charts discussion Spotify: Endless Summer Vacation 29,9m debut | First week: 151m

[naomi24]

its increased

[More Than A Melody]

I'm actually surprised by Flowers numbers? It's kinda dropping off a cliff

 

This was As It Was the Tuesday after the album drop

1  –

As It Was Harry Styles

1

1

55

9,878,251

 

Numbers for Miley the Tuesday since album drop.

1  –

Flowers Miley Cyrus

1

1

61

7,394,372

 

That is a steep 25% less streams. And the days since song release are basically the same (55/61). Even though Flowers took a couple of days to become the massive hit it became and As It Was didn't from the word go. Is this the effect of the album being hyper well-received for Harry and lukewarm for Miley? It's like the album had zero impact on Flowers whatsoever. These were her numbers last Tuesday:

3  –

Flowers Miley Cyrus

1

3

54

7,346,952

 

It's so strange to me, considering how much of a household name she is. I don't think I can make sense of it.

[Nefertiti0]

Day 5: 19,843,785 (-654,382)

1. Flowers	7 450 419	+138 535	+1.89%
2. Jaded	1 582 830	- 87 216	-5.22%
3. Rose Colored Lenses	1 170 117	- 65 638	-5.31%
4. Thousand Miles	1 007 346	- 90 753	-8.26%
5. You	908 296	- 86 989	-8.74%
6. Handstand	735 348	- 87 058	-10.59%
7. River	2 611 698	- 130 958	-4.77%
8. Violet Chemistry	909 062	+9 509	+1.06%
9. Muddy Feet	893 283	- 44 211	-4.72%
10. Wildcard	740 645	- 57 715	-7.23%
11. Island	773 604	- 46 731	-5.70%
12. Wonder Woman	585 403	- 57 302	-8.92%
13. Flowers (Demo)	475 734	- 47 855	-9.14%

[Ivan_brit]

Surpass 100 million Streams during debut week

 

114,472,328 So far  

[Hot Volcano]

56 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said:

I'm actually surprised by Flowers numbers? It's kinda dropping off a cliff

 

This was As It Was the Tuesday after the album drop

1  –

As It Was Harry Styles

1

1

55

9,878,251

 

Numbers for Miley the Tuesday since album drop.

1  –

Flowers Miley Cyrus

1

1

61

7,394,372

 

That is a steep 25% less streams. And the days since song release are basically the same (55/61). Even though Flowers took a couple of days to become the massive hit it became and As It Was didn't from the word go. Is this the effect of the album being hyper well-received for Harry and lukewarm for Miley? It's like the album had zero impact on Flowers whatsoever. These were her numbers last Tuesday:

3  –

Flowers Miley Cyrus

1

3

54

7,346,952

 

It's so strange to me, considering how much of a household name she is. I don't think I can make sense of it.

Dont forget the demo version of Flowers that did 475k, should be combined with the original.

[More Than A Melody]

16 minutes ago, Hot Volcano said:

Dont forget the demo version of Flowers that did 475k, should be combined with the original.

Sorry but that has nothing to do with my point. I'm talking about the album effect on the single, this is a second version of the song. I'm just confused how the album and the song seem to be so divorced from each other.

 

The song is performing as if the album wasn't even dropped, doing the exact same numbers as before it was released when albums usually have a huge impact on already existing singles. And the album is performing as if Flowers didn't exist, doing very similar numbers Miley did with Plastic Hearts (a slight increase that matches the increase in overall Spotify users), when a huge single like Flowers generally makes people interested in the overall project.

 

I understand that she did little promo and I don't think it means that Flowers is fraudulent at all. Plenty of huge singles have gone to be in overall small projects, but it's just really surprising because most of the success of Flowers hinges on Miley herself, the "comeback" narrative and her personal story with the song/Liam Hemsworth. So I just... don't... get it. It's strange and I can't make sense of it.

[PopFan1996]

 

1 hour ago, More Than A Melody said:

It's so strange to me, considering how much of a household name she is. I don't think I can make sense of it.

There is nothing strange here. Miley has been doing bad numbers in debuts since 2013.  Look at her debuts of her two previous albums. There's nothing strange here.  She's not that huge of a name to get a big album boost.  She just got lucky with Flowers

[unclefloprry]

I still think her team was so dumb for not releasing 1 or 2 other songs before the album. 

[Walk_Away21]

2 hours ago, More Than A Melody said:

I'm actually surprised by Flowers numbers? It's kinda dropping off a cliff

 

This was As It Was the Tuesday after the album drop

1  –

As It Was Harry Styles

1

1

55

9,878,251

 

Numbers for Miley the Tuesday since album drop.

