Based off name recognition alone, is Beyonce and Shakira on the same level globally?

[SinnerCity]

4 hours ago, vale9001 said:

shakira last album debut

 

Australia 92

Usa 15

italy 12

germany 19

Uk 54

France 9

 

Beyonce

 

Australia 1

Usa 1

italy 2

germany 2

Uk 1

France 1

 

Beyoncè can tour stadiums in South america like Shakira, Shakira can't tour stadium in the Us or Europe. 

 

So it's not like the user is that crazy. 

 

Are you seriously comparing a full English album released last year to a Spanish reggaeton-infused album released in 2017? TikTok wasn't even a thing back in 2017 like, How are those even comparable?

 

Literal nonsense.

[k4rmabutterfly]

16 minutes ago, Starshine said:

No one said Shakira isn't global nor as relevant as Bey. It's actually the other way around in these 7 tired pages with the usual OBH saying Bey isn't as global as Shakira when the statistics says otherwise where Bey outclasses her overall in nearly every metric: record sales, chart peaks per country, streaming, touring (which was provided in this thread and purposefully ignored). Apparently he said she said, my -x- relative knows or likes -x- is a credible metric.  In name recognition, they're both pretty equal and it's clear in their massive social media followings. 

 

But the user that posted the most in this thread is a Hive hating on Shakira  anyways, Beyoncé surely is bigger than Shak comercially but she has the advantage of singing in English her whole career. There was a user here comparing their last albums but El Dorado was in Spanish. 

Shak’s last English album (Shakira) in the same markets:

Australia - 8
France - 6

Germany - 5

Italy - 3

US - 2

UK - 14

 

Bey’s self titled in the same markets (both were released around the same time)

 

Australia - 1

France - 13

Germany - 11

Italy - 14

US - 1

UK - 1

So yeah, the difference is not that deep especially considering Shakira was an underperformance. Touring wise Bey is bigger (after 2013) but that’s because she invests way more on her tours and the touring market grew so much in the 10’s, Shak literally had only one tour after 2013. I mean Rihanna is clearly bigger than Bey in Europe but she struggles to sell stadiums there and we have yet to see how Shakira’s touring is after her Halftime Show, Bey started to sell stadiums only after her Halftimes. But I’m not denying Bey is more successful overall, both are legends 

[The7thStranger]

30 minutes ago, byzantium said:

Wasn't Shakira's debut effectively in 1995 while Beyonce's was in 1998?

Even earlier. Her first album was released in 1991. Kind of an Alanis Morissette situation where the first two albums aren't really considered "canon."

 

I'd say they're about equal in terms of name recognition. It's my impression that a lot of people like Shakira and how she feels approachable and kind of like your fun cousin.

Edited March 12, 2023 by The7thStranger

[suneclipse121]

They’re both tied imo. Like if you know one you probably know the other. I mean they had a hit together.  Shakira has the advantage in Latin America definitely. 

[lonnie]

Shakira mostly sings in Spanish so this is a bit unfair as a comparison, not that she's not massive globally, but they're about equal as renown names and Bey has the edge numbers wise.

[vale9001]

45 minutes ago, SinnerCity said:

Are you seriously comparing a full English album released last year to a Spanish reggaeton-infused album released in 2017? TikTok wasn't even a thing back in 2017 like, How are those even comparable?

 

Literal nonsense.

I didn't open a thread about Who Is more global between Shakira and Beyoncé.

 

If someone sings in english and someone sings in spanish It's what It Is. I can't change my analysis of who Is more global.

Don't ask lol. 

 

Anyway about that i wrote for me they are global in the same way in the post before.

 

Someone made a post about commercial success and i don't see how overall Shakira Is this more commerciale successfull than Beyoncé. Sales + tours

Just that

 

Anyway in 2017 for popstar with huge fan base like Shakira  was wayys even more easier to open big...physical sale were like 3 4 times bigger than now (plus It was a boundle era) and selling a r'n'b elettronic album as reineissance is not that easyvtoo. So yes i can confirm reineissance got anbetter global debut and i really doubt next Shakira album can make better overall in this global scale, even now latin music Is strongest on streaming platforms. Or with some english songs too.

 

Edited March 12, 2023 by vale9001

[Red Hot Moon]

24 minutes ago, vale9001 said:

I didn't open a thread about Who Is more global between Shakira and Beyoncé.

 

If someone sings in english and someone sings in spanish It's what It Is. I can't change my analysis of who Is more global.

Don't ask lol. 

 

Anyway about that i wrote for me they are global in the same way in the post before.

 

Someone made a post about commercial success and i don't see how overall Shakira Is this more commerciale successfull than Beyoncé. Sales + tours

Just that

 

Anyway in 2017 for popstar with huge fan base like Shakira  was wayys even more easier to open big...physical sale were like 3 4 times bigger than now (plus It was a boundle era) and selling a r'n'b elettronic album as reineissance is not that easyvtoo. So yes i can confirm reineissance got anbetter global debut and i really doubt next Shakira album can make better overall in this global scale, even now latin music Is strongest on streaming platforms. Or with some english songs too.

 

El Dorado is a Latin album and even in 2017 Latin music was consumed mostly on streaming. El Dorado has amazing streaming numbers on Spotify (2.7B) and YT, and with 4 Latin Grammys + the Grammy for Latin Album of the year it's safe to say it was a huge success, so I don't know what you're trying to do here.

