Nashe Posted May 13 Posted May 13 I wonder what the televote points would've looked like if Joost competed afterall. Certainly Croatia would've received like more in the 230-250 range.
anti-bitch Posted May 13 Posted May 13 6 minutes ago, thismoment said: Tattoo's streaming record will never be broken, we won What was the highest daily streams for it?
Gwendolyn Posted May 13 Posted May 13 Dizzy still didn't make it into the UK Spotify Top 50, Olly's finished
thismoment Posted May 13 Posted May 13 4 minutes ago, anti-***** said: What was the highest daily streams for it?
POPTART Posted May 13 Posted May 13 5 minutes ago, Hurem said: I wouldn't say Croatia was underrated per se, though the rankings by Belgium, Spain, and Portugal, placing it 18th, 19th, and 20th respectively, don't sit right with me. The main issue was Switzerland receiving so many points that it was impossible for anyone to challenge their win. Even though Latvia and Serbia had jury baits, they received only 36 and 22 points respectively. The jury votes weren't spread around enough to allow competition. Furthermore, the concept of jury baits is more flawed than ever. With a televote-only system in the semis, many countries are at a disadvantage because they rarely receive good public scores. They have to rely on gimmicky songs to go to the finals, where they are then pushed down by the juries. The system is broken and clearly favors certain countries over others. All of this. What's really interesting in this situation (and somewhat last year), is how something as subjective as music made juries across different cultures and music influences decide Switzerland had the best song. It's just not realistic. Especially considering the public vote in those countries was very different. After Osterdahl's recent interview, it is very clear to me that there are some big games with EBU behind the scenes. He talked about financial struggles of Eurovision and safety of it (not to mention how he said Sweden had to win last year). It's not hard to put 2 and 2 together and see a bigger picture. 2 6 1
greeneyedsoul Posted May 13 Posted May 13 Lower numbers compared to last year. I guess people were happy that it ended and that Israel didn't win and stopped there. ESC can't go on with Israel participating while committing genocide at the same time. We can't have this mess every year. 2 2
abelfenty Posted May 13 Posted May 13 3 minutes ago, POPTART said: All of this. What's really interesting in this situation (and somewhat last year), is how something as subjective as music made juries across different cultures and music influences decide Switzerland had the best song. It's just not realistic. Especially considering the public vote in those countries was very different. After Osterdahl's recent interview, it is very clear to me that there are some big games with EBU behind the scenes. He talked about financial struggles of Eurovision and safety of it (not to mention how he said Sweden had to win last year). It's not hard to put 2 and 2 together and see a bigger picture. Are you not embarrassed? All week you were claiming you had "tea" that Switzerland's odds were "manipulated" and yet they still won. Take your L and move on 3
fa77ot Posted May 13 Posted May 13 https://www.politico.eu/article/ebu-accused-of-handing-gift-to-enemies-of-europe-by-banning-union-flags-in-eurovision-final/
Fevesy Posted May 13 Posted May 13 6 minutes ago, Gwendolyn said: Dizzy still didn't make it into the UK Spotify Top 50, Olly's finished Like it's really bad for him.. I Wrote A Song was still a moderate hit. Still haven't heard Dizzy on the radio once and I heard IWAS a bunch. After all this he won't even to be able to give us generic radio fodder like Sweet Talker cause he's getting lashed from all fronts. Acting it is from now on
POPTART Posted May 13 Posted May 13 1 minute ago, abelfenty said: Are you not embarrassed? All week you were claiming you had "tea" that Switzerland's odds were "manipulated" and yet they still won. Take your L and move on Embarrassed about what? I claimed that I had the tea once, and it could still very well be true after all. They were 4th in semi and 5th in the final by public vote, only to win thanks to massive jury support decided by 200 people. If you don't see an issue with that, that's on you. 4 1
