 

4 hours ago, dirrtydiana said:

You just did. Eminem, Adele, add Ed Sheeran with the massive tour. Britney, nsync, bsb, Mariah, Celine, janet, all moved an insane amount of albums post MJ without the calculated tactics. She’s the it thing right now but she’ll never be bigger than beyonce who hasn’t moved as many units.

 

4 hours ago, dirrtydiana said:

Omg you must be a troll 

 

 

they all moved infinitely more pure units without the aid of streaming, embarrassing tactics and with one album at a time and not a dozen like her.

 

The last huge phenomenon was adele, point blank period.

 

not to mention none of the artists they mentioned went through a pandemic. If they did, and did re-recordings, their numbers would’ve surpassed the Beatles. Again, without the aid of streaming, digital, scandal, a million albums 

 

she’s literally Ed Sheeran with touring and Harry styles type of intense fan base + the re-recordings and multiple albums in a row

 

4 hours ago, dirrtydiana said:

like I said, a million releases, post pandemic touring hype, exploitation of her fans. Records are meant to be broken, look at Ed Sheeran. It truly feels undeserved; imagine selener having this huge success. i don’t blame tay tho, she’s a businesswoman after all. It’s her fans here who need a reality check. But don’t take my word for it. We’ll let time be the ultimate truth teller. 

 

4 hours ago, dirrtydiana said:

When facts hit nerves

 

4 hours ago, dirrtydiana said:

Time must be her other friend purring on her lap like Karma

 

4 hours ago, dirrtydiana said:

Do you know how to read? Why would I try to disprove that she’s the current it thing? Charts and the music industry are different right now, of course older faves didn’t achieve some of the things she’s taking advantage of right now. The only ones who look ridiculous here are the ones passing these achievements as their own as if she was going to share any of the profit with you. And you with the Katy avi, the best example of time being the ultimate truth teller 

 

4 hours ago, dirrtydiana said:

Well, some of them passed away before 2019 for one.. I-

 

4 hours ago, dirrtydiana said:

Sweetie, they were the peak of physical sales, they didn’t benefit from it like Taylor is with streaming, just look at all the artists with 1,2B streamed songs.

 

yes, records are meant to be broken. Madonna rightfully held it and some else in the future will take it from tay

 

4 hours ago, dirrtydiana said:

This post makes no sense. Is tay nearing anywhere near 22M equivalents with her 15 new releases?

and the only ones who sold more than britney at the time were the likes of Eminem, nsync, bsb. If the peak in sales was a valid excuse then where are all the diamond albums from all the other girls at the time? Why didn’t Janet’s 2001 all for you go diamond? 
like I said, good for her for enjoying success like Ed did with touring, harry did with his last few albums and pocketing from the working class

 

4 hours ago, dirrtydiana said:

In 20/30 years time people are gonna be looking back confused as to why someone like her is on those lists with the likes of TB, MJ and Madonna. Then the historians will discuss her excellent business moves.

 

3 hours ago, dirrtydiana said:

Same can be said for those religiously passing said success as their own as if they were getting a cut from it hihihi

 

adele did it and more impressively, no gimmicks just her actually great songwriting, her voice and her piano. 
 

because no one did a whole bunch of releases like her in one era

 

britney in 2001 didn’t pander or keep it safe for the masses like Taylor who isn’t facing the peak of piracy. She also didn’t do a full fledged tour that era due to promoting crossroads 

 

3 hours ago, dirrtydiana said:

Who was doing it at the time? She was one borrowed from Janet and Madonna and perfected the transition into adult pop star

 

3 hours ago, dirrtydiana said:

You really think she belongs amongst them? It gives Influencers at the met gala teas.

 

she won’t even come close to the women she’s modeled after, Shania Twain. It’s safe to say she won’t touch Madonna, MJ with her cute records that lost meaning over time 

 

3 hours ago, dirrtydiana said:

For her personally. When people look back, she’ll stand out being amongst legends like Shania, Whitney, Mariah, Madonna, Adele and not in a good way. 
 

why do y’all keep bringing up Britney? She’s literally the antithesis of Taylor. We all know why she stopped after 2004 so bringing her up and trying to bring her down with the “1999-2004” attack is moot

 

Exactly why it’s very jarring. She’s literally the McDonald’s of pop 🤷‍♀️ 

 

3 hours ago, dirrtydiana said:

Just like they go crazy for McDonald’s. Doesn’t mean it’s healthy 

 

Don’t know if this is directed at Madonna or Britney but either way it’s idiotic as you’re in this very forum stanning a woman both whom are here thanks greatly to Britney’s impact, needless to say madonnas.