1  –

Flowers Miley Cyrus

1

1

61

7,394,372

 

That is a steep 25% less streams. And the days since song release are basically the same (55/61). Even though Flowers took a couple of days to become the massive hit it became and As It Was didn't from the word go. Is this the effect of the album being hyper well-received for Harry and lukewarm for Miley? It's like the album had zero impact on Flowers whatsoever. These were her numbers last Tuesday:

3  –

Flowers Miley Cyrus

1

3

54

7,346,952

 

It's so strange to me, considering how much of a household name she is. I don't think I can make sense of it.

You're surprised a male artist is more popular than a female? This is kinda always how it is. Even Taylor who is MASSIVE has had some struggles with single success. Flowers doing as well as it did is low key a miracle for Miley considering she's been paid dust since 2015 even with some strong music.

 

Anyway, stable.

[PopFan1996]

47 minutes ago, Walk_Away21 said:

Anyway, stable.

I am just wondering why you keep saying "stable" when it isn't? 

[seancarter]

25 minutes ago, PopFan1996 said:

I am just wondering why you keep saying "stable" when it isn't? 

I am just wondering why you keep hating when you don't need to.. you've been in the flowers thread grasping for straws before the album even dropped saying flowers was flopping but now you're here because you have a reason to. it fuels you clearly.. anyway... congrats to miley on doubling plastic hearts sales and heading back to #1 on the hot 100 next week.. we love a 'flop' 'queen. 

[Freakshowvato]

It is stable but the numbers show River is a weak single.
 

Rose Colored and Jaded would be better singles. Maybe Violet Chemistry too since its had hype and radio friendly 

[Freakshowvato]

4 hours ago, More Than A Melody said:

I'm actually surprised by Flowers numbers? It's kinda dropping off a cliff

 

This was As It Was the Tuesday after the album drop

1  –

As It Was Harry Styles

1

1

55

9,878,251

 

Numbers for Miley the Tuesday since album drop.

1  –

Flowers Miley Cyrus

1

1

61

7,394,372

 

That is a steep 25% less streams. And the days since song release are basically the same (55/61). Even though Flowers took a couple of days to become the massive hit it became and As It Was didn't from the word go. Is this the effect of the album being hyper well-received for Harry and lukewarm for Miley? It's like the album had zero impact on Flowers whatsoever. These were her numbers last Tuesday:

3  –

Flowers Miley Cyrus

1

3

54

7,346,952

 

It's so strange to me, considering how much of a household name she is. I don't think I can make sense of it.

Its bc the album killed some hype for Flowers. That was why her team refused to release any additional song before album release, they knew Flowers numbers was magical and shouldnt be messed with at least to ensure its a smash hit for many number of weeks. It was a balance act between album and single. 

[brazil]

This is a great hold for 5th day tbh 

[Maxxie]

She should have released Jaded as a follow up single before album release with a week of hype/video teaser and just saved River video for an album release day treat.

Violet Chemistry could come later on but I honestly think they hype for the album has died. I love Miley so just glad she got another hit and is creating the music she likes. She is already iconic and a legend atp.

[Jude]

It's actually stable.

[BeingRicardo]

8 hours ago, Nefertiti0 said:

Day 5: 19,843,785 (-654,382)

1. Flowers	7 450 419	+138 535	+1.89%
2. Jaded	1 582 830	- 87 216	-5.22%
3. Rose Colored Lenses	1 170 117	- 65 638	-5.31%
4. Thousand Miles	1 007 346	- 90 753	-8.26%
5. You	908 296	- 86 989	-8.74%
6. Handstand	735 348	- 87 058	-10.59%
7. River	2 611 698	- 130 958	-4.77%
8. Violet Chemistry	909 062	+9 509	+1.06%
9. Muddy Feet	893 283	- 44 211	-4.72%
10. Wildcard	740 645	- 57 715	-7.23%
11. Island	773 604	- 46 731	-5.70%
12. Wonder Woman	585 403	- 57 302	-8.92%
13. Flowers (Demo)	475 734	- 47 855	-9.14%

Selena’s impact

[More Than A Melody]

4 hours ago, Walk_Away21 said:

You're surprised a male artist is more popular than a female? This is kinda always how it is. Even Taylor who is MASSIVE has had some struggles with single success. Flowers doing as well as it did is low key a miracle for Miley considering she's been paid dust since 2015 even with some strong music.

 

Anyway, stable.

Yeah, male music is overall consumed more, but that's because comparatively, less female musicians get the structural support they need to succeed and the audience are pickier with who they consider worthy of support, but Miley Cyrus is not an oppressed woman who can't make it big, give me a break.

 

She grew up in luxury with a father with connections who got her a start in Disney Channel during an era where they were churning out teen pop stars. Then under that structure she became a solo singer. She fell from grace mostly due to her own attitude (which she'll admit herself), she was infamous for every era talking sh*t about the last. I think RCA did her dirty, but I can't say I expected them to do any better considering they're very evenly terrible and Miley wasn't exactly a fountain of cash for the label (they're doing quite well for SZA, I might add). She's now with Columbia and she has all the support she could ever need. She's a household name with radio and playlist support.

