Fifteen Posted June 8, 2023 Posted June 8, 2023 The only thing that bothers me about the visualizers is that they didn't even use them in the Spotify canvas Also why she or her team make a playlist on YouTube with the visualizers and the tracks (Taylor does it and it looks cool) OT: Agree with the Happy praise the way it grew on me is just so good 1
bearman Posted June 8, 2023 Posted June 8, 2023 11 minutes ago, Fifteen said: The only thing that bothers me about the visualizers is that they didn't even use them in the Spotify canvas They're using them (at least on the French Spotify)
Fifteen Posted June 8, 2023 Posted June 8, 2023 53 minutes ago, bearman said: They're using them (at least on the French Spotify) I've only seen the one for Eat The Acid and Fine Line the rest is just a black background with Kesha/Gag Order
Sawk Posted June 9, 2023 Posted June 9, 2023 First heard this album this week and I’m obsessed Miss Kesha actually snapped 3
Iaintsorry Posted June 9, 2023 Posted June 9, 2023 Ugh I hate that her label stopped supporting her releases. Like I get she’s just trying to get out of her contract, but she’s still got a fanbase and they’re stupid for not trying to maximize sales/streams. 1
CroNich Posted June 9, 2023 Posted June 9, 2023 16 minutes ago, Iaintsorry said: Ugh I hate that her label stopped supporting her releases. Like I get she’s just trying to get out of her contract, but she’s still got a fanbase and they’re stupid for not trying to maximize sales/streams. Agreed. Rainbow proved she had AC appeal. I feel like you have to go searching for Gag Order promo in order to find it. I don’t know if that was her intention, to keep it very minimal but the album deserves so many more streams than it has. 1
CroNich Posted June 9, 2023 Posted June 9, 2023 What does Kesha’s story mean the poll ‘make gag order chart June 30’. Why is June 30 important? Also girl get your team to book you some actual promo!!!
Catch22 Posted June 9, 2023 Posted June 9, 2023 5 minutes ago, CroNich said: What does Kesha’s story mean the poll ‘make gag order chart June 30’. Why is June 30 important? Also girl get your team to book you some actual promo!!! Vinyl release that day
CroNich Posted June 9, 2023 Posted June 9, 2023 40 minutes ago, Catch22 said: Vinyl release that day Will vinyls really make that much of an impact?
josesuxx Posted June 9, 2023 Author Posted June 9, 2023 1 hour ago, CroNich said: Will vinyls really make that much of an impact? No
CroNich Posted June 9, 2023 Posted June 9, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, josesuxx said: No Welp… we best get streaming i feel like this may be an instance where it won’t be truly appreciated for some time. Like I’m sure my limited edition vinyl will be worth a tonne because they will have been so little made Edited June 9, 2023 by CroNich
bearman Posted June 9, 2023 Posted June 9, 2023 I sound like a broken record but an NPR Tiny Desk concert can truly gather right amount of eyes and ears to this kind or record. 1
TomTom Posted June 9, 2023 Posted June 9, 2023 (edited) New super insightful interview with NYLON! On her fans: Spoiler Three years is a long time to direct your energy into one thing. How are you feeling with how your fans have been embracing these songs? I’m so indescribably grateful to my fans every day. Of course, I try to interact with them on social media as much as possible, but just the support — I feel like I have this family and allyship and little army that really understands and sees me for who I am. I think, in life, one of the things we crave and need is to be seen and heard. Do you go online and read about your record? Honestly, I haven't done it in 10 years. Pre-TikTok, I found social media super overwhelming and I always loved the connection it brought, but it also brought this unfiltered amount of hatred and animosity. I feel like it's a place where people can say whatever they want, to whomever they want, with reckless abandon. Weeding through that came really hard to me so I had to remove myself entirely from it about 10 years ago, but it's been really fun to go on and connect with my fans. I have a song called “Hate Me Harder,” and that is a love song to my haters because I'm like, b*tch, that's all you got? I do go online and read stuff and I'm questioning whether or not that's necessarily the healthiest thing to do, but if I don’t go and look, then I don’t get to see all my fans making all these videos and re-creating photo shoots and doing dances. I don't want to miss that. On Hate Me Harder: Spoiler Since you brought up “Hate Me Harder,” I would love to talk about it. I love that you called it a love song to your haters, because that's such a nice way to put it. Was there a specific incident that prompted you to write it? I’ve been doing music since I was able to talk and I've been putting it out publicly since 2008. So you can imagine I’ve read lots of gnarly, heartbreaking, mean things about myself. It used to become my higher power in a way where I would take one person’s comment as God’s truth about who I am, and I’m so happy to finally be in a place where I can sit back and laugh and not earn my self-worth from external validation, and I just, I f*cking love that song. That was one of the first songs I wrote when I really seriously started making this album and I went to [songwriter] Justin Tranter and he hosted a tiny little writing camp and we all were sitting in the basement of his house. I was sitting on the floor and I was like, “I just have one part but it goes, hate me harder,” and then everybody in the room starts singing it together. So it's eight people in a room screaming, “Hate me harder.” It just felt so powerful and I thought about how playing that on tour would feel and how that would translate to each and every person, especially the community that is so important to me, the queer community, the LGBTQ+. I just thought of how many people could benefit from taking the pain we've endured from other people's mouths and turning it into power. On High Road: Spoiler Earlier you talked about the importance of being seen. When NYLON published your manifesto, you wrote in your essay that after you released your last album, you were feeling a bit lost. There was a line, like: “If an artist creates a piece that no one knows exist, are they still an artist?” What was missing from the aftermath of High Road that made you feel this way? As much as I love High Road, I feel like a portion of that album was me trying to manifest happiness in a period in my life that has been obviously publicly very difficult, not going to deny that. So a lot of High Road was me taking the celebratory side of