Pop Posted February 26, 2023 Posted February 26, 2023 Trump will be in prison before the election. xx
Wolf Alice Posted February 26, 2023 Posted February 26, 2023 2 hours ago, Communion said: 45~ seems to be the point where they become equal, with young people breaking for Dems by double-digits. This lowkey making the reality worse though, as young people are numerically much smaller of a portion of the Republican party, but have seem to garner influence and power in a way that young Dems have not (young Democrats broke for Sanders like 70% over all others in 2020, yet party elites rejected him). The working class numbers are a bit more complex - historically, Republicans have been the party of 1% elites, but the last 20 years have seen most people in poverty go from voting for Dems to not voting at all, with Republicans slightly growing an edge with working class voters over Dems due to Dem-leaning working class voters becoming removed from the elections process. Thank you for this! It's definitely not what I expected
Karla Cabello Posted February 26, 2023 Posted February 26, 2023 21 minutes ago, Pop said: Trump will be in prison before the election. xx
EnigmaticAndroid Posted February 26, 2023 Posted February 26, 2023 (edited) DeathSentance may be burying his own grave out of sheer hubris and I couldn't be happier The extreme culture war flaming just doesn’t resonate as much nationwide as the GOP wants it to. At the very least, it's seemingly not going to cement Ronald the national support he needs. Edited February 26, 2023 by EnigmaticAndroid
ClashAndBurn Posted February 27, 2023 Posted February 27, 2023 6 hours ago, Archetype said: Can Nikki please gain more traction so we don’t have to worry about Tr*mp or Diet Tr*mp? She’s also trash but at least she’s not insane. The amount of privilege it takes to wish for Nikki ******* Haley, neo-con extraordinaire who wants to blow up brown children in the Middle East, to be a presidential nominee.
Trent W Posted February 27, 2023 Posted February 27, 2023 (edited) Trump is winning against Biden easily Biden’s presidency has been a complete disaster. Trump’s was too, but for one reason or the other life was easier back then. Right now inflation is insane to get by, Biden is a walking vegetable that is just a figure head position. Also to people are very anti-woke/progressive IMO, in 2020 everyone was sick of Trump and wanted him out, but right now things are really different. I obviously want a democrat president, even if he is a walking vegetable. But things are really not looking good. Edited February 27, 2023 by Trent W
i spit on haters Posted February 27, 2023 Posted February 27, 2023 lol, I still don't think Trump will be re-elected. I will say this poll is surprising because I was very much of the firm belief that the GOP and its voters were very much departed from Trump and his antics and were on board with DeSantis. I think Biden would win over Trump. I wouldn't vote for Biden but I don't think Trump will ever be POTUS again.
Rotunda Posted February 27, 2023 Posted February 27, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Communion said: This ignores that Biden's margins were what they were due to young Democratic voters, who act in the way opposite of what you're suggesting. An emergency pandemic was going to benefit Biden more as the candidate young voters more aligned with, especially when the threat of a global pandemic increased their likelihood to vote. The idea that an incumbent should benefit from traditional emergency situations like in other countries ignores that way modern polarization has settled into American politics, and done so along race, age and class lines. So while the conventional wisdom would be "the pandemic should have benefited Trump as the incumbent," it largely didn't work that way. Dems understand this "democracy is on the line" language, which is why they deploy it now every 2 years. The issue is that, while it may work in 2020 + 2022, it explicitly didn't work in 2016, especially for the very demographics that they expected it would (young, poor, POC). How many young people are going to come out in droves in 2024 if student debt forgiveness fails and all the pandemic provisions that made life better now no longer exist? And the threat of "Trump will take such away" is empty? It's very easy for the same material conditions that bred indifference in the Midwest to Trump winning to re-occur. Will read up on this when I get home but good to know Edited February 27, 2023 by Rotunda
Ichinaru19 Posted February 27, 2023 Posted February 27, 2023 This is good news, DeSantis is potentially worse than Trump
ClashAndBurn Posted February 27, 2023 Posted February 27, 2023 1 hour ago, Trent W said: Trump is winning against Biden easily Biden’s presidency has been a complete disaster. Trump’s was too, but for one reason or the other life was easier back then. Right now inflation is insane to get by, Biden is a walking vegetable that is just a figure head position. Also to people are very anti-woke/progressive IMO, in 2020 everyone was sick of Trump and wanted him out, but right now things are really different. I obviously want a democrat president, even if he is a walking vegetable. But things are really not looking good. Nah, I despise Biden and all, but Trump isn’t winning “easily.” It’ll be a hard fight for either of them. Any other Democrat would be a wash and would lose 100 percent though. Their bench is kinda unelectable for a myriad of unique reasons.