 

Your comment is giving "women can only chuckle." There certainly are women who can identify with what you say but Miley freaking Cyrus isn't one of them. I am a woman, btw.

 

Also, I was trying to get at how strange I found it that the album had absolutely no impact on Flowers when that's weird for a household name. The comparison with As It Was was simply because it's the most recent example of a viral song and how the album release affected it, since Anti-Hero came out at the same time as the album.

 

Let's compare with Adele:

The Tuesday after album release:

1  –

Easy On Me Adele

1

1

41

7,864,763

 

The Tuesday before album release:

2  –

Easy On Me Adele

1

2

34

5,557,741

 

So what's the excuse here now? Is Adele more privileged than Miley because she's, idk, taller?

[!ngwe]

definitely a grower album 

[Scott Borchetta]

2 hours ago, More Than A Melody said:

Yeah, male music is overall consumed more, but that's because comparatively, less female musicians get the structural support they need to succeed and the audience are pickier with who they consider worthy of support, but Miley Cyrus is not an oppressed woman who can't make it big, give me a break.

 

She grew up in luxury with a father with connections who got her a start in Disney Channel during an era where they were churning out teen pop stars. Then under that structure she became a solo singer. She fell from grace mostly due to her own attitude (which she'll admit herself), she was infamous for every era talking sh*t about the last. I think RCA did her dirty, but I can't say I expected them to do any better considering they're very evenly terrible and Miley wasn't exactly a fountain of cash for the label (they're doing quite well for SZA, I might add). She's now with Columbia and she has all the support she could ever need. She's a household name with radio and playlist support.

 

Your comment is giving "women can only chuckle." There certainly are women who can identify with what you say but Miley freaking Cyrus isn't one of them. I am a woman, btw.

 

Also, I was trying to get at how strange I found it that the album had absolutely no impact on Flowers when that's weird for a household name. The comparison with As It Was was simply because it's the most recent example of a viral song and how the album release affected it, since Anti-Hero came out at the same time as the album.

 

Let's compare with Adele:

The Tuesday after album release:

1  –

Easy On Me Adele

1

1

41

7,864,763

 

The Tuesday before album release:

2  –

Easy On Me Adele

1

2

34

5,557,741

 

So what's the excuse here now? Is Adele more privileged than Miley because she's, idk, taller?

we don't care, if comparing miley cyrus to harry is how you feel better about his successful male peers, bad bunny and the weeknd, stomping on him, then so be it

 

OT: stable 

[Carter]

love the stability. good for her

[Nefertiti0]

Spotify Global (3 tracks)

Day 6 (March 15, 2023)
#			streams	change
1	-	Flowers	7 446 695	+ 52 323
28	-3	River	2 445 566	- 113 678
105	-29	Jaded	1 390 592	- 151 005
OUT	-	Rose Colored Lenses	-	-

 

US (8 tracks)

#			streams	change
4	-	Flowers	1 251 051	+ 32 260
31	-4	River	619 895	- 33 959
46	-6	Jaded	528 856	- 33 825
83	-14	Rose Colored Lenses	407 233	- 29 068
125	-28	Thousand Miles	333 492	- 37 620
146	-30	You	313 663	- 27 694
199	-74	Violet Chemistry	285 028	- 43 296
193	-50	Muddy Feet	286 044	- 25 338

 

 

[Selegend]

23 minutes ago, Nefertiti0 said:

Spotify Global (3 tracks)

Day 6 (March 15, 2023)
#			streams	change
1	-	Flowers	7 446 695	+ 52 323
28	-3	River	2 445 566	- 113 678
105	-29	Jaded	1 390 592	- 151 005
OUT	-	Rose Colored Lenses	-	-

 

US (8 tracks)

 

#			streams	change
4	-	Flowers	1 251 051	+ 32 260
31	-4	River	619 895	- 33 959
46	-6	Jaded	528 856	- 33 825
83	-14	Rose Colored Lenses	407 233	- 29 068
125	-28	Thousand Miles	333 492	- 37 620
146	-30	You	313 663	- 27 694
199	-74	Violet Chemistry	285 028	- 43 296
193	-50	Muddy Feet	286 044	- 25 338

 

 

well when river lose all those playlist covers and #1 placements tomorrow the decreases are going to be really really ugly... after all its still #1 and cover on NMF, Pop Up, etc etc, it has only lost the TTH #1 (for Flowers). it's going to be ugly.. 

 

i just saw that it's getting huge airplay, they should drop it and change to Jaded fast (even with the WW drop today, it's already above River on Apple Music US, for example!)

 

 

 

Edited March 16, 2023 by Selegend

[Raphy23]

What will be it's debut number for the week? 

[UnusualBoy]

7 minutes ago, Raphy23 said:

What will be it's debut number for the week? 

On Spotify? It'll probably debut around 130-140 million.