discussion Who will the Democrats/GOP push as their frontrunner in 2028?

[jakeisphat]

Regardless of whether the Democrats or Republicans win the 2024 presidential election, in 2028, the amount of candidates with major name recognition will be relatively slim. In every modern presidential election, each major party has had their hand-picked candidate, even if that candidate failed to win the primary. For instance, in 2008 the Democrats pushed Hillary Clinton only for her to be beaten by Obama, then in 2016, the GOP pushed Jeb Bush only for him too flop and Trump to win the nomination. 

 

With Trump and Biden no longer in the field, who will each party push as their frontrunner in 2028?

[byzantium]

Dems would probably try to amend the constitution to run Biden again than support anyone born after the end of WWII.

[Azulito]

AOC vs MTG 2028

[45seconds]

Gavin is their honest to God best shot. He’s the only one after Biden who would be able to defeat Desantis 

[Nashe]

Alexandria FTW!! She's such a queen!

[Communion]

19 minutes ago, 45seconds said:

Gavin is their honest to God best shot. He’s the only one after Biden who would be able to defeat Desantis 

Polls have Biden losing to DeSantis and Newsom with his made-in-a-lab facade would too. 

[Adrian]

50 minutes ago, Marvin said:

AOC vs MTG 2028

Screaming. Imagine the MESS

[Helios]

Thats like 5 years away who the hell knows? Can we get through 2024 first?

[Helios]

Not people here still quoting the Polls.  

[45seconds]

15 minutes ago, Communion said:

Polls have Biden losing to DeSantis and Newsom with his made-in-a-lab facade would too. 

…polls? Okay lol. 

[Communion]

2 minutes ago, 45seconds said:

…polls? Okay lol. 

 

4 minutes ago, Helios said:

Not people here still quoting the Polls.  

Polls have largely been accurate and remain accurate. It's the reporting and editorial commentary of said polls that caused surprise in 2016 - not the polls themselves. Polls generally accurately predicted every 2022 Senate race (the only outlier was them missing Florida being more +R by a significant difference) AND predicted that the red wave was never going to manifest. @Bloo has already had to correct one of you for spreading misinformation that polling is somehow not an accurate science. 

[Helios]

Just now, Communion said:

 

Polls have largely been accurate and remain accurate. It's the reporting and editorial commentary of said polls that caused surprise in 2016 - not the polls themselves. Polls generally accurately predicted every 2022 Senate race (the only outlier was them missing Florida being more +R by a significant difference) AND predicted that the red wave was never going to manifest. @Bloo has already had to correct one of you for spreading misinformation that polling is somehow not an accurate science. 

What happened to the ReD WaVe of 2022?  Nobody is scared of those two Republican fatties. 

[Communion]

Just now, Helios said:

What happened to the ReD WaVe of 2022? 

..it didn't happen, just like pollsters showed it wasn't going to? Like I just said? 

 

You literally ran away from another member - a mod at that - when they also previously corrected you on the misinformation you kept claiming to prop up your aversion to data science:

 

 

[Helios]

15 minutes ago, Communion said:

..it didn't happen, just like pollsters showed it wasn't going to? Like I just said? 

 

You literally ran away from another member - a mod at that - when they also previously corrected you on the misinformation you kept claiming to prop up your aversion to data science:

 

 

Cable news was telling everyone the red wave was coming. The fear tactics arent working anymore.  

[Communion]

Just now, Helios said:

Cable news was telling everyone the red wave was coming.

What does that have to do with the nonfactual nature of your claim polls are inaccurate?

[Fishtail]

Here comes.. President Joe Biden!

 

[Helios]

6 minutes ago, Communion said:

What does that have to do with the nonfactual nature of your claim polls are inaccurate?

Well apparently they were quoting polls too.  

[Bloo]

43 minutes ago, Helios said:

Well apparently they were quoting polls too.  

A lot of pundits in 2022 commonly said, "Polls are fake news, a red wave is obviously coming," despite the fact that the polls suggested otherwise. Guess which was right?

 

This is not the ironclad rebuttal to the soundness of polling that you think it is.

[Helios]

9 minutes ago, Bloo said:

A lot of pundits in 2022 commonly said, "Polls are fake news, a red wave is obviously coming," despite the fact that the polls suggested otherwise. Guess which was right?

 

This is not the ironclad rebuttal to the soundness of polling that you think it is.

I mean cherry picking polls doesnt help your cause either. Unfortunately, most people dont care about polls in 2023.