Archetype Posted February 27, 2023 Posted February 27, 2023 9 hours ago, ClashAndBurn said: The amount of privilege it takes to wish for Nikki ******* Haley, neo-con extraordinaire who wants to blow up brown children in the Middle East, to be a presidential nominee. Nose fence but what is wrong with you and this unhinged response? Do you seriously think I want Nikki or any of these people to win? She’s the least likely to beat a Democrat so of course I’m going to hope she wins the GOP nom tf
Bosque Posted February 27, 2023 Posted February 27, 2023 Good, trump is the only Republican candidate who would lose to an octogenarian Biden
Mr. Mendes Posted February 27, 2023 Posted February 27, 2023 Did we not learn in 2016 that we maybe shouldn't be trusting these kinds of polls that have a clear bias to them? Especially this far out. This is a Fox News poll and while the network itself is throwing itself behind DeSantis in a big way, their viewer base and even some of their anchor reporters are still Forever Trumpers so of course their data is going to reflect Trump. Polls conducted by media sources, not pollsters, will always have a bias in them that can paint a different picture than reality.
Communion Posted February 27, 2023 Author Posted February 27, 2023 1 hour ago, Mr. Mendes said: Did we not learn in 2016 that we maybe shouldn't be trusting these kinds of polls that have a clear bias to them? Especially this far out. This is a Fox News poll and while the network itself is throwing itself behind DeSantis in a big way, their viewer base and even some of their anchor reporters are still Forever Trumpers so of course their data is going to reflect Trump. Polls conducted by media sources, not pollsters, will always have a bias in them that can paint a different picture than reality. Media sources don't conduct polls. They simply pay for them. Fox News generally have largely accurate polling.
RunUpDoneUp Posted February 27, 2023 Posted February 27, 2023 The literal party of nazis. Trump has adopted desantis' more evil positions and I can't tell them apart anymore except by which one acts like a person(trump, obviously.) Maybe we get a surprise overdose from both fellas(lord knows they do the lines.)
Chemist Posted February 27, 2023 Posted February 27, 2023 13 hours ago, Trent W said: Trump is winning against Biden easily Biden’s presidency has been a complete disaster. Trump’s was too, but for one reason or the other life was easier back then. Right now inflation is insane to get by, Biden is a walking vegetable that is just a figure head position. Also to people are very anti-woke/progressive IMO, in 2020 everyone was sick of Trump and wanted him out, but right now things are really different. I obviously want a democrat president, even if he is a walking vegetable. But things are really not looking good. I thought the same but the political backlash against Biden has not been bad (Democrats overperformed in last years midterms except for few states like NY and CA). Inflation is bad but at the same time unemployment is at an all time low so it seems these 2 factors are cancelling each other and people are voting with other things in mind such as law and order, climate change, abortion, etc
Trent W Posted February 27, 2023 Posted February 27, 2023 12 hours ago, ClashAndBurn said: Nah, I despise Biden and all, but Trump isn’t winning “easily.” It’ll be a hard fight for either of them. Any other Democrat would be a wash and would lose 100 percent though. Their bench is kinda unelectable for a myriad of unique reasons. 38 minutes ago, Chemist said: I thought the same but the political backlash against Biden has not been bad (Democrats overperformed in last years midterms except for few states like NY and CA). Inflation is bad but at the same time unemployment is at an all time low so it seems these 2 factors are cancelling each other and people are voting with other things in mind such as law and order, climate change, abortion, etc Hope you both are right cause another round of Trump would be catastrophic.
on the line Posted February 27, 2023 Posted February 27, 2023 16 hours ago, Chemist said: DeSantis is more damgerous than Trump tbh. Trumpism is on itsway out looking at how his candidates TANKED in a GOP favourable midterms This. I'm hoping Trump gets the nomination. It'll be an easier win for Dems than if Desanta gets it.
nadiamendell Posted February 27, 2023 Posted February 27, 2023 I'm really hoping Trump wins the primary because I'm already hearing some of my more moderate/independent friends & co-workers (who don't really pay attention to politics) praise Desantis and Haley. I then have to educate them on how extreme both of them are and they all act shocked. Biden is in trouble if it's anyone BUT Trump running against him.
