halcyonday Posted April 18, 2023 Posted April 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, Love Again said: I mean Dua only has 2 albums out and hasn’t reached the cult hype and NFR like YEC list acclaim yet, when she’s a little further in her career, we can discuss it Doesn’t change the fact that I believe that Lana is extremely overrated and that her songwriting is extremely one dimensional what's the range of dua's lyricism? what's the range of topics that she has covered in her two albums (nnn, not her debuting almost a decade ago and still having only two albums ) cuz if you wanna come for lana's "one dimensional songwriting" when she showed several topics even on the latest album (family, life and death, heartbreak, escapism, sex, womanhood, spirituality, loneliness, self worth), then what the **** is so diverse about dua's topics? girlie's been releasing the same dance tracks for a decade now and you're coming for someone who will run circles around her talent 6 minutes ago, Axelios said: BTD had terrible lyrics but it was panned by critics aside from Video Games. UV too. She only started to get critical acclaim later with NFR. BTD is actually getting acclaimed in retrospective reviews
suburbannature Posted April 18, 2023 Posted April 18, 2023 21 minutes ago, Love Again said: Lana Del Rey has been singing about the exact same topics on every single album with slight tweaks here and there. NFR is her only real masterpiece. BTD and UV are not these masterpieces they’re made out to be. Most of the lyrics on those albums are ridiculously stupid ‘im a sad girl i’m a bad girl i’m a sad girl’ the hell is that? Lorde ended her in terms of creativity and artistry. I literally laughed out loud.
Axelios Posted April 18, 2023 Posted April 18, 2023 Just now, halcyonday said: BTD is actually getting acclaimed in retrospective reviews Sure, but at that point we could also put Katy Perry Teenage Dream in the conversation with a lot of critics today acting like it's some underrated pop masterpiece. I was mainly talking about the reception at the time.
Robburro Posted April 18, 2023 Posted April 18, 2023 22 minutes ago, Love Again said: Lana Del Rey has been singing about the exact same topics on every single album with slight tweaks here and there. NFR is her only real masterpiece. BTD and UV are not these masterpieces they’re made out to be. Most of the lyrics on those albums are ridiculously stupid ‘im a sad girl i’m a bad girl i’m a sad girl’ the hell is that? Lorde ended her in terms of creativity and artistry. this
zasderfght Posted April 18, 2023 Posted April 18, 2023 (edited) I'm known for writing essays, so I'll try to keep this short: Blackout is easily the most overrated pop album of these choices, and here's why. #0 (a #0 meaning it's irrelevant to why I dislike the album). It's not acclaimed. To be critically acclaimed, you need at least an 81 on Metacritic. Maybe by Britney's fans it's acclaimed, but critical and user/fan acclaim are totally different. #1. Who is actually listening to songs as dated as Get Naked, Heaven on Earth, Toy Soldier, Hot As Ice, and Ooh Ooh Baby in 2023? I know I'm not! Gimme More is a classic. That's all I'll say about that. Lana being overrated? COCC and NFR! are legitimately great and creative albums. It's a shame Ocean didn't keep its 81/82, but we'll stay on topic here with critical acclaim. Billie's debut actually deserved the Grammy that year. Not a single dud on that album and theme/concept of the album is super cool. Her follow-up wasn't quite as good, but Oxytocin, Therefore I Am, I Didn't Change My Number, NDA, and Happier Than Ever are all pretty great. I even like the slower tracks like Getting Older and Hailey's Comet. Dua, at first, yes. Her first album is a dud, but Future Nostalgia is pretty solid. Bey, with self-titled, yes. Still a good album, but Lemonade and Ren. blow ST completely out of the water. Lemonade and Ren. are like the best albums on this poll. Adele's only critically acclaimed album is 30. And yes, that Metacritic score is like insanely high. Good album but 21 and 25 were way better. CRJ hasn't released a critically acclaimed album, but Emotion & Dedicated (their Side Bs) and The Loneliest Time are all fun in their own right. T.S.'s version of Red, folklore, and evermore are truly great. Midnights? Not so much. I actually almost hate it. Gaga? Again, hasn't had a critically acclaimed album, but The Fame Monster is excellent. Chromatica is fun and gets way too much hate on here. Everything else is kinda mid. Madonna? Like a Prayer and Ray of Light are truly great pop albums, as are the first 3 Madonna albums and Confessions, so no. Tl;dr: The albums that are actually acclaimed like 30 and Self-Titled are overrated but still good albums. Happier Than Ever, Billie's duet, Madonna's LAP + ROL, Future Nostalgia, COCC, and NFR! are all actually very good. Edited April 18, 2023 by zasderfght
Power love Posted April 18, 2023 Posted April 18, 2023 Blackout for sure. Stripped was out streaming it for the longest time. Let’s not forget the lies about it being introduce into the “Hall of frame “but it’s just the library . The album was a massive decline & straight rip off of Nellys iconic Loose released one year before hmm. If you take away Gimme More the streams would plummet to under the earth’s core.
