Lovett Posted February 16, 2023 Posted February 16, 2023 7 minutes ago, Axelios said: The simple explanation is that it had a big push at the begining as the new Beyonce lead single but then crashed because of bad callouts or other metrics. It's not the first time this kind of things happen. Songs don't crash on all metrics simultaneously, no matter how allegedly poor the callouts were. Certainly not songs that spent multiple weeks at #1 on the Hot 100.
R`0`K`R Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 SZA's getting that Album of The Year grammy next year we will love to see it!
Otter Posted February 18, 2023 Posted February 18, 2023 On 2/14/2023 at 8:43 PM, MrLovett said: BMS was pulled from radio. If one of the three required charting metrics is completely removed, obviously the song would plummet. Honestly people should let this hypothesis go. The fact it's streaming died a sudden death also reflects a very seasonal or front loaded song. It wasn't just the radio metric that plummeted, meanwhile AS remained stable and even surpassed it at points without any radio or playlisting support.
Lovett Posted February 18, 2023 Posted February 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, Otter said: Honestly people should let this hypothesis go. The fact it's streaming died a sudden death also reflects a very seasonal or front loaded song. It wasn't just the radio metric that plummeted, meanwhile AS remained stable and even surpassed it at points without any radio or playlisting support. That's a completely separate discussion though, it doesn't really relate to its radio performance suddenly collapsing simultaneously, across all formats, after having such a strong and consistent rise for months.
Otter Posted February 18, 2023 Posted February 18, 2023 27 minutes ago, MrLovett said: That's a completely separate discussion though, it doesn't really relate to its radio performance suddenly collapsing simultaneously, across all formats, after having such a strong and consistent rise for months. You don't think the radio drop relates to the fact it died in all other metrics? Have you compared its radio decline to other front loaded singles, for example Hold It Against me by Britney?
Lovett Posted February 18, 2023 Posted February 18, 2023 1 minute ago, Otter said: You don't think the radio drop relates to the fact it died in all other metrics? Have you compared its radio decline to other front loaded singles, for example Hold It Against me by Britney? No I don't, because songs don't just plummet across all metrics at the same time. Especially after such a steady rise and hitting #1 on the Hot 100 for multiple weeks. It's just not what happens.
Otter Posted February 18, 2023 Posted February 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, MrLovett said: No I don't, because songs don't just plummet across all metrics at the same time. Especially after such a steady rise and hitting #1 on the Hot 100 for multiple weeks. It's just not what happens. But how can you say that without checking other songs?
TrieLz Posted February 18, 2023 Posted February 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, MrLovett said: No I don't, because songs don't just plummet across all metrics at the same time. Especially after such a steady rise and hitting #1 on the Hot 100 for multiple weeks. It's just not what happens. 5 minutes ago, Otter said: You don't think the radio drop relates to the fact it died in all other metrics? Have you compared its radio decline to other front loaded singles, for example Hold It Against me by Britney? I think Born This Way (single) also experience the same things on radio? 6 weeks at #1 but only 9 weeks in the Top 10
industry baby Posted February 18, 2023 Posted February 18, 2023 On 2/16/2023 at 4:34 PM, MrLovett said: BMS radio peaks: Pop: #7 (Week 10) Urban: #1 (Week 9) Rhythmic: #1 (x3) (Week 8-10) I'm being accused of fabricating history, but you just straight-up lied. POP Run: 30 - 21 - 17 - 13 - 13 - 11 - 10 - 9 - 8 - 7 - 11 - 17 - 27 - 39 URBAN Run: 37 - 23 - 12 - 9 - 7 - 5 - 4 - 4 - 1 - 5 - 8 - 14 - 24 - 28 - 38 RHYTHMIC Run: 31 - 14 - 10 - 8 - 6 - 6 - 2 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 3 - 8 - 14 - 20 - 25 There's a clear difference in the climb of the song to how rapidly it suddenly dropped at the Week 9/10 mark. I don't understand why they pulled it, but pretending that it didn't suddenly just start crashing across all formats simultaneously is misleading. Most likely radio got paid to play it until Album release week. Deals like these very often in industry.