Pendulum Posted May 13 Posted May 13 4 minutes ago, abelfenty said: Are you not embarrassed? All week you were claiming you had "tea" that Switzerland's odds were "manipulated" and yet they still won. Take your L and move on What's embarrassing is Nemo winning whilst being 5th with the public 4 1 1
illia Posted May 13 Posted May 13 5 minutes ago, Pendulum said: What's embarrassing is Nemo winning whilst being 5th with the public The fact that Armenia scored more than Nemo in the semi is funny 1 1
nasa Posted May 13 Posted May 13 8 minutes ago, Pendulum said: What's embarrassing is Nemo winning whilst being 5th with the public Key word winning 3
abelfenty Posted May 13 Posted May 13 10 minutes ago, POPTART said: Embarrassed about what? I claimed that I had the tea once, and it could still very well be true after all. They were 4th in semi and 5th in the final by public vote, only to win thanks to massive jury support decided by 200 people. If you don't see an issue with that, that's on you. I don't see an issue with that because it's been a 50/50 split for about 15 years now. You're supposed to appeal to both the jury and televoters to win overall. There's no guarantee the televote winner will be the winner overall 2
POPTART Posted May 13 Posted May 13 4 minutes ago, abelfenty said: I don't see an issue with that because it's been a 50/50 split for about 15 years now. You're supposed to appeal to both the jury and televoters to win overall. There's no guarantee the televote winner will be the winner overall In an ideal situation, I agree. However, if you reverse the score - say you're #1 in the televote and #5 in jury - you would be very unlikely to win this way. And that's the issue.
chessguy99 Posted May 13 Posted May 13 1 hour ago, Hurem said: 2023: *people angry at the juries giving Loreen so many points that it's hard for anyone to catch up* 2024: *juries giving Nemo even more points than they gave to Loreen* I wonder if there will be an outcry to eliminate the jury altogether. Not only did the jury winner beat out the the televote winner, this year they did it by only being fifth in the televote. I've found only one instance of the winner not being first or second in the televote. That was 2015 where Sweden was 3rd in televote, but dominated the jury vote. I sort of remember that after that year people started to question if the jury had to much influence in determining the winner.
igninton Posted May 13 Posted May 13 50 minutes ago, Hurem said: I wouldn't say Croatia was underrated per se, though the rankings by Belgium, Spain, and Portugal, placing it 18th, 19th, and 20th respectively, don't sit right with me. I've seen people mentioning this a lot and it literally happens every year with some of the most successful acts. Italy's juries put Chanel last or second to last in 2022, for example.
Kristie Kuwa Posted May 13 Posted May 13 (edited) Lbr for once: Tattoo + The Code as winners >>>>>>> Cha Cha and Rim Ting Taga Dim Dim or whatever that song is called Like, u cant deny the quality of the winning songs like that which actually give the Eurovision credibility and dont turn it into a joke competition Edited May 13 by Kristie Kuwa 8 2
Fevesy Posted May 13 Posted May 13 The surge in odds happened after their first televised performance where they sang the song perfectly from start to finish while running and jumping around the stage in a terrible outfit. It was obvious from that point on that they'd be a contender and the potential jury winner. I bet on Switzerland when I saw one of their TikTok's where they hit the high notes/operatic part at the end which was a couple of weeks beforehand and the odds were still eh but still 4th
zzmyth Posted May 13 Posted May 13 PRETTY DECENT numbers for Nemo. I didn't expect them to be that high tbh.
Pendulum Posted May 13 Posted May 13 well to be fair, The Code is much more sonically challenging and unique compared to RTTD with its pirated FL Studio production
illia Posted May 13 Posted May 13 I wonder if RTTG's almost win encourages other countries to keep trying and sending Cha Cha Cha's and Rim Tim Tagi DIm's copies next year
Benjamin Posted May 13 Posted May 13 It's not the Jury's fault that there were barely any good songs submitted to the competition this year or last. It's not like there were many options for the juries to pick from, maybe if countries started sending good songs again the jury scores would be more spread out. (Though Ireland deserved the jury praise this year and France last year, much more than the songs they decided to go for.) 1
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