base talk Was Taylor's choice of lover in the Lover mv disingenuous?

[mael]

31 minutes ago, cockatoo said:

Well she fake dated Tom Hiddleston for like 3 months so would it have been too hard to do that with someone non-white? 

this is why we never take OTHs seriously. at least play the part competently

 

[moo]

4 minutes ago, Thinking Of You said:

Oh absolutely.

 

Taylor Swift at one point was the epitome of tokenism. The 2014 VMAs performance is a prime example. All of those men, but only one Black dancer. Her performances: one Black background singer. One Black girl in her “girl squad”.

 

She’s very careful and specific about her branding. She played the game. We get it. There’s no point in denying it. She’s including more diversity now, but she loved having a token Black person just enough to “satisfy” people. That’s how a lot of white media was for decades. 

She's had multiple black backup singers, some gainfully employed with Taylor going back over 10 years, who are prominently displayed in almost all of her concerts and performances. Guess that doesn't count.

[Thinking Of You]

1 minute ago, moo said:

She's had multiple black backup singers, some gainfully employed with Taylor going back over 10 years, who are prominently displayed in almost all of her concerts and performances. Guess that doesn't count.

Well, you do have a point. You have to have the sistahs back you up to create a better sounding performance because the lead lacks in the voice department.

 

It counts. 

[Joyride]

OP is serving this, but with black people

 

[Andre2000]

He was gay so "wAs He DiSEngenIoUs??1" by kissing a girl?

 

And wtf do you want black people to do exactly? Not get cast? Embarrassing ass attention seeking thread

[Taylena]

47 minutes ago, Sesame said:

Y’all probably also the ones to erase peoples bisexuality too if they haven’t dated someone of the same gender. 
 

She has never dated a woman she’s not actually bisexual!! 

Yep.

[Brooklyn Baby]

It's a literal music video  she is also a friend/fellow artist of hers who is opening for her on tour

[a_d_22]

istg y’all just wanna complain all the time. taylor performs in ways to show her inclusivity (see her eras tour dancers and sets), and also this is a friend of hers that she personally knows

[moo]

10 minutes ago, Thinking Of You said:

Well, you do have a point. You have to have the sistahs back you up to create a better sounding performance because the lead lacks in the voice department.

 

It counts. 

Should really try to stick to one tired Taylor drag per thread, else the mods should probably just create a Taylor hate megathread where OTHs can jerk themselves in one place without jizzing all over the whole site.

 

But yes, all your favs use backup singers (when they're not using backing tracks) too. How often do they sing alone with just a their own guitar or piano playing?

[latingrl2005]

1 hour ago, cockatoo said:

Taylor was hailed as progressive for including a black man in the Lover music video as her romantic partner. The odd thing about this is that every single one of her public relationships has been with a white man. Isn't this the very definition of performative activism?

 

 

Why aren't black women require to date white men? 

[terrorblade]

i mean wbk. interesting how she never kisses any of them tho

[CrimsonX]

Yes. Her whole persona is calculated. Honestly I’m disappointed because I kind of trusted these celebs at one point but I’m seeing they’re all frauds. Everything’s fixed. Taylor always wins. It’s getting boring. Music has been boring for a while now, especially since the charts became so stagnant and we've had these longer running hits. Now everyone’s scoring a blinding lights sized hit.

[alejandreaux]

ATRL and Twitter are the only places on Earth where i can imagine this being a big deal 

[The Music Industry]

2 hours ago, Monday Night Messiah said:

Yes. She repeated it in "Willow" and "Lavender Haze." It's so performative.

So are you suggesting she should just keep using white actors as love interests then? Or would you then be complaining about a lack of diversity? It's damn if she does, damn if she doesn't with some of y'all

[Phaunzie]

 

Yes 

[Thinking Of You]

47 minutes ago, moo said:

But yes, all your favs use backup singers (when they're not using backing tracks) too. How often do they sing alone with just a their own guitar or piano playing?

My favorite artists don’t use backup singers as an emergency hotline. 

Regardless, of course it was performative. Just as her tokenism is.

[yonsé]

 

2 hours ago, Richie.Valdez said:

BBC just for show 

Not this 

[WildHeart]

23 minutes ago, Thinking Of You said:

My favorite artists don’t use backup singers as an emergency hotline. 

Well that's for the best. They spend enough money with +20 writers, they shouldn't have to spend more to hire even more people 

[Riverbank]

3 hours ago, MadonnasBoyfriend said:

She did continue to have white love interest irl

As long as they're not 15yo

 

[Cleanromantic]

2 hours ago, moo said:

Should really try to stick to one tired Taylor drag per thread, else the mods should probably just create a Taylor hate megathread where OTHs can jerk themselves in one place without jizzing all over the whole site.

I agree with this. There's always been frequent Taylor hate threads but something in the OTHs' brain broke since the tour started and we have 2/3 "Taylor sucks/ is overrated/ talentless/ the devil..." each day now... How is that not redundant? At least give atrl, which is basically 80% oth at this point, a thread for members to cope and stop the continuous vitriol towards her from clogging the site with repetitive topics that are beaten to a pulp.

Edited April 13, 2023 by Cleanromantic

[Into The Void]

This thread is probably the dumbest I've seen in a while

[littlebodybigheart]

if the op is not black this thread is in really poor taste…

[Thinking Of You]

1 hour ago, Artistofthedecade said:

Well that's for the best. They spend enough money with +20 writers, they shouldn't have to spend more to hire even more people 

20+ writers? My favorite artists don’t have that.

[FightDragonsWithMe]

2 hours ago, Thinking Of You said:

My favorite artists don’t use backup singers as an emergency hotline. 

Regardless, of course it was performative. Just as her tokenism is.

Okay ATRL User Thinking Of You named after a white woman named Katy Perry who had a more inauthentic "woke" Era than Taylor did during Lover. 

[Aren]

She filmed a music video in literal Africa that only included white people. I guess she’s trying to make up for that?