myself back. But what I realized after I put it out, which was very closely followed by this collective trauma we all endured, I didn't get to see the project into its full completion. When I am making an album, I feel like the music is the foundation of the house, and I built this foundation that I was excited to bring to completion. I never got to do that, which was heartbreaking for me, and as I'm saying this, I'm fully aware that was the least of any of our problems in this period of time, but it just felt really sad to me to not get to share it with my fans. I also realized in the three years since I put that out, that there were a lot of emotions that I wanted to pretend weren't there to create this world of escapism that I'm so well known for. I love escapism, we all need it. [But] to feel like I was being truly authentic and putting my authentic self out there as an artist, I had to go back and address a lot of these emotions that I just wanted to skip over and pretend didn't exist in hopes that they would disappear. I had to go through doing this exorcism of pain and grief and anger, and that's what eventually led to the strength and hopefulness of the last couple songs on the album. On unreleased song The Reckoning: Spoiler What do you feel like was the biggest false narrative that you were trying to dispel or break free from? I think that in life, we're all just a culmination of our experiences. We all have a world we've built through what we've experienced in our lives, and that becomes our truth, that becomes our worldview. When I was forced to be still, I even wrote a song called “The Reckoning” because I feel like I came to a reckoning with myself. In this stillness, I had this psychedelic experience, which I've talked about a little before in other interviews, but I was sitting at my house and having so much anxiety and really questioning my worth in the world and my place and what I do and why I do it, and I felt like I had this really transformative, almost transcendent experience where I felt my mind scatter and open up to the idea of there being something greater than me and feeling held by the universe in a way where I didn't feel like I had to control everything anymore. On The Drama: Spoiler That brings me to “The Drama,” which, for me, is kind of a standout song on the album. It's such a great example of the sonic boundaries you're pushing on this record. How did that song come about and what did it mean for you to write it? “The Drama” is such an interesting song to me because it started as a ballad and then it became what it is, which I don't even know what to call it. I'm calling the album “post-pop.” And I feel like that song is this crescendo of madness that, to me, was a reflection of the world we live in, and sometimes when I'm on TikTok or Instagram and there's so many sounds you're scrolling through and it can go from happy to sad, and there's so many things coming at you from all angles, so much information. I wanted to make a song that kind of encapsulated the media, the perpetual media bombardment on our senses into a song. So I think of “The Drama” as the sound of TikTok. The ending of just being about wanting to be a cat, I feel like fits in so well. Well, in the end, it comes to this place of interpolating the Ramones’ “I Wanna Be Sedated” and I took that song because I always vacuum to the Ramones and I scream Ramones songs while I’m vacuuming in my house. So I wanted to take that, slow it down, and then add the house cat song, which I wrote with Kurt Vile, and mix them together. It really sounded like this desperation for just wanting peace in your mind, but also the very human nature of being addicted to drama. I think we as a society, if you just look at our consumption of media, we click on things that are salacious and we are, for whatever reason, we are drawn to drama, to bad news, and I really wanted to write a song about the human nature of that because it's funny. Being a person, we want peace and we want happiness, but the drama is what we are all, I think, addicted to. On her future career: Spoiler You're decades into your career and you've had huge hits and big moments in pop culture, and I think a lot of your fans (and non-fans) would agree that you really left a legacy on pop music. At this point, what more do you want from your career and making music moving forward? I feel like the albums are chapters in the book of my life. So I think I'll always be making music, whether it's privately or publicly or just in my head. It's always there because it's my coping mechanism for life, but the first thing I hope is that people listen to my music and find that they're not alone, and that's especially why I wanted to put some songs out there that were not as overwhelmingly positive. There is no light without dark, there's no dark without light. I think it's important to show the balance of what my humanity is. I also just want to continue creating a safe space for people to feel like they can be the most authentic version of themself with me and they feel safe. To me, the most important thing in my entire career is helping others to feel seen and helping others to feel safe. So I'm hoping to branch out into some philanthropic things. I'm in the works of opening a drag bar in Nashville, and I just want to continue making people feel seen and people feel safe. https://www.nylon.com/entertainment/kesha-gag-order-album-eat-the-acid-the-drama Takeaways: She loves us . It's really striking that she said she withdrew from social media 10 years ago which falls right in line what many of us said with respect to the lawsuit taking a toll on her social media presence. Her elaborating on High Road's backstory is sooo interesting because I feel like it really sheds a new light on the whole album. Many people found High Road's overall direction regressive/inauthentic to a degree, but Kesha says her intention was "me trying to manifest happiness in a period of my life that has obviously been publicly very difficult", so there was clearly a very genuine element to what might come across as insincere. This really echoes what I said with respect to Rainbow some pages ago. We need The Reckoning . Her explaining the background of The Drama is so interesting because "the sound of TikTok" definitely wasn't my first association with that song. "Branching out into some philanthropic things" is honestly exactly what I expected from her. 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SmittenCake Posted June 9, 2023 Posted June 9, 2023 just remembered that I bought VIP tickets for one of her shows and now I'm ecstatic LOL. This happens once every couple of days.
