Save-Me-Oprah Posted November 10, 2023 Posted November 10, 2023 32 minutes ago, Queenyoncee said: Why are the Seoul Music Awards being held in Bangkok
Queenyoncee Posted November 10, 2023 Posted November 10, 2023 SM is pushing every female artist in November I guess HYO is also coming
cloudbusting Posted November 10, 2023 Posted November 10, 2023 im very curious about how babydumpster’s debut will sound like 2NE1 and BP had legendary bops so my expectations are high at the very least they probably won’t snatch worst debut from NMESS
Save-Me-Oprah Posted November 10, 2023 Posted November 10, 2023 SM on October 1st when they realized they haven't done anything all year long: 1
Queenyoncee Posted November 10, 2023 Posted November 10, 2023 (edited) Probably a ballad with a simple video Edited November 10, 2023 by Queenyoncee 1
Save-Me-Oprah Posted November 10, 2023 Posted November 10, 2023 Other than Yawn, Hyo and Yoona who else is still at SM, anyway? you know things are getting bad when they couldn't even keep Susan on the books of the family business
Queenyoncee Posted November 10, 2023 Posted November 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, Save-Me-Oprah said: Other than Yawn, Hyo and Yoona who else is still at SM, anyway? Miss Yuri
CandyCoatedClouds Posted November 10, 2023 Posted November 10, 2023 12 hours ago, Adama said: This stage design is incredible btw Oh wow, a Korean record label actually giving budget for the stage. Kpop concerts are so lackluster in that aspect. Rake in all this money and nothing but a cheap ass stage with some led screens. 8 hours ago, Witnessed ET said: Just heard this now…how do we feel about it? @CandyCoatedClouds i mean of course they can’t keep doing the darker vampire sound forever but idk if funk is right for them It sounds... like a TXT song, which is weird because that group doesn't really have a signature sound. I'll have to have the full track to know how I feel for sure. 2 hours ago, I Melt Away said: I know this is super old and obscure for most people but I'm so glad Korea has moved on from ultra-depressing story music videos (like BIGBANG Haru Haru and all of the early-mid 2000 K-ballad vids) I remember I was TRAUMATIZED as a toddler when Fin.K.L released this song and video after serving OG aegyo with Forever Love and OG c*nt with Now. It starts with 4 young girls having fun and cuts forward into the future with them all living depressing ass lives (a struggling boxer, a flower shop owner with terminal illness, a pr*stitute masseur, and a failed comic artist who commits su*cide at the end by exploding her apartment ) and they have the nerve to cut back to the shot of them as kids again blissfuly unaware of their bleak future. There was another Fin.K.L video where a member dies after getting sh*t in the head I cannot imagine K-pop groups doing this kind of music video now It's a mixed bag for kpop on this on e. It feels like we used to get more sorry based videos, not lore or world building but still a simple plot, which almost never happens anymore. Though, at least it's not, whatever this is. 1
Pikachu Posted November 10, 2023 Posted November 10, 2023 22 minutes ago, Queenyoncee said: Miss Yuri Yuri is a chef now
Blueberry Kisses Posted November 10, 2023 Posted November 10, 2023 I'm not sure I 100% agree with everything in this article but this is the most succinct takedown of HYBE I've seen so far Quote What we’re witnessing is the latest volley in HYBE’s lengthy battle to completely vulture capital the K-Pop industry, killing off what was left of the genre and replacing it with cheaply made and produced, middest of mid, blandest of bland mainstream American Top 40 Pop. This is the direction first BigHit then HYBE have been trending in since they first started picking up traction in the USA and it’s only accelerated since picking up Scooter Braun to join the team (and check out the excellent Money 4 Nothing episode diving into his history.) BTS’s “English trilogy” were K-Pop’s Waterloo… and no, not the good one, the other one where Napoleon met his utter defeat. The names should send chills down your spine, the sheer mediocrity contained within: “Dynamite,” “Butter,” and “Permission to Dance.” Songs so mediocre that I honestly prefer the Kids Bop versions because at the least the vocals are cleanly mixed. That bland “English trilogy” is now the face of K-Pop in the USA. Thanks to HYBE, “K-Pop” no longer means the big pop art wildness of the last boom—songs that sparked critical interest but were also cool like “Fantastic Baby,” “Bar Bar Bar,” “Catallena”—it means the same Ed Sheeran and Jack Antonoff songs that you’re already hearing on the radio except done by some Korean guys in multicolored hair with the trademarked garbled HYBE vocal sound and you’ll get called a racist by unhinged, online stans if you say you don’t like it. Yeah, I’d want to distance myself from the “K-Pop” label, too. Because here is something that some stans refuse to understand: It’s not just about the language the lyrics are written in that makes a song “English” or “Korean.”