Brikenbur Posted April 18, 2023 Posted April 18, 2023 Not The Hive Mind creating this targeted () thread but yes
halcyonday Posted April 18, 2023 Posted April 18, 2023 1 minute ago, Axelios said: Sure, but at that point we could also put Katy Perry Teenage Dream in the conversation with a lot of critics today acting like it's some underrated pop masterpiece. I was mainly talking about the reception at the time. Okay, but the tea is that critics were anti-pop and highly sexist before the poptimism came, so tons of albums of 2000s or early 2010s like Born To Die were dragged because the critics were coming after Lana herself and not the music she was releasing. But now that everyone and their mother can get an album with more than 70 or 80 on MC for some safe basic pop album, they go back and they're like "oh yeah, of course, it's always been amazing but we needed these albums to make massive impact and have immortal longevity on charts to make sense to us".
zasderfght Posted April 18, 2023 Posted April 18, 2023 26 minutes ago, Love Again said: Lana Del Rey has been singing about the exact same topics on every single album with slight tweaks here and there. NFR is her only real masterpiece. BTD and UV are not these masterpieces they’re made out to be. Most of the lyrics on those albums are ridiculously stupid ‘im a sad girl i’m a bad girl i’m a sad girl’ the hell is that? Lorde ended her in terms of creativity and artistry. If Lana just released Born to Die and Ultraviolence, I'd agree with you completely, but sis, NFR!, COCC, and Ocean are all right there. Honeymoon, Lust for Life, and Blue Banisters even have deep cuts that are not just about toxic, coked-out older men or abusive partners. Also, Solar Power was terrrrrrrible. I will give Lorde that Pure Heroine was a decent debut and Melodrama was even better, but Lorde really missed the mark with SP.
John Slayne Posted April 18, 2023 Posted April 18, 2023 T-Swift by far. Her songwriting is so overrated, she has a good pop sensibility and can write catchy, universally relatable pop songs, which is definitely a talent/skill in its own right, but I'm gonna need critics (and the GP) to stop pretending like she's some sort of musical genius I'm sorry but her albums do not deserve all those 80s and 90s on metacritic
Axelios Posted April 18, 2023 Posted April 18, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, halcyonday said: Okay, but the tea is that critics were anti-pop and highly sexist before the poptimism came, so tons of albums of 2000s or early 2010s like Born To Die were dragged because the critics were coming after Lana herself and not the music she was releasing. But now that everyone and their mother can get an album with more than 70 or 80 on MC for some safe basic pop album, they go back and they're like "oh yeah, of course, it's always been amazing but we needed these albums to make massive impact and have immortal longevity on charts to make sense to us". By 2012, there were already a lot of pop albums that were well received and taken seriously by critics like Gaga Born This Way. For me the criticism towards BTD was fair especially when it comes to the lyrics and it's not like all the album was panned as I mentioned Video Games was always really praised by critics but I agree that UV was somewhat overhated due to the perception that it was "glorifying abusive relationships". Edited April 18, 2023 by Axelios
John Slayne Posted April 18, 2023 Posted April 18, 2023 12 minutes ago, zasderfght said: Blackout is easily the most overrated pop album of these choices, and here's why. #0 (a #0 meaning it's irrelevant to why I dislike the album). It's not acclaimed. To be critically acclaimed, you need at least an 81 on Metacritic. Maybe by Britney's fans it's acclaimed, but critical and user/fan acclaim are totally different. Blackout was panned at the time of its release but it has been getting a lot of retrospective acclaim. Many people (including critics) have grown to appreciate the album a lot more, especially given the context in which it was made. Media (and this includes many music publications) were just too eager to drag Britney so they panned Blackout but eventually came to admit that it is actually a very good pop album.
thetea Posted April 18, 2023 Posted April 18, 2023 i think that albums like red, lover and midnights are over acclaimed. Red has great songs, but as an album, it's all over the place and jumps genres quickly. 22 shouldn't come straight after All Too Well. lover is not a great album and midnights is pretty good. folklore / evermore / speak now are great though.
Blue Jeans Posted April 18, 2023 Posted April 18, 2023 As a Lana stan I am biased and have no right to say that.. Adele does not excite me. Every few years she has a massive commercial and critical success comeback with the same music and vocals. Iirc, after Born to Die's commercial success Lana was offered to work with Adele's producers and declined and came out with a dark one take desert rock album instead of polished mainstream ballads. But Adele is an all-time legend and a talented singer.
Jynx Posted April 18, 2023 Posted April 18, 2023 Lana Del Rey Madonna Britney's Blackout album Dua Lipa All mediocre and over-praised for being basic and boring.
Cheers Posted April 18, 2023 Posted April 18, 2023 Taylor - no reason why RED (TV) has a 91 when the original only had a 77 . Beyonce - Renaissance with a 91 Adele - why does 30 have an 88 They have great albums (except Adele) but they could release anything and critics will say it's perfect
Jynx Posted April 18, 2023 Posted April 18, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Jynx said: Lana Del Rey Madonna Britney's Blackout album Dua Lipa All mediocre and over-praised for being basic and boring. Ew. i forgot ADELE. Edited April 18, 2023 by Jynx
Rei Posted April 18, 2023 Posted April 18, 2023 Beyoncé, her music is mid at best. Also Dua, her music is terrible. K bye for now, Sunshine. <3
brazil Posted April 19, 2023 Posted April 19, 2023 Taylor. Beyonce is amazing and deserves acclaim, but critics and the media do go overboard with her and the whole "second coming of jesus" narrative
brazil Posted April 19, 2023 Posted April 19, 2023 19 minutes ago, Cheers said: Taylor - no reason why RED (TV) has a 91 when the original only had a 77 . 30 deserves tho!
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