Lovett Posted April 29, 2023 Posted April 29, 2023 35 minutes ago, Orsay said: I think we as a society need to take a stand against these horrible Disney live action remakes being force fed to us. I hope they all flop and I know in my heart they are all completely devoid of true art. Sorry, no personal feelings! Or you could just not watch things you're not interested in and let those who are interested in them, enjoy them. You talk about no personal feelings, but your entire argument is an arrogant need to mould everything around your own personal taste. Clearly, there is an appetite for these movies, as they're all huge successes. If they're not for you, that is fine. But trying to get them all cancelled because you don't want them is so weird. There's so much content out there for you to enjoy, go focus on that.
Miracle Posted April 29, 2023 Posted April 29, 2023 (edited) Not a Disney adult by any means, but The Little Mermaid is the movie of my childhood and I'll be watching this even if just for the nostalgia Edited April 29, 2023 by Miracle
RockStarShit101 Posted April 29, 2023 Posted April 29, 2023 1 hour ago, Orsay said: I think we as a society need to take a stand against these horrible Disney live action remakes being force fed to us. I hope they all flop and I know in my heart they are all completely devoid of true art. Sorry, no personal feelings! nothing is forcing you to watch them, though.
Gorjesspazze9 Posted April 29, 2023 Posted April 29, 2023 1 hour ago, Aristotle said: Why such a huge gap in predictions? This is how every major blockbuster is. There is always a 30M leeway from the high end to the low end. Also there is a 4 day weekend that will push it from $90M to $125M if it performs as expected
Hans. Posted April 29, 2023 Posted April 29, 2023 (edited) the original was not that popular so idk why some people expect this to hit 1b. I can see this finish in the 600-700m range between Cinderella and maleficent if the movie is good, snow white will bomb tho Original Remake The Lion King (1994) (2019) $968,511,805 $1,663,075,401 Beauty and the Beast (1992) (2017) $424,967,620 $1,266,115,964 Aladdin (1992) (2019) $504,050,219 $1,054,304,000 The Jungle Book (1967) (1994) (2016) $205,843,612 $43,229,904 $967,724,775 Sleeping Beauty (1959) Maleficent (2014) $51,600,000 $759,853,685 Cinderella (1950) (2015) $96,383,330 $542,358,331 Mulan (1998) (2020) $304,320,254 $69,965,374 The Little Mermaid (1989) (2023) $211,343,479 Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937) (2024) $184,925,486 the songs also not as huge as the other films also disney underperforming these days (from their animations, Marvel, Star Wars, and these live actions), and because of Disney+ too this month and next month are also stacked with movies competing for screens so I don't think it'll have good legs May 26: The Little Mermaid June 2: Spider-verse June 9: Transformers June 16: The Flash, Elemental June 30: Indiana Jones and Mario still going strong. Obviously, the demographics for these movies are different but they will take turns taking more screens in the theaters This will do ok in North America but international markets will drop very fast Edited April 29, 2023 by Hans.
shyboi Posted April 29, 2023 Posted April 29, 2023 11 minutes ago, Hans. said: the original was not that popular so idk why some people expect this to hit 1b. I can see this finish in the 600-700m range between Cinderella and maleficent if the movie is good, snow white will bomb tho Original Remake The Lion King (1994) (2019) $968,511,805 $1,663,075,401 Beauty and the Beast (1992) (2017) $424,967,620 $1,266,115,964 Aladdin (1992) (2019) $504,050,219 $1,054,304,000 The Jungle Book (1967) (1994) (2016) $205,843,612 $43,229,904 $967,724,775 Sleeping Beauty (1959) Maleficent (2014) $51,600,000 $759,853,685 Cinderella (1950) (2015) $96,383,330 $542,358,331 Mulan (1998) (2020) $304,320,254 $69,965,374 The Little Mermaid (1989) (2023) $211,343,479 Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937) (2024) $184,925,486 the songs also not as huge as the other films also disney underperforming these days (from their animations, Marvel, Star Wars, and these live actions), and because of Disney+ too this month and next month are also stacked with movies competing for screens so I don't think it'll have good legs May 26: The Little Mermaid June 2: Spider-verse June 9: Transformers June 16: The Flash, Elemental June 30: Indiana Jones and Mario still going strong. Obviously, the demographics for these movies are different but they will take turns taking more screens in the theaters This will do ok in North America but international markets will drop very fast oh i always thought the little mermaid was super popular! Ariel seems more popular than other disney princesses
