Is Taylor sincere with her inclusivity protocol or is it just her business agenda?

[alestevens]

21 minutes ago, MissedTheTrain said:

I don't know why she can't do good and grow as a person without some people saying she has other motives, it's not good enough, etc.  It just kinda shows that I think you might need to check the bias you have against her that you're trying to project onto her actions.  I get that her activism during YNTCD seemed like a lot at once, but she was honest in interviews at the time and her Miss Americana doc about why she was scared to speak up in her earlier years (even though she did, plenty of times, which people kind of ignore) and how she regretted not doing more sooner.  She put actual action behind it...promoting the Equality Act, petitions to the White House, huge donations, etc.

 

She has talked about how she genuinely wants to do better and grow as a person, and she has.

 

Most of the roles in the YNTCD video were people she had friendships with.  And the ones she didn't know beforehand only had great things to say.

 

Her love interest in the Lover video is Christian Owens, one of her backup dancers for years.

 

 

Her love interest in the Willow video is Taeok Lee, who has been her dancer and friend for even longer.

 

 

 

 

Putting a transgender actor as the lead in Lavender Haze is amazing representation.

 

 

Needless to mention she actually helped Christian get a record deal before the Lover video, and that she's now having him as an opener for The Eras Tour

[FightDragonsWithMe]

Taylor really is damned if she does and damned if she doesn't huh? 

[KatyPrismSpirit]

12 minutes ago, Beyonnaise said:

I agree with you. But what is your proposed solution to this? Keeping the status quo of straight whiteness in everything?

 

This is the kind of "analysis" from fellow people on the left that I dislike, because it's full of complaining but light on actual ways to improve things.

i guess there isnt really a proposed solution. For me, it should come across as something natural and not forced. I can only praise taylor for her effort but even there can still be an underlying business maneuver to what she does. which that is wrong if you are strategically using them only for that intend or to promote your own image. if that makes sense 

Edited January 27, 2023 by KatyPrismSpirit

[By the Water]

3 minutes ago, JohnWayneHolland said:

A performance from 10 years ago  Taylor just starred in a movie directed by an abuser last year.

 

Also, your username is literally a reference to a Gaga song named after a racist. Save us the fake outrage

[Cloudy]

Nothing Taylor does isn't business savy or to promote herself pls

[VOSS]

18 minutes ago, MissedTheTrain said:

Also though, she isn't flaunting her friends these days like she was 10 years ago, she's pretty private. And that said, she has shown inclusivity in her friends (whenever she's shown them).

[Dr. Alexander]

Taylor Swift is a businesswoman. She moves where the money moves. Can you blame her?
 

Everyone is quite familiar with Taylor Swift and her brand of being the most All-American white girl that ever stepped on the music scene. It completely worked and sold her as an artist and as a brand. 
 

Now that inclusivity and diversity has become a top-selling niche in the market, that’s where she is going. That’s also where Abercrombie and Fitch, Victoria Secret, and other companies. Either you catch up, or be left behind. 

[Bloodflowers.]

I think it's great that she is being inclusive. It's a great message and just being a decent human being for showcasing diverse group of people on her platform.

[sxhunluv]

Well....

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 27, 2023 by sxhunluv

[swissman]

I don't have an issue with purposefully including certain demographics when for a long time these same demographics were PURPOSEFULLY denied inclusion.

[Beyonnaise]

13 minutes ago, KatyPrismSpirit said:

i guess there isnt really a proposed solution. For me, it should come across as something natural and not forced. I can only praise taylor for her effort and i do believe her intentions are pure but even there can still be an underlying business maneuver to what she does. which that is wrong if you are strategically using them only for that intend. if that makes sense 

I feel like these conversations just always feel circular because objectively, it's true that corporations, etc. use minorities for social goodwill, PR and money. But while diverse representation can often feel "forced", isn't it ultimately a net positive because minorities are still getting a foot in the door even if the corporation is ultimately using them? What happens is (and I'm obv not saying you're doing this) conservatives will basically imply that hiring any minority is thus "part of a woke agenda", like when Disney hired a black actress to play a mermaid. But they never thought of it an attack on whiteness or part of a liberal agenda when Disney Channel had black leads like Raven in shows in the 2000s. Because everything is political now, every decision made by powerful people is viewed through the prism of "authenticity" and "calculatedness". There's then really no way around this for Taylor casting music video actors. If he's not diverse, people will complain. If he is, people will complain.

