alejandreaux Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Espresso said: reminder that Obama holding a selfie stick for a video in 2015 was considered “undignified” and “a new low for the juvenile president” by Fox News. but Trump potentially getting a mugshot for a criminal offense makes him an “OG” and a “badass” to them they are such a f**king joke it’s embarrassing
Vermillion Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 9 minutes ago, Communion said: Not him running to defend the man who called him a pedophile. He saw the internal polling for the primary (No, not that Fox one either). There's enough of Trump's voters that won't get in line. Simple as that. Hell of a balancing act though, good luck to him on that.
ATRL Moderator Azulito Posted March 30, 2023 ATRL Moderator Posted March 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, Harrier said: Agree 100% with this. I get the points being made that this might help him in some very populist corners of the country, but it's very speculative. We are so far out it's hard to say. I could be equally speculative and argue that this might hurt him a lot with voters that aren't that politically tuned in. Criminally indicted? It's just a very bad look. Look how much the Comey investigation hurt Hillary. But also I don't really know. Bottom line is Trump has committed many crimes and I'm glad he's going to be held accountable for once. Took the words right out my mouth
FameFatale Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 This is going to stir up his base even more. I wouldn’t be shocked if they start making flags and shirts with his mugshot with Trump 2024 all over it. So exhausting. He could be IN JAIL for 25 years and they’d still want him as president again.
Harrier Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 The cringe brunch liberal deep in me needs a sassy Hillary Clinton tweet today
Communion Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Bloo said: Frankly, I don't understand people looking at this and just reducing it to being a political benefit to Trump. His core base is already beyond activated and excited to vote for him anyway. The number of independents that switch to his side in response to this is very likely extremely marginal. Is that to say Trump has no shot to win in 2024? No. But he always had a shot anyway. Trying to read the political tea leaves from this too much just reminds me of the people that swore up and down that Trump getting COVID was some mastermind strategy to bolster support to ultimately win the election only for him to lose it. There's a long way to go before the 2024 election. There are going to be countless events that have more impact on the political mood of the country between now and then. I agree that this actually won't be significant as an individual event, but disagree in that I don't think that's the point some may be observing. I think people are observing already a pattern of behavior ongoing for both Republicans and Democrats that is going to spell doom and trouble for Democrats. This will neither inspire a major shift to him like conservatives hope, nor will it end him like liberals hope for. What will likely happen is that his base remains electrified, while Democrats hope to leverage these kinds of moments, misreading the interests and needs of voters who lean their way, who won't be moved to stop Trump anymore than previously. It took a deadly pandemic to help get Biden over the finish line. One can already see this in Biden's radical shift to the right in recent months. They already see the internal polling and know DeSantis is not landing with the GOP or independents. They're prepping for a Trump matchup and are trying to desperately keep hold of suburbanites with recent anti-poor moves they've done. I hope Trump actually goes to jail, despite knowing people like him never face consequences; I'm just not looking forward to 2024 and mindless months of "YOU'RE GOING TO LET A *CRIMINAL* BECOME PRESIDENT JUST BECAUSE BIDEN SIDED WITH REPUBLICANS AND LET THEM CUT FUNDS TO MEDICAID THIS YEAR???". Something tells me Biden will continue to only gauge the response of the rich and ignore the obvious: Edited March 30, 2023 by Communion
stevyy Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 This indictment means that Gilead will rise sooner than predicted. As it stands now, Gilead will come into being before the end of 2023. Good riddance America.
Horizon Flame Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 Not the strongest case. However, it’ll definitely tie up his campaign. It’ll be hilarious if he still takes the debate stage in a few months with this is going on. He’ll probably be smiling in mug shot knowing that his enemies will be using it against him. It’ll be interesting if the other Republicans running for president will finally attack him. They’re always quick to defend him afraid of losing his supporters. At some point they’re going to have to go negative. Too bad he’s already 20 points ahead of all of them. It shows how dead the GOP is. Trump beat how many of them in 2016? How any voter would want to go back to the Trump Trainwreck again is beyond me. Turn a page already.
stevyy Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 10 minutes ago, Vrx. said: Good luck booking that presidency u speak of he's already leading Biden by some points and this indictment means that he will win now... the media coverage that this man gets is insane. Gilead-Reps will also united behind him and from here on out, Mr. President Donald Trump can do whatever he wants. The genocide against LGBTQ is already underway. Next up, Latinos, then African Americans, then liberals. America has ended.