. There are musical things like song structure, ways of singing, chord choices, production choices, etc. that go into crafting a song. And these things will be different depending on the market. One of the best examples of a K-Pop song done in English without losing the “K-Pop” of it is GOT7’s “Lullaby”. It sounds exactly like what it is: A K-Pop song with English lyrics. That is not what this discourse is about. Dropping the “K” from K-Pop means not only retooling the types of songs being released to appeal to a “global” (read American) ear (a direction that many, myself included, are not all that fond of, which is why we turned to K-Pop in the first place) but it also means throwing away the decades of existing branding, which includes ties to the very popular K-drama market, as well as shedding the existing market for K-Pop (aka people like me) in the hopes of pulling a larger audience from… mainstream pop fans? Except that we already have mainstream Top 40 Pop in the USA. What is Jungkook doing that whatever English-language Top 40 Pop It Boy isn’t already doing? Collabing with Jack Harlow? It’s been done. Why would we want an imported Lil Nas X or Harry Styles when we already have Lil Nas X and Harry Styles at home? If you’ll forgive me the digression, S.M. Entertainment actually did manage to pull a “Just Pop” with TVXQ in Japan. They filed off the “K” and turned TVXQ into a Japanese boy group from Korea. But it took years of work, dedicated language practice, and creating a quality product that was different from the domestic boy groups already on the market in Japan and—the important part—offered something that appealed to a large swathe of Japanese boy group fans. I have yet to see HYBE put forth anything as ambitious this for the American market. https://www.theidolcast.com/posts/just-pop-hold-the-k 7
Odette Violet Posted November 10, 2023 Posted November 10, 2023 22 minutes ago, Blueberry Kisses said: HYBE vocal sound Oop Ngl I missed this BTS. 1
Odette Violet Posted November 10, 2023 Posted November 10, 2023 Thank goodness we still have Red Velvet who truly masters the art of pop music in both worlds.
Harrier Posted November 10, 2023 Posted November 10, 2023 33 minutes ago, Blueberry Kisses said: I'm not sure I 100% agree with everything in this article but this is the most succinct takedown of HYBE I've seen so far https://www.theidolcast.com/posts/just-pop-hold-the-k This is very scathing and I think it's absolutely true of Hybe's English releases and especially of BTS. I don't think it applies in the same way to Hybe's girl groups though - Lesserafim and NewJeans both have never reached the utter mediocrity of Permission to Dance or Butter. I also think that it reads like a bitter second gen stan that can't accept change or is forgetting the many, many horrendous overly autotuned, cringy english, dance era reject songs that were in 2nd gen. Like they pick 10/10 classics like Catallena but ignore the likes of, idk, Shinee's Amigo I do have gripes with all Hybe groups and new K-pop in general though, and that is I think there is an erasure of the detailedness that is what makes the genre great for me. Take NewJeans: their music is by no means bad, but it just isn't very intricate and the girls' delivery is extremely straightforward and samey. It sounds like any other easy listening pop music made by some slightly alt pop girl that a streamer would play on their twitch channel, I can't explain it any other way Like again, their music is good: it's just not very K-poppy. Give me bombast, constantly changing concepts, colourful MVs, deliberate and thoughful vocal/rap delivery, and above all else talented and driven idols that love music and performing. Some of that essence has definitely been lost. But there are still plenty of good releases and promising idols in 4th generation. It's not as disastrous as this article paints it. 2 1