Tylerbv Posted June 9, 2023 Posted June 9, 2023 I thought this album was pretty good on first listen but it just keeps getting better 3
ATRL Moderator madonnas Posted June 10, 2023 ATRL Moderator Posted June 10, 2023 I did give this another chance and enjoyed it more. It would say hate me harder still is a skip but the rest varied from decent to pretty good and it’s carried by its variety / whiplash effects too. 1
CroNich Posted June 10, 2023 Posted June 10, 2023 Yeah I wouldn’t be surprised if she steps away from the music industry, at least for a few years; especially since Gag Order has underperformed as well.
Littlejfrey Posted June 10, 2023 Posted June 10, 2023 Happy has really grew on me these last couple of days, what a beautiful song I need the live version Cmon ms Kesha, I like your interviews and all but we need some live performances and a music video, but I already gave up on that
Temporal Posted June 10, 2023 Posted June 10, 2023 22 hours ago, CroNich said: Agreed. Rainbow proved she had AC appeal. I feel like you have to go searching for Gag Order promo in order to find it. I don’t know if that was her intention, to keep it very minimal but the album deserves so many more streams than it has. I think RCA has been supporting her the way they know how, but the reality is that this album isn't for the same audience that loved Animal and Warrior. This is the least poppy of her releases by far so this was always going to be a tough sell.
CroNich Posted June 10, 2023 Posted June 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Temporal said: I think RCA has been supporting her the way they know how, but the reality is that this album isn't for the same audience that loved Animal and Warrior. This is the least poppy of her releases by far so this was always going to be a tough sell. I mean she pulled it off with Rainbow. But the difference between the promo for each album is night and day. Idk maybe she expected the album to take off or go viral by itself but most people don’t even know she has a new album out.
hypnodemiluv Posted June 10, 2023 Posted June 10, 2023 i just can't with some people on ATRL... they sh*ts on Kesha just because she's doing low numbers!? where is moral compass? ATRL is toxic and it hurts that they can't support her after terrible things that happened! 6 1
CroNich Posted June 10, 2023 Posted June 10, 2023 (edited) 39 minutes ago, hypnodemiluv said: i just can't with some people on ATRL... they sh*ts on Kesha just because she's doing low numbers!? where is moral compass? ATRL is toxic and it hurts that they can't support her after terrible things that happened! Yep we have a few fanbases that hate her just because the whole scandals either affected their faves reputation or music quality Edited June 10, 2023 by CroNich 1
sh0ckw4ves Posted June 10, 2023 Posted June 10, 2023 On 6/9/2023 at 9:38 AM, CroNich said: Will vinyls really make that much of an impact? It is absolutely stupid that the releases weren't aligned though a lot of high road's sales were due to tour bundles and a higher chart position (which would have happened with vinyls, however small) increases her position when looking for her next label
Iaintsorry Posted June 11, 2023 Posted June 11, 2023 On 6/9/2023 at 9:01 PM, Temporal said: I think RCA has been supporting her the way they know how, but the reality is that this album isn't for the same audience that loved Animal and Warrior. This is the least poppy of her releases by far so this was always going to be a tough sell. Isn’t this even more reason to promote it? Because it’s less pop they should be pushing it on other formats, she should be out there showcasing the material and giving vocal moments, gaining new fans. I feel like Praying smashed because it was so different coming from Kesha and she actually served vocals in performances that got ppl on board.
Temporal Posted June 11, 2023 Posted June 11, 2023 9 hours ago, Iaintsorry said: Isn’t this even more reason to promote it? Because it’s less pop they should be pushing it on other formats, she should be out there showcasing the material and giving vocal moments, gaining new fans. I feel like Praying smashed because it was so different coming from Kesha and she actually served vocals in performances that got ppl on board. They could be pushing it on other formats or not branding it as a Pop album, but it is incredibly hard for someone like Kesha who has been so pop branded to get editorial support in other spaces. It's a sort of catch-22 because you know you can get Pop support for Kesha even though the album's not really Pop, but selling a genre switch would be harder to get support for even if it better matches the album. Kesha has been promoting the album pretty hard, it's interesting that it's not making as many waves as I would've thought with such an arresting cover and title, but this just isn't a commercial record so it wasn't going to have that kind of success. And to some degree Praying smashed because it was different for her and a great track, but the controversy absolutely pushed that song higher just like we saw the viral controversies/moments push Flowers so hard earlier in the year. There just hasn't really been anything like that for this project.
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