 

Again, it’s common knowledge Britney hasn’t handled her own career properly since 2004

that’s thanks to Britney’s girl next door coming from nothing brand I-

taylor came from riches

 

It’s embarrassing you have to ask this being a member in her pop music forum stanning a woman who claims she’s hear greatly in part thanks to Britney and literally made use of britneys go to max martin and joseph. google is your friend.

 

and same can be said for miss shania/lana lite 

 

48 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said:

As basic as pandering to the low common denominator and loud privileged gen z girls? Idts

 

 

the legends themselves lump themselves with her so their word >>> yours 

 

ofc the boybands had an expiration date, do you know how the music industry works? And I’m not gonna go again into how Britney hasn’t handled her career since 2004, that’s common knowledge here by now.

 

 

Sis don’t you stan taylor who has a “vibes and feels” relationship with the number 13?

 

 

36 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said:

Is this supposed to be Madonna or britney shade? Because you should get banned for this pathetic attempt at putting their heavy impact in and outside of music to make tay look better. Just enjoy her imperial phase and gowns beautiful gowns while it lasts.

 

And at that user who said she surpassed beyonce long ago, no, she will not surpass her. she hasn’t surpassed adele or shania.
 

 

It’s insulting to compare her to people who had such a positive impact on the world, music and lgbt+ community for one. Madonna even got exiled by the pope  your fave is just enjoying the fruits of the labors of those who came before her and showing up to the party empty handed

 

24 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said:

She couldn’t if she tried. Remember reputation? And I only brought that up because someone flaunted the Ticketmaster thing as if that helped anybody but capitalists, and no one from the real world as the impact of Madonna per se

Are you ok?

 

I just got warned and restricted from posting for 2 days for saying Britney couldn't have pulled off Umbrella like Rih due to her nasally vocals IN A THREAD ABOUT HER PASSING ON UMBRELLA because I was being "belligerent" towards her but this trolling and spamming is acceptable? 

 

To answer the question, Taylor's imperial phase has lasted 17 years and counting so yes, she redefined imperial phases. No 2-year "peaks" for her. Her whole career is an imperial phase. 

 

[dirrtydiana]

4 minutes ago, EmailMySwift said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Are you ok?

 

I just got warned and restricted from posting for 2 days for saying Britney couldn't have pulled off Umbrella like Rih due to her nasally vocals IN A THREAD ABOUT HER PASSING ON UMBRELLA because I was being "belligerent" towards her but this trolling and spamming is acceptable? 

 

To answer the question, Taylor's imperial phase has lasted 17 years and counting so yes, she redefined imperial phases. No 2-year "peaks" for her. Her whole career is an imperial phase. 

 

Are you? 
 

Those are replies to other users. The spam and trolling here is being made by you, randomly taking most of the page with them. On top of that bringing up Britney in a taylor thread trying to shade her spreading incorrect information. Taylor’s imperial phase is a result in part due to the lockdown, it has not lasted 17 years. Or are you implying she surpassed shania when she was singing Tim McGraw and YBWM? 
 

as for that user who keeps bringing up her “impact” with Spotify, Apple and Ticketmaster, again, how is that helping the real world people? Did she lower her insane ticket prices? This only helps capitalists pocket more from the working class. #eattherich

[EmailMySwift]

2 hours ago, wehavetostan said:

The top 10 in question:

And this is not even her biggest era. 

In awe of the second biggest solo artist of all time who can easily become the biggest if she keeps this up. 

[More Than A Melody]

She redefined her own imperial phase.

 

And LMAO at people acting like Bad Bunny is even in the same conversation as actual worldwide pop stars. Benito is a non-entity outside of Spanish speaking countries, and I say this as someone born and raised in Chile. We're not even close to an artist that sings exclusively in Spanish dominating worldwide.

[MingYouToo]

I think the thread title could do with some rework.

 

Taylor redefined the imperial phase by basically implying that women are allowed to peak nearly 2 decades into their career. Madonna, Mariah, Gaga, Britney, etc. all peaked within their first decade.

 

Taylor Swift is officially at her biggest across all metrics, whether it be public adoration or commercial sales, 17 years into her career, with all 17 of those being in the complete spotlight.

[spree]

Taylor is a megastar, with a humungous fanbase that's just unfathomable really.  But the music itself is.....not that good?  I mean...Anti-Hero is a classic, but Lavender Haze, Karma, and Cruel Summer are supposed to be megastar-worthy?  To me they're just album tracks.