[Rep2000]

5 hours ago, jakeisphat said:

Regardless of whether the Democrats or Republicans win the 2024 presidential election, in 2028, the amount of candidates with major name recognition will be relatively slim. In every modern presidential election, each major party has had their hand-picked candidate, even if that candidate failed to win the primary. For instance, in 2008 the Democrats pushed Hillary Clinton only for her to be beaten by Obama, then in 2016, the GOP pushed Jeb Bush only for him too flop and Trump to win the nomination. 

 

With Trump and Biden no longer in the field, who will each party push as their frontrunner in 2028?

It's bold of you to assume Trump would be gone by 2028. Unless he's in prison and/or got Epstein-ed, that grifter is here to stay.

[ClashAndBurn]

If Trump loses in 2024, he’ll probably try again in 2028. Who’s gonna stop him? The Meatball? He would be even far more likely to win that time too, with Kamala Harris as his most likely opponent.   
 

If Trump wins, I could see Republicans trying to carve out a specific exception to the 22nd Amendment to let him run again, and the Democratic bench will still be even more unelectable than Biden, so he’d easily win a third term in that scenario if they managed to succeed.

 

All that being said, Democrats will be campaigning from a position of weakness. The economy will either be completely collapsed or all of their legislative accomplishments will be undone by the deal necessary to prevent this crisis. All thanks to the Democrats’ failure to do anything about this disaster ahead of them losing the House. All of this will be a result of Joe Biden being an extremely weak and ineffective president.

[Bears01]

7 hours ago, Communion said:

 

Polls have largely been accurate and remain accurate. It's the reporting and editorial commentary of said polls that caused surprise in 2016 - not the polls themselves. Polls generally accurately predicted every 2022 Senate race (the only outlier was them missing Florida being more +R by a significant difference) AND predicted that the red wave was never going to manifest. @Bloo has already had to correct one of you for spreading misinformation that polling is somehow not an accurate science. 

Eh……https://www.270towin.com/2022-governor-polls/arizona

 

https://www.inquirer.com/politics/election/senate-debate-pennsylvania-oz-fetterman-20221102.html?outputType=amp
 

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3716038-oz-passes-fetterman-for-first-time-in-post-debate-pennsylvania-poll/amp/
 

https://thehill.com/homenews/3724032-heres-where-the-polls-stand-in-some-key-2022-senate-races/amp/
 

https://www.newsweek.com/arizona-poll-blake-masters-holds-slim-lead-over-mark-kelly-first-time-1757245?amp=1
 

They largely predicted that every battleground senate race would be a nail biter, and other than NV and WI, they were dead wrong in that regard 

[ClashAndBurn]

20 minutes ago, Bears01 said:

Eh……https://www.270towin.com/2022-governor-polls/arizona

 

https://www.inquirer.com/politics/election/senate-debate-pennsylvania-oz-fetterman-20221102.html?outputType=amp
 

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3716038-oz-passes-fetterman-for-first-time-in-post-debate-pennsylvania-poll/amp/
 

https://thehill.com/homenews/3724032-heres-where-the-polls-stand-in-some-key-2022-senate-races/amp/
 

https://www.newsweek.com/arizona-poll-blake-masters-holds-slim-lead-over-mark-kelly-first-time-1757245?amp=1
 

They largely predicted that every battleground senate race would be a nail biter, and other than NV and WI, they were dead wrong in that regard 

<20k votes in Arizona isn’t a nail-biter? What? Kari Lake barely lost. Mark Kelly had a better margin, sure, but he was saved by incumbency. 

 

it’s extremely underrated how hard Democrats were carried by the Dobbs decision. That’s not going to save them forever. In fact, if Biden is losing to Trump in polls when they generally always favor Democrats, that’s a sign of major trouble. Especially considering we haven’t even defaulted yet. 

[Bears01]

6 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

<20k votes in Arizona isn’t a nail-biter? What? Kari Lake barely lost. Mark Kelly had a better margin, sure, but he was saved by incumbency. 

 

it’s extremely underrated how hard Democrats were carried by the Dobbs decision. That’s not going to save them forever. In fact, if Biden is losing to Trump in polls when they generally always favor Democrats, that’s a sign of major trouble. Especially considering we haven’t even defaulted yet. 

I meant in regards to the senate races. I posted the AZ gov as an outlier because Kari Lake mostly lead in every poll by an average margin of 2-3 points 

[Beyonnaise]

Probably no one on that list. It's still very early, and whether it's Biden or Trump, appetite for something new will be very stong. Someone will probably come out of nowhere.

 

Obama was a once in a generation kind of politician and the party has been trying and failing to groom milquetoast people in his image for years. It has to happen organically. I'm not even gonna relitigate the Bernie situation from the last two elections but he clearly connected with people in a unique way and signaled that it doesn't ultimately matter if someone is black or white, old or young, polished or unpolished, etc., as long as they connect on the message.