base talk Kylie is serving everything Madonna should be

[bestfiction]

Not gonna stir the pot but let me just say that Madonna still outperforms Kylie in every single metric: sales, touring stats, celebrity status, acclaim etc

[Josh]

6 hours ago, wanderlust said:

she doesn't even have a song with Cardi..

 

and for madame x she experimented with fado musicians, Mirwais, people from Cape Verde.. 

 

[wanderlust]

4 minutes ago, Josh said:

 

She never worked with cardi.

[Diocles]

Kylie has TABS, MADonna could never

[Mystic Boy]

3 hours ago, tiagol88 said:

The thing about Madonna is that she doesn't give a **** about her audience. She would never do another Confessions as damage control. 

And also...even if her albums are bad, her tours aren't. It's frustrating to see MDNA and Rebel Heart and Madame X and watch such great shows...but the albums behind them being badly polished, rushed, weird production choices, etc.

 

Say what you want but Madame X on paper is such an amazing concept. A secret agent traveling the world, with multiple identities, multiple looks for the entire era in each one of the videos, etc...but everything was executed so badly. I feel like Madonna still is the same creative force she was before and she's still great at it...but clearly she's just not well surrounded to bring out her ideas anymore as she once was. 

 

Beyonce with that same concept would have an amazing visual and musical era for her. 

 

I blame her management as well. Not just Madonna.

Madonna could never do a COADF again,please dont be the delusional Madonna stan kind of. Or she would need an earth shatttering ego questionning.

And YES Madame X was a good concept on paper and was executed VERY badly and that's what is thread is about. She still has some good ideas but CANT execute them like she used to. 

Madonna will always be Madonna and ive stanned her for most of my life, but dwelling on denial and acting hysterical anytime someone has a opinion on her like some miserable trolls on this thread is useless

 

 

2 hours ago, GlamSlam said:

at that user whining after being called out on his BS and pretending he isn't using this thread as a weapon to bash Madonna.

 

Unless he was being shallow by talking about facial procedures and messy IG posts, I'd love to know how Kylie has handled her 50's better when she's only 54, and all she's given us is the generic Disco and an album no one's heard yet? The lead single is no different to all the other pop ditties she's been churning out for the past 20 years, so why would Tension be any different?

 

At 50, Madonna gave us Hard Candy, and a massive sellout world tour that became the highest-grossing concert tour in history by a female artist. If she had the same taste, focus and drive as Kylie did, we would never have got the critically acclaimed masterpieces Like a Prayer and Ray of Light albums. She'd be forced to regurgitate the same old dance bops time and time again to keep her gay fans amused for 5 minutes. She wouldn't be a strong willed, level headed business woman with a global empire either, she'd be a little known act that's only been successful in a handful of countries, pondering on whether to make a guest appearance in the final episode of an old TV series she used to be in. The delusion is staggering.

Seek help

[Taylor fanboy]

Why single out Madonna?

 

KYLIE stomping on her peers with passion, productivity, and power!

[ICLDXU4HS]

Neither have been serving like I wish they were after Confessions/Aphrodite. What Kylie does is mostly boring to me, but there have been a couple highs here and there and at least it feels earned and dignified. Madonna... just no. 

[Jooj]

12 hours ago, Josh said:

Hard Candy, MDNA, Madame X and Rebel Heart arent outside the box

The first two arent. The last two (especially Madame X) definetly are.

 

O.T: Madonna's recent outputs are very underrated. Kylie is a pop music expertise at this point but Madonna continues to constantly reinvent herself and experiment with her music and thats genuinely impressive for someone whose first album came out 40 years ago.

[GlamSlam]

17 hours ago, Mystic Boy said:

Madonna could never do a COADF again,please dont be the delusional Madonna stan kind of. Or she would need an earth shatttering ego questionning.

And YES Madame X was a good concept on paper and was executed VERY badly and that's what is thread is about. She still has some good ideas but CANT execute them like she used to. 

Madonna will always be Madonna and ive stanned her for most of my life, but dwelling on denial and acting hysterical anytime someone has a opinion on her like some miserable trolls on this thread is useless

 

Seek help

The sheer hypocrisy and lack of self awareness considering you spend most of your time arguing and moaning about anyone who says anything slightly shady about your fave, so I suggest you take your own advice and "seek help", Darlink.

 

Madonna has never done a sequel to COADF (or to any of her other albums) so I guess we'll never know, but that's the beauty of being a fan of the someone who never repeats herself - aka - the most successful female artist in the music industry.

 

A world music album like Madame X is far beyond the comprehension of those who like to shake their mussy's to generic dance music on weekends, so we wouldn't expect anything else. Someone else said that "explaining Madame X to certain folk would be like teaching algebra to chickens" and they're 100% correct. lmao.

 

Edited May 20, 2023 by GlamSlam

[Josh]

2 minutes ago, GlamSlam said:

The sheer hypocrisy and lack of self awareness considering you spend most of your time arguing and moaning about anyone who says anything slightly shady about your fave, so I suggest you take your own advice and "seek help", Darlink.

