More Influential: Beyoncé vs. Lady Gaga

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1 hour ago, Lemon said:

Sure, if her output is more consumed, then she is. Influencing people as a musician means ( at least to me ) that people listen to your music. 

 

I definitely have my own preferences between these two and I am more inclined towards Bey’s ( slightly more ), but that’s irrelevant, so my original comment was just what I would use to determine answer to this question. 

Awesome. So the the answer is Beyoncé 

 

Thank you beloved 

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2 hours ago, King_Lonnie said:

White gays are truly delusional  Gaga will never come close to Beyoncé, no one after Beyoncé comes close to her. 

This is not shade either you guys.

 

it’s just a Snapple FACT

[bijonse]

Beyoncé is way more influential 

[CaptainMusic]

Beyoncé 

[swissman]

2 hours ago, BGKC said:

Yes you’ve made several points regarding this. I’d just say Bey

was among quite a few that slowly reshaped the playing field in pop music. She just so happened to be the greatest, most iconic success to come out of that movement. But to give credit where it’s due, Gaga wasn’t a part of a movement. She started a new movement. That’s the only thing I’d put above Bey, but Gaga ultimately fumbled by the third album and was becoming too gimmicky (poor choices were also made). And then Beyoncé changed the game by the end of that same year. Gaga had to drop the “FAME” schtick and find a way to regain respect through other endeavors (ASIB, Cheek to Cheek, etc)

Yes I don't think Beyoncé solely came out of nowhere and said "here's a completely new idea: rap-singing". I don't even think she thought she was trying to do something different, just make music in a fun way with a great result, but as always, there is the way a style is used before its popularity and then a popular act makes it a mainstream thing and it becomes an actual thing, here to stay, and all that is part of their influence too, especially if that popular act is able to do it in their own way, not just repeating the exact style of lesser known examples.

 

This is no different than Lady Gaga though. Most of her shtick was already present in pop in some form, she kind of just synthesized it into one complete package and became the poster-girl for it, but most of the elements of The Fame's branding were all present in the 3-5 years before her debut in the likes of Gwen Stefani (both musically [Bubble Pop Electric is clearly an inspiration for some The Fame album tracks and image-wise, with Gwen being quite a "fashion" girl in her time as well as presenting a hedonistic pop-for-pop's-sake branding), Rihanna (musically, in that dance-pop was on its way up for her as early as 2007's Don't Stop The Music) and even some lesser known pop-acts like Uffie's specific style of pop-rapping that Gaga utilized on The Fame as well. Even Katy Perry to an extent, though she felt more "real" was highly cartoonish and came with a ready-made-pop-image from the get-go with her pin-up meets indie-pop-star look.

 

I think what made Gaga unique is that she didn't pretend to be necessarily relatable or even human, she came as a ready-made star as almost a parody of pop itself, which was innovative in that moment and gave her such instant appeal, recognition and notoriety. Her use of paparazzi in The Fame era (posing with tea cups) also lent itself really well to encapsulating her vibe (as a sort of post-Paris Hilton-pop-star) in a way no one else was...but I'm not sure if that alone is influence, but just brilliant pop-artistry.

 

I am not taking anything away from the icon that Gaga is, or what she represented and how impactful she really was at the time, but I don't agree that she existed without an existing movement, because the ingredients were all there and even already hugely popular.

 

Edited January 21, 2023 by swissman

[swissman]

2 hours ago, Somnambulist said:

All of this just makes me want to listen to Janet lol

 

Her 93 album Janet was so ahead of its time it’s not even funny. That’s the way love goes and If still sound fresh today. Her run from Rhythm Nation to Damita Jo was incredible. 

omg I was just listening to the album last night and wondering to what extent it inspired RENAISSANCE because her use of samples, the layered musical styles and even switches of mood in a single song is very reminiscent of the work Beyoncé did for RENAISSANCE, as is her assertions of black feminism. Janet really was ahead of her time (even into the 1980s) and it's absolutely outrageous that she does not get her proper credit by the general public for doing all she has, especially given the time she did it too. And yes then there's the question of just how unbelievable it is that her quality was that high. I'd even add Discipline to that run, which is so good too.

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Beyoncé

[TheHanyo]

Both very influential. Gaga probably had more impact on fashion, culture, music and film. Beyonce has more influence on Black culture (obv) and was the first to do the surprise all-video album drop. I don't think her Parkwood artists have done that well, though. Chloe & Halle have only had mid eras.

[TheHanyo]

 

[Diocles]

Gaga's global peak destroys Beyonce's local success

[kyliefever2002]

beyonce by really really really far

[momal]

Beyonce I guess, but her impact is overrated on this site.

[ReH2o]

Bey

[Bethenny Frankel]

Gaga for sure.

[RihannaLoverrr]

Beyoncé, sweetie…

[Winged]

Everyone knows Beyonce around the world…

so her 

[King_Lonnie]

On 1/22/2023 at 9:34 AM, Diocles said:

Gaga's global peak destroys Beyonce's local success

Lol yet started flopping before her 5th album  she had to result to Hollywood to get success again 

[satellites.™]

Beyonce, even Taylor and Adele stan her.

[*-ChriZ-*]

One of the two will stand in line and hope to be selected for the other one's tribute performances when the time comes. That says it all

 

[Squall]

Obviously Beyoncé. What is Gaga's current impact? Ava Max?

[youkneekorn]

Beyoncé by a mile for both. 

[Bears01]

Beyonce easily

[Chris]

Beyonce.

 

[GraceRandolph]

Gaga could've died in 2013 and she still would be more influential than Bey at her peak and overall.

[Bears01]

5 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said:

Gaga could've died in 2013 and she still would be more influential than Bey at her peak and overall.

Yeah, okay