Is Taylor sincere with her inclusivity protocol or is it just her business agenda?

[Legend E]

business agenda, but no one will agree

 

 

 

[MissedTheTrain]

34 minutes ago, cockatoo said:

She set her fans on a young black actress and spent years tormenting another woman for a misunderstanding over some dancers. You tell me

 

Oh lets not.  She didn't "set her fans on a young black actress".  After it had already gone viral on Twitter, she (rightfully) spoke out and said she was offended by a slut-shaming joke that was made about her, after she's been dealing with that sort of thing since her adolescence.  

 

She didn't "spend years tormenting" a woman.  She released a vaguely written song, gave a single interview where she talked about what inspired it. Several years later, the two of them made up.

[MonsterJohn]

24 minutes ago, MissedTheTrain said:

Wrong.  She took part in a PSA in 2008 against hate crimes in the wake of a gay teenager's murder.  She featured a effeminate kid who goes on to become a fashion designer in her video for Mean in 2011.  

You can't be serious this is really some activists ****

 

24 minutes ago, MissedTheTrain said:

As she talks about in her documentary, she was a teenager in Country music and was basically groomed from a young age to "not be like the Dixie Chicks".  

 

She opened up in 2018/2019 about why she was scared to speak up about political issues for so long, and regrets that she didn't sooner, but is doing her part to make up for it.  She's human, she's grown up, and she's genuinely done good for people.  There's no reason to still hold on to this false projection of her.

So she painted herself as victim again?

 

Yes, she did good things. But I have my doubt about her motive. Things like YNTCD video where she included bunch of drag queens while barely acknowledged anything about drag before, and suddenly T*drick being her "friend".

 

Anyway, most of this are moot point when most of the celebrities with power and wealth are all doing bare minimum

Edited January 27, 2023 by MonsterJohn

[Ice Cream Skies]

It's 100% business agenda - and deep down, you all know it, too. 

[Bosque]

Sounds like she is maliciously exploiting the gigantic trans male population for huge sums of money 

[CaptainMusic]

It’s clearly tactical but she can’t win either way, it’s good that she’s aware and making her videos more diverse.

 

YNTCD is embarrassing though 

[JoeAg]

yes, she's sincere. she's grown up in the public eye, and though she's had some prominent controversies, she's matured into a really great and admirable young woman who has a lot of love and respect for a LOT of people. let's stop with this "she's contrived/disingenuous" bs

[kyliefever2002]

it feels kinda insincere given that most of the people that seem to be close to her are white straight people, but ig that its nice enough that she tried to put on an act tho? idk

[byzantium]

2 minutes ago, kyliefever2002 said:

it feels kinda insincere given that most of the people that seem to be close to her are white straight people, but ig that its nice enough that she tried to put on an act tho? idk

Most of the world is straight.  That means unless you are in a bubble, most of people who you interact with are going to be straight.  That doesn’t mean you can’t be sincere about your feelings towards the queer community.  

[RihFenty20]

56 minutes ago, byzantium said:

I’m not the one arguing that anyone is not genuine here.  Remember that.  I just think it is ironic because what you said applies to Rihanna more so than Taylor.  Rihanna is after all the most capitalistic MPG.

How? Rih has seen what’s it’s like to be excluded first hand (even by people whom should’ve welcomed her into the community). She didn’t do what she did *solely* for money. She did what she did because she knows what it’s like to be othered and not have anyone cater to you. Taylor’s doing what she’s doing because it’s expected of her (and everyone else) due to the shift towards diversity. Me stating that fact isn’t an attack on her, it’s literally just the way the world works. 

[byzantium]

Just now, RihFenty20 said:

How? Rih has seen what’s it’s like to be excluded first hand (even by people whom should’ve welcomed her into the community). She didn’t do what she did *solely* for money. She did what she did because she knows what it’s like to be othered and not have anyone cater to you. Taylor’s doing what she’s doing because it’s expected of her (and everyone else) due to the shift towards diversity. Me stating that fact isn’t an attack on her, it’s literally just the way the world works. 

It genuinely sounds like you are struggling with cognitive dissonance here. You have built a world where you of convinced yourself of a certain narrative out of hatred towards a woman and you refuse to acknowledge reality.  Both Rihanna and Taylor are capitalists and if you cannot see that then you are blinded by your worldview.

[RihFenty20]

39 minutes ago, byzantium said:

It genuinely sounds like you are struggling with cognitive dissonance here. You have built a world where you of convinced yourself of a certain narrative out of hatred towards a woman and you refuse to acknowledge reality.  Both Rihanna and Taylor are capitalists and if you cannot see that then you are blinded by your worldview.

Huh? Did you even read and understand what I said? I never argued against Rihanna being a capitalist. She’s a machine as well. However, Rihanna has a background of experiencing discrimination. Taylor does not. Rihanna has always had a diverse group of people around her (take a look at her team and the people she’s been with forever. Hell, even the people she’s featured in her videos). Taylor has not (from what I’ve seen in this thread so far). You pretending that they’re even remotely the same simply because they both primarily benefit in the same way (Profit; which is inherently untrue as Rih is a Caribbean immigrant so all her wins are huge/inspirational for her culture, immigrants (the american dream etc), and black people as a whole) is the true cognitive dissonance. Why is it that your fandom can never think critically or apply a little nuance to your responses? Turn off your stan brain and disregard all your preconceived notions about my disdain for her and READ and INTERPRET what I am typing. I can’t chew your food AND feed it to you. You aren’t a child. 

Edited January 28, 2023 by RihFenty20

[MissedTheTrain]

46 minutes ago, MonsterJohn said:

You can't be serious this is really some activists ****

 

So she painted herself as victim again?