 

Madonna has never done a sequel to COADF (or to any of her other albums) so I guess we'll never know if she could do better, but that's the beauty of being a fan of the someone who never repeats herself - aka - the most successful female artist in the music industry.

 

A world music album like Madame X is far beyond the comprehension of those who like to shake their mussy's to generic dance music on weekends, so we wouldn't expect anything else. Someone else said that "explaining Madame X to certain folk would be like teaching algebra to chickens" and they're 100% correct. lmao.

 

she sure loves doing Hard Candy rehashes and insists on performing Candy Shop 

[GlamSlam]

9 minutes ago, Josh said:

she sure loves doing Hard Candy rehashes and insists on performing Candy Shop 

We're talking about the creation of music albums, not tour performances.

[Mystic Boy]

1 hour ago, GlamSlam said:

 

 

A world music album like Madame X is far beyond the comprehension of those who like to shake their mussy's to generic dance music on weekends, so we wouldn't expect anything else. Someone else said that "explaining Madame X to certain folk would be like teaching algebra to chickens" and they're 100% correct. lmao.

 

Edited May 19, 2023 by Mystic Boy

[EmailMySwift]

14 hours ago, God_Donna said:

Kylie will never have a 4 minutes 

4 minutes is fine but not that special. Kylie has better 

[Riverbank]

The fact that we're still comparing them in 2023 when they're basically polar opposites  Both occupy very different spheres of the same pop world and they've only overlapped for a few occasions. Kylie emanates joy and positivity through her music which you can't help but enjoy, whereas Madonna is more provocative in nature and doesn't shy away from sparking conversations about deeper themes (religion, spirituality, sex etc).

[LikeaRebel]

No.

[Dark Miracles]

Making a statement like this off the back of a song like Padam Padam coming out is a choice

 

Even Madonna's worst albums have gems that are much better than this (Beautiful Killer, Crazy, God Control,...)

[MotoPapi]

I love both and most Madge fans I know like Kylie and viceversa so I will not be baited 

 

they’re different artists with different approaches to their art. 

[wanderlust]

4 hours ago, Mystic Boy said:

Madonna could never do a COADF again,please dont be the delusional Madonna stan kind of. Or she would need an earth shatttering ego questionning.

And YES Madame X was a good concept on paper and was executed VERY badly and that's what is thread is about. She still has some good ideas but CANT execute them like she used to. 

Madonna will always be Madonna and ive stanned her for most of my life, but dwelling on denial and acting hysterical anytime someone has a opinion on her like some miserable trolls on this thread is useless

 

 

Seek help

wtf?

if she did it before why couldn't she do it now? what kind of logic is that? just listen to the vocals she sent for dua lipa's levitating remix. that showed she can. her voice sounds just like confessions. she's not even trying there, as it's not her project, just a favour for another pop girl. she's just not interested in "easy" for her own projects

[Lady Claire]

Kylie doesn't overthink concepts, she just knows her fans and gives them the bops they want.

 

Madonna still tries but comes off as tacky with her risks and ideas that stopped working in 2005.

[iammadmat]

Madonna and Kylie are VERY different in a lot of ways, Kylie's discography post-2006 is miles better than Madonna's, but besides that Madonna clears easily, M has done everything there's to do as a female popstar and nobody comes close as of now and it doesn't look like someone will ever come close to her tbh, she's allowed to experiment and even fail with whatever she does with her music however I do wish she would still give us great albums like kylie has been doing for the past decade, love my girl Kylie but padam padam is absolutely atrocious. 

[iammadmat]

11 hours ago, wanderlust said:

She never worked with cardi.

she's part of song with cardi b on quavo's album tho. 

[wanderlust]

8 hours ago, Lady Claire said:

Kylie doesn't overthink concepts, she just knows her fans and gives them the bops they want.

 

Madonna still tries but comes off as tacky with her risks and ideas that stopped working in 2005.

 

willing to fail, to be daring and to push the boundaries are the indicators of an artist..  that’s why we love her.

 

Edited May 20, 2023 by wanderlust

[JayG]

On 5/19/2023 at 4:39 AM, Josh said:

Hard Candy, MDNA, Madame X and Rebel Heart arent outside the box

Madame X absolutely is, the rest are not

[GlamSlam]

14 hours ago, EmailMySwift said:

4 minutes is fine but not that special. Kylie has better 

and so does Madonna.

None of Kylie's songs could even touch Madonna's lesser hits, nevermind the likes of Vogue, Like a Prayer, Live to Tell or Frozen and so on.

[BnPac]

Madonna try different things, they may not always work but she's so diverse. 

From her refusing to stay on that box, might come some great work down the line. 

She's a bit obtuse and refuses to listen to her audience but she's still very interesting imo. I wish she would be as polished musically as she's interesting but it will come I think. 

 

Two different artists but Madge is still the QoP.