 

Also, talking about global appeal and consumption, Shakira is one of the biggest artists on the two biggest social Media platforms, which still are Facebook and Youtube.

Edited March 12, 2023 by Red Hot Moon

[Bloodflowers.]

Both are very well known global names, Beyonce the biggest modern black woman singer since Whitney, and Shakira the biggest latina singer. 

[Femalien]

shakira is definitely very big in latin american internet cafes with patrons that watch youtube all day

 

beyonce is big in america

 

they are both very niche

[byzantium]

1 hour ago, The7thStranger said:

Even earlier. Her first album was released in 1991. Kind of an Alanis Morissette situation where the first two albums aren't really considered "canon."

 

I'd say they're about equal in terms of name recognition. It's my impression that a lot of people like Shakira and how she feels approachable and kind of like your fun cousin.

Yah, that is why I used the word “effectively”.  Her first two albums did not sell more than 2000 copies I believe and I think Shakira herself has tried to remove the albums from platforms.  

[Virtual_Insanity]

I would say Shakira is a step up from Bey and more on par with Katy, going purely on name recognition. 

[QueenBeyoncé]

4 hours ago, Jooj said:

Shes a GP artist and since she never truly flopped (the closest thing to a flop was She Wolf album), that makes her the most global girl since Madonna 

 

Its not hard to understand gurl. Youre trying with that "delusional" shtick bc youre a stan but thats the truth.

 

Funny how you ignored my last comment on touring tho.

She just don’t have the GP numbers backing it up like Madonna 

[Jamlon]

The delusion in this thread is very thick

 

Put it this way Beyonce can SELL OUT stadiums in every single continent based off name recognition alone

 

the same can't be said for Shakira

 

 

[Jooj]

1 hour ago, QueenBeyoncé said:

She just don’t have the GP numbers backing it up like Madonna 

Neither does Beyoncé even with DC 

 

Whats your point? At this point you sound like a hater

[bijonse]

1 hour ago, Virtual_Insanity said:

I would say Shakira is a step up from Bey and more on par with Katy, going purely on name recognition. 

Your username might be accurate if you think katy is more famous than BEYONCÉ 

 

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=%2Fm%2F01mpq7s,%2Fm%2F03y82t6,%2Fm%2F01wj18h&hl=en

 

katy is not as famous as the two legends you threw her in with and overall it seems beyoncé has the most interest on google though shakira had higher peaks. On instagram Beyoncé is more followed and on Facebook shakira is more followed. Beyoncé is more successful musically and obliterates in touring, has more success in avenues outside of music too. I think bey is more famous 

 

 

[LuneMon]

Shakira is definitely bigger, americans really don't know how big her world cup songs are.... 

But Beyonce is not too far behind tbh. 

[Shelter]

Nah. Shakira is constantly everywhere and maybe thats why you feel that. 

[PrudenceHCharmed]

6 hours ago, ToraeGilt said:

Not seeing a direct response to this 

8 pages and not a single answer...

[Jooj]

3 minutes ago, PrudenceHCharmed said:

8 pages and not a single answer...

I did answer tho...

 

5 hours ago, Jooj said:

Mostly her being the first artist people associate with the World Cup (most popular global event) and her YouTube numbers. Shes like the biggest female artist currently and has always been huge there from Waka Waka onwards (YouTube is the main streaming platform in Latin America, Asia and several other markets).

 

Tie that with her record sales and accolades and shes simply the bigger name.

Edited March 12, 2023 by Jooj

[Essential]

I'm most likely biased being from Latin America, but Shakira feels inmensely bigger here than Beyoncé. Heck, probably bigger than anyone other than MJ and Madonna.

 

Like, all of us have heard (willingly or not) at least one of her maybe 30 classics, and she's been in the business for so long that we know most of the things she's done or been through. Petty stuff like the Antonio De La Rúa and Gerard Piqué's breakups are now literally embedded in pop culture around here.

 

However, I think the most similar data we have to measure "name recognition" globally would be the Google Trends posted a few pages back, even considering how flawed it is.

[QueenBeyoncé]

 

1 hour ago, Jamlon said:

The delusion in this thread is very thick

 

Put it this way Beyonce can SELL OUT stadiums in every single continent based off name recognition alone

 

the same can't be said for Shakira

 

 

this these girls really live in lala land 

[DoubleRainbow!]

6 hours ago, ToraeGilt said:

I just remembered that Mi gente remix sold more than any Shakira song in Latin America. Check the riaa stats. I’m crying . You’re trying to bring up the fact that Shakira gave bey her first no.1 outside of the US (which is a lie) but Beyoncé has a song that outsold Shakira in her own TERRITORY? You ppl are unserious 

The original song did not that remix, in fact nobody in LatAm (where the song smashed) knows there’s a Remix with Beyoncé 

[305]

LOL good one. Shakira name and face are known in every corner of the globe. Bey is not so lucky

[Bears01]

13 minutes ago, 305 said:

LOL good one. Shakira name and face are known in every corner of the globe. Bey is not so lucky

Only on ATRL is this true  Beyonces insane global touring demand and commercial success proves otherwise 

[Bacardo Royale]

Only one of them can sell out stadiums every continent and it's not Shakira