Aethereal Posted April 29, 2023 Posted April 29, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Hans. said: the original was not that popular so idk why some people expect this to hit 1b. I can see this finish in the 600-700m range between Cinderella and maleficent if the movie is good, snow white will bomb tho Original Remake The Lion King (1994) (2019) $968,511,805 $1,663,075,401 Beauty and the Beast (1992) (2017) $424,967,620 $1,266,115,964 Aladdin (1992) (2019) $504,050,219 $1,054,304,000 The Jungle Book (1967) (1994) (2016) $205,843,612 $43,229,904 $967,724,775 Sleeping Beauty (1959) Maleficent (2014) $51,600,000 $759,853,685 Cinderella (1950) (2015) $96,383,330 $542,358,331 Mulan (1998) (2020) $304,320,254 $69,965,374 The Little Mermaid (1989) (2023) $211,343,479 Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937) (2024) $184,925,486 That's not a good strategy when predicting/assuming box office. The Beauty and the Beast outperformed Aladdin and did 75% of TLK. And original 90s TJB did less than TLM wheras it's remake nearly reached 1B dollars in box office. Also DVD sales were very profitable back then. The Princess and the Frog broke even at nearly the end of it's cinema run and only made a small profit from it. Later DVD/CD sales brought 1/2 of cinema numbers so it was quite profitable in the end. A 1B box office would've been very likely secured had Ariel been white and redhead. I hope it breaks even, at minimum. And DVD sales will bring some profit. Otherwise, Halle seems like a very sweet girl I hope she does not take it at heart. Edited April 29, 2023 by Aristotle
ICLDXU4HS Posted April 29, 2023 Posted April 29, 2023 1 hour ago, Hans. said: the original was not that popular so Every Western household with children owned a Little Mermaid VHS in the 90s, bffr.
Hans. Posted April 29, 2023 Posted April 29, 2023 (edited) the character is popular sure but not the movie compared to Lion King, Aladdin, and Beauty & The Beast And not the Western household when I was talking about WW also, this is about the box office so why did you guys bring up DVD & VHS, the number is right there Edited April 29, 2023 by Hans.
Johnnyboi Posted April 29, 2023 Posted April 29, 2023 600 - 700 mil is my prediction. Not a bomb but nothing extraordinary. China has given up on all Hollywood movies besides Avatar so a big chunk of its box office isn’t there.
Material Girl Posted April 29, 2023 Posted April 29, 2023 none of the disney remakes have bombed at the box office and it's not about to start with one of their most popular stories
Da Vinci Posted April 29, 2023 Posted April 29, 2023 1 hour ago, Hans. said: the character is popular sure but not the movie compared to Lion King, Aladdin, and Beauty & The Beast And not the Western household when I was talking about WW also, this is about the box office so why did you guys bring up DVD & VHS, the number is right there Because the box office prospects of the remakes depend on the nostalgia for the brand itself and the characters and songs The box office success of the originals shouldn't solely indicate the remake's success Like someone pointed out, BATB 2017 remake outgrossed Aladdin 2019 despite Aladdin 1992 outgrossing BATB 1991 back then You can't say TLM 1989 was not that popular when it literally started the Disney Renaissance and started that momentum of the world tuning in to each new entry The Big 4 Disney Renaissance movies each outgrossed their predecessor until it reached a fever pitch/highest peak with The Lion King 1994 What if, let's say, Aladdin 1992 and TLM 1989 swapped release dates, who knows, maybe TLM 1992 would outgross Aladdin 1989 instead especially after BATB 1991's Oscar hype which further added to that momentum Before TLM 1989 was released, Disney was hit or miss or even having panned bombs like The Black Cauldron (1985) and TLM was even predicted to underperform After TLM 1989 was released, Disney had a newfound prestige and renewed public interest for future projects and the box office increases per entry reflected that (The Rescuers Down Under doesn't count cause it's a sequel to a 1977 film pre-TLM 1989 ) So basically TLM 1989 walked (on land ) so the other 3 subsequent movies can RUN Now with THAT being said, I am also on the fence on whether TLM 2023 will gross $1B, but mostly due to genre fatigue and the loss of that novelty factor cause of endless remakes throughout the 2010s. But the timeless story and iconic songs (Part of Your World and Under the Sea are just as huge as the other Renaissance songs what are you talking about? ) are enough to make it a success, maybe in the $700M to $900M range? We'll see
PopMusicJunkie Posted April 29, 2023 Posted April 29, 2023 4 hours ago, ICLDXU4HS said: Every Western household with children owned a Little Mermaid VHS in the 90s, bffr. !!! For many it was also their first Disney movie theater experience.
Aethereal Posted April 29, 2023 Posted April 29, 2023 18 hours ago, CarCAL22 said: the subtle racism LOL Halle is beyond qualified. Young, beautiful, and the voice of an absolute angel. I wonder what else she would need to make you like her... I am a grown man and I don't care about a fictional mermaid's race. But Ariel's look and especially her hair was a very iconic image of her. Hypothetically if they picked a blonde and pale girl to play Esmeralda (mind you some Romani people have pale skin) would you have an issue with that? Not a rhetorical question, I really curious on your opinion.