 

Yes, she did good things. But I have my doubt about her motive. Things like YNTCD video where she included bunch of drag queens while barely acknowledged anything about drag before, and suddenly T*drick being her "friend".

 

Anyway, most of this are moot point when most of the celebrities with power and wealth are all doing bare minimum

Again, she was literally a teenager in Country music.  I'm not saying she was out there doing the absolute most work, I'm just saying it's not like she was totally silent about LGBT rights.  She made it known where she stood.

 

Her and Todrick became friends in the 1989 era, so it's not like he came out of nowhere.  Again, around the time of YNTCD, she was open and honest about all of it....saying she didn't realize beforehand that she hadn't made it clear enough where she stood, she hadn't been as bold in activism as she should have been, and didn't realize how to advocate for a group she wasn't a part of, and really regretted it.  She was genuinely trying to grow and be better (her documentary also gives a lot of context and has her explaining her journey with this stuff, and it does seem very sincere). 

 

Was it a lot at once?  Sure, but I do think she had the best intentions.  She put action behind it too....heavily promoting the Equality Act, reposting fans who signed her petition, got her petition to the White House and called them out when they hadn't acknowleged it yet, made huge donations.  And it's not like she totally stopped after that, she's still doing things quietly (like casting a transgender activist as the lead in her video).

[byzantium]

32 minutes ago, RihFenty20 said:

Huh? Did you even read and understand what I said? I never argued against Rihanna being a capitalist. She’s a machine as well. However, Rihanna has a background of experiencing discrimination. Taylor does not. Rihanna has always had a diverse group of people around her (take a look at her team and the people she’s been with forever. Hell, even the people she’s featured in her videos). Taylor has not (from what I’ve seen in this thread so far). You pretending that they’re even remotely the same simply because they both primarily benefit in the same way (Profit; which is inherently untrue as Rih is a Caribbean immigrant so all her wins are huge/inspirational for her culture, immigrants (the american dream etc), and black people as a whole) is the true cognitive dissonance. Why is it that your fandom can never think critically or apply a little nuance to your responses? Turn off your stan brain and disregard all your preconceived notions about my disdain for her and READ and INTERPRET what I am typing. I can’t chew your food AND feed it to you. You aren’t a child. 

Wow, a resident OTH is really having a breakdown.  Ok.  Have fun.

[RihFenty20]

1 minute ago, byzantium said:

Wow, a resident OTH is really having a breakdown.  Ok.  Have fun.

Yeah, I didn’t think you’d have a response either. Have a nice day 

[byzantium]

1 minute ago, RihFenty20 said:

Yeah, I didn’t think you’d have a response either. Have a nice day 

Why waste my time with a troll OTH? Nothing you have said demonstrates that anyone is ingenuine.  You just have your Stan glasses on a little too tight to see that. 

Edited January 28, 2023 by byzantium

[brenda-walsh]

obviously business

 

she went the first 15 years of her career with only white love interests then suddenly starts her inclusivity/diversity schtick after its become mainstream

[RihFenty20]

4 minutes ago, byzantium said:

Why waste my time with a troll OTH? 

Yet, you responded multiple times before. It’s very convenient that now I’m a troll OTH that you can’t be bothered to engage with. So very transparent. 

 

If that’s the rhetoric that you’re going with to cope, so be it. Again, have a nice day. 

Edited January 28, 2023 by RihFenty20

[Aethereal]

4 hours ago, KatyPrismSpirit said:

I think it comes across as slightly disingenuous but it is very nice to see her hand these people amazing opportunities. I only wonder if she made the decision with the intend of improving her own image or not. The latter part can be applied to many pop stars. Taylor is one example

Isn't that obvious?  I don't think she is right-wing in the slightest. But she wants to help her career first before the minorities for sure. 

Edited January 28, 2023 by Aristotle

[byzantium]

3 minutes ago, RihFenty20 said:

Yet, you responded multiple times before. It’s very convenient that now I’m a troll OTH that you can’t be bothered to engage with. So very transparent. 

 

If that’s the rhetoric that you’re going with to cope, so be it. Again, have a nice day. 

Please.  We all see you running into every tread about Taylor to drag her.  You know exactly what you are doing.  

 

[naval23]

Both can be true at the same time 

[ScorpiosGroove]

when has she ever been sincere ? 

[The Music Industry]

4 hours ago, RihFenty20 said:

She’s a capitalist machine.

Get some self-awareness. You literally stan someone whose company was audited for using underpaid child labour working in TERRIBLE conditions in third world countries to sell her overpriced panties and makeup
 

OT: Y'all would complain about lack of diversity if she didn't. Whatever she does, you'd still complain so cut the bullsh*t

[Aethereal]

On 1/28/2023 at 2:14 AM, The Music Industry said:

OT: Y'all would complain about lack of diversity if she didn't. Whatever she does, you'd still complain so cut the bullsh*t

Not if she did apply diversity in early 2010s. She did not call Trump in 2016 or 2015 like most celebrities did. I do agree that many celebrities that did start appearing more inclusive towards minorities BEFORE her are nearly as much infested in business agenda as Taylor is. It's just that Taylor is more cautious (this part also includes the timing of her inclusivity) in her image that makes her more obvious than others.

Edited January 29, 2023 by Aristotle

[RihFenty20]

22 minutes ago, byzantium said:

Please.  We all see you running into every tread about Taylor to drag her.  You know exactly what you are doing.  

 

Except I didn’t even drag her. I literally just said that she’s a machine that’s doing it to appease the masses because diversity is trendy right now. I even went as far as saying that she isn’t the only one, and that she’s simply following a standard set by society to show that my response wasn’t intended to bash her in anyway. If you took that as an attack based on my history, then it’s on you. But in this one case there was no malicious intent. I was simply responding to the OP.