Odette Violet Posted November 10, 2023 Posted November 10, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Harrier said: I also think that it reads like a bitter second gen stan that can't accept change or is forgetting the many, many horrendous overly autoned, cringy english, dance era reject songs that were in 2nd gen. Like they pick 10/10 classics like Catallena but ignore the likes of, idk, Shinee's Amigo That's basically what makes Kpop Kpop. Don't pretend some of y'all ain't bopping to 2NE1's Fire or SNSD Run Devil Run/The Boys Edited November 10, 2023 by Odette Violet 1
Odette Violet Posted November 10, 2023 Posted November 10, 2023 I havd to agree with that one user who said Kpop is about camp and being over the top, that's what made it great in the first place. If I have to listen to elevator music / ASMR then there's the current mainstream pop. Sad that this labels has to waterdown the genre to appeal to a market that will never accept and respect Asian acts
Eternium Posted November 10, 2023 Posted November 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, Odette Violet said: I havd to agree with that one user who said Kpop is about camp and being over the top, that's what made it great in the first place. If I have to listen to elevator music / ASMR then there's the current mainstream pop. Sad that this labels has to waterdown the genre to appeal to a market that will never accept and respect Asian acts THANK YOU. The K-pop market was built off the backs of Britney Spears and her mentors (Madonna, Mariah, Janet). Nobody came here for the Hot Adult Contemporary bullcrap that plagues the Western world. If we wanted **** music with no real performance aspect, we’d start listening to the British again 6
Odette Violet Posted November 10, 2023 Posted November 10, 2023 (edited) Apart from Aespa for this gen. Props on IVE and GIDLE for keeping that tradition and kpop spirit alive Edited November 10, 2023 by Odette Violet
Rhyme Posted November 10, 2023 Posted November 10, 2023 14 minutes ago, Odette Violet said: That's basically what makes Kpop Kpop. Don't pretend some of y'all ain't bopping to 2NE1's Fire or SNSD Run Devil Run/The Boys Yeah, the appeal of K-pop back then was these bright songs that were taking influences from the west and taking it to the max. The layers of autotune, the "dated" synths...was like ear candy. Thank you especially to Brave Brothers for all you did back then. 1
Pluto6 Posted November 10, 2023 Posted November 10, 2023 (edited) aespa and SKZ in 1 hour I wonder if we will be seeing TikTok challenges, since they will be promoting on Music Shows at the same time I need Visuelle and Lee Knowles in 1 frame Edited November 10, 2023 by Pluto2022 1
Rainy Devil Posted November 10, 2023 Posted November 10, 2023 22 minutes ago, Harrier said: Give me bombast, constantly changing concepts, colourful MVs, deliberate and thoughful vocal/rap delivery, and above all else talented and driven idols that love music and performing. Some of that essence has definitely been lost. But there are still plenty of good releases and promising idols in 4th generation. It's not as disastrous as this article paints it. This is my biggest issue with the new gens. You could tell that, they even with all the hardships, most 2nd gen idols and 3rd gen idols loved music and wanted to be perform. Since being an idol became a profitable hobby for rich kids, the drive we saw before is no longer present in most groups nowadays. Even the nepo kids in the 2nd gen tried to be skilled since being an idol was seen as a job for "poor" people and not fancy as it is nowadays. 1
Eternium Posted November 10, 2023 Posted November 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Save-Me-Oprah said: Other than Yawn, Hyo and Yoona who else is still at SM, anyway? you know things are getting bad when they couldn't even keep Susan on the books of the family business Baby, Sunny was the first one to hate sadiSM. She didn’t even tell them who she was when she auditioned. She had to be coerced to come back to SM by a friend after leaving for another company. 22 minutes ago, Harrier said: This is very scathing and I think it's absolutely true of Hybe's English releases and especially of BTS. I don't think it applies in the same way to Hybe's girl groups though - Lesserafim and NewJeans both have never reached the utter mediocrity of Permission to Dance or Butter. I agree with this whole post Except you’re going a little too easy on the atrocious “Perfect Night.” I’m really hoping we see HYBE develop more of an identity and hire an actual vocal producer, but it seems unlikely at this point. They want to make easy streaming music and they’ve got Scooter Braun and Discovery Mode on their side so don’t expect any ad-libs or experimenting any time soon :/
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