CarCAL22 Posted April 29, 2023 Posted April 29, 2023 31 minutes ago, Aristotle said: I am a grown man and I don't care about a fictional mermaid's race. But Ariel's look and especially her hair was a very iconic image of her. Hypothetically if they picked a blonde and pale girl to play Esmeralda (mind you some Romani people have pale skin) would you have an issue with that? Not a rhetorical question, I really curious on your opinion. If a fictional character's race is integral to their story and experiences then you could have an argument. Ariel's skin color is not relevant to the context of the story in any way. She is also a mermaid from a fictional undersea kingdom. We cannot find any authentic mermaids to play her... because the entire universe is made up and her skin color has zero importance. Also, this new version does not erase the disney's interpretation of the character and story, which changed A LOT of the original danish fairlytale Esmeralda's character is more so based on reality of being a Romani girl (who actually existed), even though she is more a temptress above all other aspects of her character (which I can people seeing that as a problematic depiction to begin with). I'm not that well versed in her character so I can't have too much of an informed opinion here, but I would understand people having an opinion on her character's race more than Ariel's.
Lovett Posted April 29, 2023 Posted April 29, 2023 56 minutes ago, Aristotle said: I am a grown man and I don't care about a fictional mermaid's race. But Ariel's look and especially her hair was a very iconic image of her. Hypothetically if they picked a blonde and pale girl to play Esmeralda (mind you some Romani people have pale skin) would you have an issue with that? Not a rhetorical question, I really curious on your opinion. 99% of old-school Disney cartoon characters are white and your question is "Would you be unhappy if one of the handful of non-white/light skin characters was played by a blonde-haired, white woman"? Seriously? These whataboutism questions are always so damn ridiculous.
Pheromosa Posted April 29, 2023 Posted April 29, 2023 The movie became the scapegoat for the culture war so it is what it is
simon Posted April 29, 2023 Posted April 29, 2023 (edited) I usually don’t comment about things like this but Halle’s relationship with DDG has ruined this for me. He has been extremely disrespectful to her, cheated on her, disrespectful to her fans on Twitter by cussing them out, calling them ugly and b**ches (just because they have defended her and asked why she is with him). All of that for her to stay with him and defend him. Many in The black community are confused and it’s just has taken away from her being a “princess” for me. I can’t explain it. There is also a fatigue of the Bailey sisters (which is also mostly Chloe’s fault) I wish the film the best, and she sound amazing!! Edited April 29, 2023 by simon
Aethereal Posted April 29, 2023 Posted April 29, 2023 27 minutes ago, MrLovett said: 99% of old-school Disney cartoon characters are white and your question is "Would you be unhappy if one of the handful of non-white/light skin characters was played by a blonde-haired, white woman"? Seriously? These whataboutism questions are always so damn ridiculous. IDK maybe if this underperforms it might refrain Disney from being more inclusive with original stories in the future. Even that new princess had a very cheap animation compared to Tangled which was released 13 years ago. I thought it was a Disney+ streaming only movie. Had Halle been the image (she has a very unique look) and the voice of an actual new CGI princess similarly like Moana (which is my favorite CGI princess) it would've been much better. Also princess Tiana had, IMO, the worst storyline among the 2D princesses. Or at least one of the worst. She remains a frog for the most time. I think a new princess would've been much better and needed for that matter. Now they picked a Latina to play Snow White, if they decide to lighten her skin because of the backflash the recent movies have received that would be very awkward.
worldwide angel Posted April 29, 2023 Posted April 29, 2023 the way people have been hypercritical about the tlm remake already screams racism i have never seen so many people complain about lighting, set design and how the animals look until now it looks even more ridiculous when the trailer itself looks much more lively compared to the leaks and the people have seen it are enamored by it i can get having critiques about the film from what we've seen but the way the girls are frothing at the mouth for it to fail is so disturbing and to then try and hide behind "objectivity"
GraceRandolph Posted April 29, 2023 Posted April 29, 2023 5 minutes ago, worldwide angel said: the way people have been hypercritical about the tlm remake already screams racism i have never seen so many people complain about lighting, set design and how the animals look until now it looks even more ridiculous when the trailer itself looks much more lively compared to the leaks and the people have seen it are enamored by it i can get having critiques about the film from what we've seen but the way the girls are frothing at the mouth for it to fail is so disturbing and to then try and hide behind "objectivity" Some of the backlash is racism, but some of it is fatigue with Disney remakes.
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