Bang Up Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 Just now, Espresso said: The American people who made sure he was a one-time President? They really believe the majority of Americans are on Trump's side when they've shown time and time again they're not. Love the MAGA logic that this will help him win in 2024. Because, you know, what Americans thought in 2020 was totally, "if only Trump was indicted we would vote for him".
Breathe On Moi Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 25 minutes ago, Harrier said: The cringe brunch liberal deep in me needs a sassy Hillary Clinton tweet today with Nancy replying with “ “ in the comments
Bears01 Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 4 minutes ago, Communion said: Turnout was actually *up* in 2022 from the last non-Trump mid-term, 2014 - 36% vs 45% (+9). The issue is that the anti-Trump effect dwindles. Turnout fell 5% from 2018 to 2022. There's also the reality that 2022's map was inherently favorable to Dems in a way 2023 won't be, though we've been through that over and over at this point already. But the more important note is that 45% isn't your floor - years like 2014 at 36% turnout is your floor. And there's room to easily reach back to that floor as "but Trump" becomes a less effective electoral strategy. And with the electoral college, there's a much smaller journey from a roof of 61% (2020) vs 56% (2016). Sis, it was an R+3 year nationally where democrats won a state trifecta in Michigan for the first time in 4 decades, and flipped the governor mansion in Arizona, you can’t use the senate makeup as an excuse for that
HEAVYONIT Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 It’s a sad day when we’re excited to see a former President indicted but the damage he has done to this country is undeniable so it needs to happen
Indie Go Mind Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 2 hours ago, GustavoBardusco said: The clock is ticking YAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSS!
Rotunda Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 (edited) Okay so my big thought is that this may help Trump in the primary, but it doesn’t help Trump in the general. Everyone who is still considered a generic Republican will be expected to defend Trump’s innocence and rally against his “unjust” prosecution. It’s very hard to make the rhetorical distinction that Trump is being scapegoated and a victim of a witch hunt while also making the claim that you don’t stand behind him to be president. I don’t pity the speechwriters or political strategists who will be working with DeSantis, Haley, and whoever else to make that case. With that said, there’s nobody in the country that doesn’t have an opinion on Trump at this point. He was the president during Covid-19 and the insurrection. Anyone who considers themself a moderate or someone willing to split a ticket has already established their opinion on Trump. For them, the question isn’t Biden vs. Trump, it’s whether or not they vote or sit home. The suburbs aren’t getting any redder with the prospect of four more years of Trump and that’s the demographic needed to turn Georgia red again. People are tired, and Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Arizona have only gotten more Blue-friendly since 2016. If Biden loses, it’ll because he sucked at motivating people to vote, not because Trump was able to win over swing voters. Edited March 30, 2023 by Rotunda
Communion Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 Just now, Bears01 said: Sis, it was an R+3 year nationally where democrats won a state trifecta in Michigan for the first time in 4 decades, and flipped the governor mansion in Arizona, you can’t use the senate makeup as an excuse for that Change in demographics of individual states aren't precursors for the performance of presidential candidates. Especially when Biden isn't legislating like a Michigan Democrat.
Breathe On Moi Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 ok but like can we stop speculating about his chances at winning anything and focus on the fact that he may be in jail and not be able to do anything? can we speculate on that? can we? huh? can we? ugh yall hoes tire me out
FameFatale Posted March 31, 2023 Posted March 31, 2023 1 minute ago, Breathe On Moi said: ok but like can we stop speculating about his chances at winning anything and focus on the fact that he may be in jail and not be able to do anything? can we speculate on that? can we? huh? can we? ugh yall hoes tire me out You can be in jail and be president Nothing in the constitution against it
Bears01 Posted March 31, 2023 Posted March 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, Communion said: Change in demographics of individual states aren't precursors for the performance of presidential candidates. Especially when Biden isn't legislating like a Michigan Democrat. I agree with you on that, I don’t know why you’re trying to fight with me. All I literally said was: I don’t think this changes any swing voters minds
Bang Up Posted March 31, 2023 Posted March 31, 2023 (edited) 23 minutes ago, stevyy said: he's already leading Biden by some points and this indictment means that he will win now... the media coverage that this man gets is insane. Gilead-Reps will also united behind him and from here on out, Mr. President Donald Trump can do whatever he wants. The genocide against LGBTQ is already underway. Next up, Latinos, then African Americans, then liberals. America has ended. There is absolutely no sound logic behind this. Do you really think the majority of Americans who didn't vote for him in 2020 did so because "he wasn't indicted"? You think those people are going to magically change their mind now that he's being held accountable? Worms for brains. Republicans and their attacks on women, LGBTQ people, and their continued refusal to do anything about guns, is all Dems need to leverage to win in 2024. The mid-terms were a sign of the shift happening in the US and there's no sign of that shift stopping. As loud as the GOP can be online and in the media, the votes are what matter, and the votes aren't on their side. 5 minutes ago, Communion said: Change in demographics of individual states aren't precursors for the performance of presidential candidates. Especially when Biden isn't legislating like a Michigan Democrat. It absolutely is a precursor when the states we're seeing changes in are the battleground states you must win in order to become President: PA, WI, MN, and MI. Edited March 31, 2023 by Bang Up
Specter Posted March 31, 2023 Posted March 31, 2023 Just now, Breathe On Moi said: ok but like can we stop speculating about his chances at winning anything and focus on the fact that he may be in jail and not be able to do anything? can we speculate on that? can we? huh? can we? ugh yall hoes tire me out Though I agree with some of the deeper analysis going on in here, I must say these are my current, temporary thoughts. Please. Just LET us enjoy this, for the FIVE MINUTES that this news has broken for. Is it too much to ask? That one user a few pages ago essentially posting "congrats guys!" in the most bitter tone, while going off about de-dollarization? Angry people? PLEASE.