Bang Up Posted February 27, 2023 Posted February 27, 2023 (edited) 19 hours ago, industry baby said: Yes and thats because Biden is one of the biggest disaster and disappointment ever happened to US You don't live in the real world. --- "dominating field with working class Republicans"... this just really goes to show how stupid these people are. imagine being working-class and struggling with inflation and thinking a billionaire who did absolutely nothing for you but provide lip service is your saving grace. while i do think biden would beat trump again in 2024, it'll be a nail biter. it'll come down to young people getting out and voting, which they're beginning to show they're taking more seriously. trump will become even more unhinged and bigoted over the next year or so, so young people are going to be energized to vote. dems just need good messaging which they've always struggled with. take a look at the midterms from the big battleground states of michigan, pa, wi, and mn... trumpism and extremism isn't working like it used to. 15 hours ago, Trent W said: Trump is winning against Biden easily Biden’s presidency has been a complete disaster. Trump’s was too, but for one reason or the other life was easier back then. Right now inflation is insane to get by, Biden is a walking vegetable that is just a figure head position. Also to people are very anti-woke/progressive IMO, in 2020 everyone was sick of Trump and wanted him out, but right now things are really different. I obviously want a democrat president, even if he is a walking vegetable. But things are really not looking good. Gas prices continue to drop, unemployment is at a record low, and the economy is improving. There are no signs of any of these things slowing down, so we'll be in a good position come 2024. You don't live in the real world, either. The mid terms literally prove this narrative wrong; the Dems would've had the house had they not royally screwed up redistricting in NY. The American people spoke loudly and made it clear the extremism coming from the right is a detriment, and that they're not being hit nearly as hard by inflation as the GOP is trying to make it seem. Some of you like to purposely ignore just how monumental it was for the Dems to perform the way they did in the mid-terms. It was unlike anything we've seen in a long, long time. Trump and the GOP have learned nothing from the mid-terms and are going to continue getting more extreme. This will in turn encourage more people, especially young people, to get out and vote. You're a democrat, but pushing right-wing talking points. Edited February 27, 2023 by Bang Up
Trent W Posted February 27, 2023 Posted February 27, 2023 13 minutes ago, Bang Up said: You don't live in the real world. --- "dominating field with working class Republicans"... this just really goes to show how stupid these people are. imagine being working-class and struggling with inflation and thinking a billionaire who did absolutely nothing for you but provide lip service is your saving grace. while i do think biden would beat trump again in 2024, it'll be a nail biter. it'll come down to young people getting out and voting, which they're beginning to show they're taking more seriously. trump will become even more unhinged and bigoted over the next year or so, so young people are going to be energized to vote. dems just need good messaging which they've always struggled with. take a look at the midterms from the big battleground states of michigan, pa, wi, and mn... trumpism and extremism isn't working like it used to. Gas prices continue to drop, unemployment is at a record low, and the economy is improving. There are no signs of any of these things slowing down, so we'll be in a good position come 2024. You don't live in the real world, either. The mid terms literally prove this narrative wrong; the Dems would've had the house had they not royally screwed up redistricting in NY. The American people spoke loudly and made it clear the extremism coming from the right is a detriment, and that they're not being hit nearly as hard by inflation as the GOP is trying to make it seem. Some of you like to purposely ignore just how monumental it was for the Dems to perform the way they did in the mid-terms. It was unlike anything we've seen in a long, long time. Trump and the GOP have learned nothing from the mid-terms and are going to continue getting more extreme. This will in turn encourage more people, especially young people, to get out and vote. You're a democrat, but pushing right-wing talking points. My main point was that Biden was 10x more popular in 2020 than now, and he won not by that much over Trump. And let’s face it, Biden presidency has been really bad. Like even if you are democrat you have to be honest. At least so far. He can still turn things around or the people who call the shots cause he is not there 100% honestly. We’ll have to see if the popularity of the midterms transfers to Biden in 2024. I must say that after the insurrection Trump also lost a lot of popularity. I completely forgot about that So it’s really all up in the air imo.
Harrier Posted February 28, 2023 Posted February 28, 2023 Trump will win the GOP primary but at the same time he is the only candidate that would lose against Biden. An interesting state of affairs. Republican elites are going to push Desantis as much as they can
dancingqueen Posted February 28, 2023 Posted February 28, 2023 This is probably one of the few times in history where the vice president nominee actually matters. Besides the obvious fact that Bidens' best years are behind him. Like if the democrats had a young up and comer to groom, this would be a slam dunk seller for the younger generation.
Bethenny Frankel Posted February 28, 2023 Posted February 28, 2023 Biden would beat Trump again and Dems are on an upward trajectory based on their midterms performance.
ClashAndBurn Posted February 28, 2023 Posted February 28, 2023 3 hours ago, Bethenny Frankel said: Biden would beat Trump again and Dems are on an upward trajectory based on their midterms performance. How? Inflation is getting worse and Biden's Fed Chair is dead-set on driving us into a recession.
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