Edited January 27, 2023 by Beyonnaise

[alestevens]

15 minutes ago, VOSS said:

Not exactly sure what this single photo about one particular day is supposed to tell us in the context of this conversation, but okay

[MonsterJohn]

She's the most disingenuous and calculated pop girl, she would never do something progressive if it isn't safe and beneficial for her image. It's already like that since the beginning

 

Peak white mediocrity + capitalism

[McNulty]

1 hour ago, KatyPrismSpirit said:

Do you believe this is sincere from Taylor's behalf or does she feel the urge to do this because of societal pressures and sustaining a good reputation.

the female Harry Styles 

[MissedTheTrain]

38 minutes ago, VOSS said:

Exactly like I said in the post you quoted....this picture is from the 1989 era, 8 years ago. She isn't flaunting her friends around like that much these days, she's more private.  The last times she has though:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[MissedTheTrain]

32 minutes ago, MonsterJohn said:

She's the most disingenuous and calculated pop girl, she would never do something progressive if it isn't safe and beneficial for her image. It's already like that since the beginning

 

Peak white mediocrity + capitalism

And you know that because.....?

 

I don't get why some of you can't let go of the insane bias you hold against her.  You don't even know her.

[PoisonedIvy]

See, this thread might have some merit if she hadn’t already quietly been employing the same 4 women of color as her backup singers every single year since the Red era in 2012. She doesn’t make a spectacle of the inclusivity she practices, so while yes, she “benefits” from having a diverse range of collaborators, she’s also not championing herself as some sort of moral compass that other people should follow.
 

She’s giving these people a platform because she’s a lot more socially conscious now than she was as a teenager in the country music industry where white men make the rules. 

Edited January 27, 2023 by WeFoundTrouble

[ChrisTheLoner]

She is genuine, especially considering she’s not making some huge deal about it.

 

But even if it was just a “business agenda”, she’s still giving them a platform so why question it? Some of y’all can’t just sit and eat your food and be glad she’s giving them a platform 

[PoisonedIvy]

4 minutes ago, MissedTheTrain said:

And you know that because.....?

 

I don't get why some of you can't let go of the insane bias you hold against her.  You don't even know her.

It’s disheartening. Like damn. I get not liking the music of an artist. But I don’t feel like any other pop girl gets so much PERSONAL hatred as Taylor. (Well, Britney definitely gets a lot of unwarranted antagonizing too as a human by people who don’t know her either. But Taylor is definitely up there)

[cockatoo]

She set her fans on a young black actress and spent years tormenting another woman for a misunderstanding over some dancers. You tell me

 

[FightDragonsWithMe]

If Taylor used LGBTQ+ as a "shock factor" would she still be questioned? 💀

[JonginBey]

We are shocked you feel this way!

[byzantium]

2 hours ago, RihFenty20 said:

Of course I would. Rihanna was one of the first major champions of inclusivity. However, hers comes off as more genuine because she was ahead of the curve (as usual). Before she became a mogul, she faced many hardships in the music industry for being a black-immigrant. Many urban 00s icons always speak about how monumental it was that Rihanna, a black woman, was able to dominate pop radio because everyone else struggles to cross over. If you were truly the fan that you pretend to be, you’d know this. 

I’m not the one arguing that anyone is not genuine here.  Remember that.  I just think it is ironic because what you said applies to Rihanna more so than Taylor.  Rihanna is after all the most capitalistic MPG.

[MonsterJohn]

29 minutes ago, MissedTheTrain said:

And you know that because.....?

 

I don't get why some of you can't let go of the insane bias you hold against her.  You don't even know her.

well do you know her?

 

we all make judgements from her action throughout her career

 

like she would never dare to fight for gay right in 2011 as Gaga was fearlessly doing at that time, she sidelined all the political issues until she fully moved away from her country root. Those screams calculate to me

[MissedTheTrain]

4 minutes ago, MonsterJohn said:

well do you know her?

 

we all make judgements from her action throughout her career

 

like she would never dare to fight for gay right in 2011 as Gaga was fearlessly doing at that time, she sidelined all the political issues until she fully moved away from her country root. Those screams calculate to me

Wrong.  She took part in a PSA in 2008 against hate crimes in the wake of a gay teenager's murder.  She featured a effeminate kid who goes on to become a fashion designer in her video for Mean in 2011.  As she talks about in her documentary, she was a teenager in Country music and was basically groomed from a young age to "not be like the Dixie Chicks".  

 

She opened up in 2018/2019 about why she was scared to speak up about political issues for so long, and regrets that she didn't sooner, but is doing her part to make up for it.  She's human, she's grown up, and she's genuinely done good for people.  There's no reason to still hold on to this false projection of her.