Communion Posted March 31, 2023 Posted March 31, 2023 20 minutes ago, Bloo said: I agree with you. But I think that this is more of a commentary of incompetencies of the Democratic Party. I ultimately think if Trump is sent to prison (which I think he should be, it would be nice to see a president be held accountable for once anyway), it won't change much in terms of the political vacancy of America. But one possible problem is that Democrats double down on decorum and respectability politics even more than they would normally do. That's a huge problem but it's a problem that would rise up regardless of this decision in my opinion. I just don't think that looking at this indictment and just thinking, "Well, this is only going to help Trump," is productive or thoughtful. Oh, I agree, but I think it's just people having a reaction to others' reaction to the news, not to the news itself. It's like "yay!" but then seeing people go "YAS NOW THERE'S NO WAY BIDEN CAN **** 2024 UP!!" and having a pit in your stomach cause, well......
Bang Up Posted March 31, 2023 Posted March 31, 2023 1 minute ago, Phantom said: Though I agree with some of the deeper analysis going on in here, I must say these are my current, temporary thoughts. Please. Just LET us enjoy this, for the FIVE MINUTES that this news has broken for. Is it too much to ask? That one user a few pages ago essentially posting "congrats guys!" in the most bitter tone, while going off about de-dollarization? Angry people? PLEASE. Well, there are some people who do everything they can to see something bad for Dems no matter what happens. Trump being indicted = "let me try to figure out how this spells doom for Dems". They're more focused on Dems than the party trying to eradicate trans people, all while claiming to be progressive and a trans ally.
A Bomb Posted March 31, 2023 Posted March 31, 2023 (edited) All I can say is I’m hoping this sets a new precedent. Hope there’s room in that jail cell for the rest of the criminal Presidents we’ve had. With George W. being next to be locked up Edited March 31, 2023 by A Bomb
Bears01 Posted March 31, 2023 Posted March 31, 2023 10 minutes ago, Rotunda said: Okay so my big thought is that this may help Trump in the primary, but it doesn’t help Trump in the general. Everyone who is still considered a generic Republican will be expected to defend Trump’s innocence and rally against his “unjust” prosecution. It’s very hard to make the rhetorical distinction that Trump is being scapegoated and a victim of a witch hunt while also making the claim that you don’t stand behind him to be president. I don’t pity the speechwriters or political strategists who will be working with DeSantis, Haley, and whoever else to make that case. With that said, there’s nobody in the country that doesn’t have an opinion on Trump at this point. He was the president during Covid-19 and the insurrection. Anyone who considers themself a moderate or someone willing to split a ticket has already established their opinion on Trump. For them, the question isn’t Biden vs. Trump, it’s whether or not they vote or sit home. The suburbs aren’t getting any redder with the prospect of four more years of Trump and that’s the demographic needed to turn Georgia red again. People are tired, and Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Arizona have only gotten more Blue-friendly since 2016. If Biden loses, it’ll because he sucked at motivating people to vote, not because Trump was able to win over swing voters. ^^^^you just about nailed everything I tried to and wanted to say.
Communion Posted March 31, 2023 Posted March 31, 2023 5 minutes ago, Bang Up said: Republicans and their attacks on women, LGBTQ people, and their continued refusal to do anything about guns, is all Dems need to leverage to win in 2024. *nervous laughter*
Communion Posted March 31, 2023 Posted March 31, 2023 6 minutes ago, Bang Up said: It absolutely is a precursor when the states we're seeing changes in are the battleground states
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