Lovett Posted February 18, 2023 Posted February 18, 2023 10 minutes ago, Otter said: But how can you say that without checking other songs? Who said I didn't check other songs? 6 minutes ago, TrieLz said: I think Born This Way (single) also experience the same things on radio? 6 weeks at #1 but only 9 weeks in the Top 10 And other people said there were no other instances.
simmnfierzig Posted February 18, 2023 Posted February 18, 2023 On 2/14/2023 at 9:54 PM, Green said: And then it will stay at #3 for a while, unless it gets massive streams Yeah its gonna take a bit of time, if it ever gets there. But it has now overtaken Kill Bill on both Spotify and Apple Music
slw84 Posted February 18, 2023 Posted February 18, 2023 58 minutes ago, industry baby said: Most likely radio got paid to play it until Album release week. Deals like these very often in industry. Right. the album was released 6 weeks after the deal and then declines. Hits don't normally peak in six weeks if they are organic. As I mentioned before, it was pay for play to rise the audience up as high as possible so the stans can do the rest with streaming and buying remixes, clean and explicit or whatever. Cuff it is more of an organic hit and deserves BMS weeks in the top 10 and possibly it's peak.
slw84 Posted February 18, 2023 Posted February 18, 2023 On 2/15/2023 at 4:44 PM, pride4jc1222 said: Your timeline is a bit off. BMS's run on Pop was 30-21-17-13-13-11-10-9-8-7-11. It peaked in Week 10 (three weeks after the album release), so Week 11 was when it was starting to get pulled. wasn't referring to it's pop run...was referring to its overall run and when it started getting declining updates. Also, boy's a liar is about to take the #1 spot in a. few weeks
dussymob Posted February 18, 2023 Posted February 18, 2023 3 hours ago, slw84 said: wasn't referring to it's pop run...was referring to its overall run and when it started getting declining updates. Also, boy's a liar is about to take the #1 spot in a. few weeks Billboard charts aren’t what they used to be. I pay for attention to RIAA certs now.
slw84 Posted February 18, 2023 Posted February 18, 2023 9 minutes ago, dussymob said: Billboard charts aren’t what they used to be. I pay for attention to RIAA certs now. in the streaming era, certs show the long game so I agree with you. Billboard peaks are still cute to witness but sometimes misleading.
pride4jc1222 Posted February 18, 2023 Posted February 18, 2023 20 minutes ago, dussymob said: Billboard charts aren’t what they used to be. I pay for attention to RIAA certs now. The problem with RIAA certs is that some songs/albums haven’t been updated for a long time. There needs to be a rival entity that updates certs in real time. For example, Uptown Funk’s 11x platinum cert is outdated. It’s definitely around 20x platinum.
simmnfierzig Posted February 18, 2023 Posted February 18, 2023 Yeah RIAA would be cool, if not for easily 50% of songs and albums being way undercertified. Its pretty useless that way They need the adopt the UK method and just automatically update everything. And If someone wants that actual physical plaque they can play for that. Really hope that happens someday
Armani? Posted February 18, 2023 Posted February 18, 2023 1 minute ago, simmnfierzig said: Yeah RIAA would be cool, if not for easily 50% of songs and albums being way undercertified. Its pretty useless that way They need the adopt the UK method and just automatically update everything. And If someone wants that actual physical plaque they can play for that. Really hope that happens someday The US is too Capitalist for that unfortunately Would have to be a protest
dussymob Posted February 18, 2023 Posted February 18, 2023 2 hours ago, Armani? said: The US is too Capitalist for that unfortunately Would have to be a protest Well, start the protest.
Miley Cyrus Posted February 18, 2023 Posted February 18, 2023 guys forgive me for sounding stupid but how did cuff it generate that much digital sales last week? like on what platform?
Scars Posted February 18, 2023 Posted February 18, 2023 17 minutes ago, Miley Cyrus said: guys forgive me for sounding stupid but how did cuff it generate that much digital sales last week? like on what platform? Website sales of a new remix + Grammy's boost.
Ger Posted February 19, 2023 Posted February 19, 2023 Quote All charts dated Feb. 25 will update on Billboard.com Wednesday, Feb. 22 (a day later than usual due to the Presidents Day holiday in the U.S. Monday, Feb. 20). Just in case, the announcements this week are going to be delayed.
pride4jc1222 Posted February 19, 2023 Posted February 19, 2023 lol, they're just creating new excuses to delay the charts now. They didn't delay on President's Day last year. I just hope President Carter doesn't pass on Tuesday to create another opportunity to delay the charts another day. Yep, it's beyond time for Billboard to make standard release dates: the 200 on Friday and the Hot 100 on Saturday.
Sinister Posted February 19, 2023 Posted February 19, 2023 5 minutes ago, pride4jc1222 said: lol, they're just creating new excuses to delay the charts now. They didn't delay on President's Day last year. I just hope President Carter doesn't pass on Tuesday to create another opportunity to delay the charts another day. Yep, it's beyond time for Billboard to make standard release dates: the 200 on Friday and the Hot 100 on Saturday. They didn’t?
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