[MingYouToo]

If Taylor Swift keeps up this level of ubiquity in singles, albums, touring and celebrity cultural presence for the entire 2020s it wouldn't be far out to say she's on the level of Michael Jackson and The Beatles.

 

Try as you may while Taylor will never reach the monolith like stature of Madonna in the mid 80s, MJ or the Beatles. The mere fact that Taylor is 17 years into her career and is experiencing not just a big, but the BIGGEST moment of her career after having massive eras like Fearless, the most awarded country album of ALL time and 1989, the biggest era of the 2010s period, speaks volumes as to how massive she is and deserving of that status.

[FightDragonsWithMe]

1 hour ago, dirrtydiana said:

Are you? 
 

Those are replies to other users. The spam and trolling here is being made by you, randomly taking most of the page with them. On top of that bringing up Britney in a taylor thread trying to shade her spreading incorrect information. Taylor’s imperial phase is a result in part due to the lockdown, it has not lasted 17 years. Or are you implying she surpassed shania when she was singing Tim McGraw and YBWM? 
 

as for that user who keeps bringing up her “impact” with Spotify, Apple and Ticketmaster, again, how is that helping the real world people? Did she lower her insane ticket prices? This only helps capitalists pocket more from the working class. #eattherich

And what has your fave done for the real world or impacting it in any way outside of endorsing Bush 

[LosingHimWasBlue]

8 hours ago, Insanity said:

Swifties go 24 hours without creating a bragging thread challenge 

suffer 

[suburbannature]

18 minutes ago, MingYouToo said:

If Taylor Swift keeps up this level of ubiquity in singles, albums, touring and celebrity cultural presence for the entire 2020s it wouldn't be far out to say she's on the level of Michael Jackson and The Beatles.

 

now sis

[Headlock]

3 hours ago, Namie-Knowles said:

Is it possible that she'll be considered a legend around 2040-2050? Yes, she will be remembered for her massive popularity. Not necessarily her impact on music/society, her music, or her talent. She doesn't have any of those is massive quantities nor is she even known for those now. But what she will be remembered for is being such a popular act that it elevated her to legendary status. To deny she won't be considered a legend is silly. 

Not you implying Taylor is famous for being famous  She is massively popular BECAUSE of her music, they are inextricably linked 

[Into The Void]

11 minutes ago, LosingHimWasBlue said:

suffer 

Thats not the flex u think it is lol

[Nova_23]

some of the comments in this thread 

 

y’all really be trying to downplay how huge this woman is by saying she’s not the beatles, MJ or Madonna. A few years ago she was being compared to her peers and y’all tried downplaying her then too. She has surpassed all her peers so now its “well she’s not as big as the beatles MJ or Madonna,” like okay? her career isn’t even done yet with no signs of slowing down and the comparisons to those legends have started.

 

When it’s all said and done she’ll probably be just as big if not bigger than those artists. the numbers literally prove that. whether it’s album sales, touring numbers, hit songs, and of course streaming. you’re delusional if you think otherwise. Of course with ATRL, numbers don’t mean anything because it’s always about cultural impact when it comes to Taylor 

 

so now the same posters keep talking about impact this and impact that but when people actually give you examples of “impact” y’all don’t like it cause it doesn’t fit into what you guys want ie some celeb pop cultural moment which literally means nothing in the grand scheme of things vs bringing about change within the music industry with spotify, apple music, her re-recordings, ticket master etc Anyone in the music industry will tell you Taylor’s impact is that she’s an artist’s artist. There’s a reason why she’s very well liked and respected by her peers.

 

But I know that doesn’t mean anything either so let’s move onto how society views her….

 

Her lyrics get studied in college courses in the US. Her career has actually been studied by business students too because of business savvy she is.

 

If she didn’t have any impact what’s so ever then why would her career and music be studied in this way? Why do her peers view her so highly and respect her? Why is she always the talk of the town whenever her music is about to drop? Why is her tour right now literally an event? I can go on and on…

 

Idk what y’all want from this woman but just because she doesn’t fit into the traditional mold of your definition of being culturally relevant or having impact doesn’t mean she isn’t having it. 

 

And I think that’s what makes her career so fascinating. She’s been extremely successful with peak after peak and being impactful in her own way. 

 

And saying all of the above doesn’t take away from what The Beatles, MJ or Madonna (or any artist for that mattered) have accomplished. They’re legends in their own ways.

Edited June 19, 2023 by Nova_23