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted March 30, 2023 ATRL Moderator Posted March 30, 2023 4 minutes ago, Communion said: I agree that this actually won't be significant as an individual event, but disagree in that I don't think that's the point some may be observing. I think people are observing already a pattern of behavior ongoing for both Republicans and Democrats that is going to spell doom and trouble for Democrats. This will neither inspire a major shift to him like conservatives hope, nor will it end him like liberals hope for. What will likely happen is that his base remains electrified, while Democrats hope to leverage these kinds of moments, misreading the interests and needs of voters who lean their way, who won't be moved to stop Trump anymore than they previously. It took a deadly pandemic to help get Biden over the finish line. One can already see this in Biden's radical shift to the right in recent months. They already see the internal polling and know DeSantis is not landing with the GOP or independents. They're prepping for a Trump matchup and are trying to desperately keep hold of suburbanites with recent anti-poor moves they've done. I hope Trump actually goes to jail, despite knowing people like him never face consequences; I'm just not looking forward to 2024 and mindless months of "YOU'RE GOING TO LET A *CRIMINAL* BECOME PRESIDENT JUST BECAUSE BIDEN SIDED WITH REPUBLICANS AND LET THEM CUT FUNDS TO MEDICAID THIS YEAR???". I agree with you. But I think that this is more of a commentary of incompetencies of the Democratic Party. I ultimately think if Trump is sent to prison (which I think he should be, it would be nice to see a president be held accountable for once anyway), it won't change much in terms of the political vacancy of America. But one possible problem is that Democrats double down on decorum and respectability politics even more than they would normally do. That's a huge problem but it's a problem that would rise up regardless of this decision in my opinion. I just don't think that looking at this indictment and just thinking, "Well, this is only going to help Trump," is productive or thoughtful.
GreatestLoveofAll Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 How many other cases does he have against him? is this one down and more to go kinda thing?
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted March 30, 2023 ATRL Moderator Posted March 30, 2023 7 minutes ago, stevyy said: he's already leading Biden by some points and this indictment means that he will win now... the media coverage that this man gets is insane. Gilead-Reps will also united behind him and from here on out, Mr. President Donald Trump can do whatever he wants. The genocide against LGBTQ is already underway. Next up, Latinos, then African Americans, then liberals. America has ended. Do you honestly Trump is some unique evil in our country? If anything, the years since his ascension to the presidency have made it patently clear how un-special he is. There are monsters in our country much more dangerous than him already.
Bears01 Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 5 minutes ago, GreatestLoveofAll said: How many other cases does he have against him? is this one down and more to go kinda thing? He currently has 4 I believe. He has a case in Georgia where the charges are much more serious and the case is much stronger, because he’s on tape. 4 minutes ago, Bloo said: Do you honestly Trump is some unique evil in our country? If anything, the years since his ascension to the presidency has made it patently clear how un-special he is. There are monsters in our country much more dangerous than him already. This is true, but also: the man tried to overthrow the government
Communion Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Bears01 said: Turnout was down in 2022 and democrats gained in state legislatures, governor mansions, AG and SOS offices, and senate seats…. Turnout was actually *up* in 2022 from the last non-Trump mid-term, 2014 - 36% vs 45% (+9). The issue is that the anti-Trump effect dwindles. Turnout fell 5% from 2018 to 2022. There's also the reality that 2022's map was inherently favorable to Dems in a way 2024 won't be, though we've been through that over and over at this point already. But the more important note is that 45% isn't your floor - years like 2014 at 36% turnout is your floor. And there's room to easily reach back to that floor as "but Trump" becomes a less effective electoral strategy. And with the electoral college, there's a much smaller journey from a roof of 61% (2020) vs 56% (2016). Edited March 30, 2023 by Communion
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