Sailor Moon Posted October 18, 2023 Posted October 18, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, katyberry said: Let’s google… a #22 peaking song, well it did flop a bit, that's why i wrote semi. at least it's not a total flop like Cheshire Edited October 18, 2023 by Sailor Moon
Sheep Posted October 18, 2023 Posted October 18, 2023 1 minute ago, bunnyeyes said: The fact they came out with a song for bottoms AND a song for their top fans: A truly versatile girl group. 1
Sailor Moon Posted October 18, 2023 Posted October 18, 2023 exo is kinda the bg with the best discography, no only their singles are flawless but their albums are solid too call me baby growl tempo the eve miracles in december overdose monster love me right 5
Sheep Posted October 18, 2023 Posted October 18, 2023 24 minutes ago, bunnyeyes said: Is-is it satire? Another day another group of CL wannabes
illia Posted October 18, 2023 Posted October 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, Sheep said: Another day another group of CL wannabes They actually said that 2NE1 are their role models so the similarities make sense 1
Sheep Posted October 18, 2023 Posted October 18, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, Flomik said: They actually said that 2NE1 are their role models so the similarities make sense Let me token stan, the taste that has Edited October 18, 2023 by Sheep
Katamari Posted October 18, 2023 Posted October 18, 2023 33 minutes ago, Sailor Moon said: exo is kinda the bg with the best discography, no only their singles are flawless but their albums are solid too call me baby growl tempo the eve miracles in december overdose monster love me right the last bg i really stanned tbh 2
Zack Posted October 18, 2023 Posted October 18, 2023 9 minutes ago, Sheep said: I never said that the past year hasn't been rough as a reveluv, but things are looking up. PD center 3 has the literal average number of releases for an SM Production center in 2023, and in 2024 the focus will obviously be on RV instead of TVXQ. That is a huge assumption and from your response it appears you agree PC3 has spent more time prioritizing less profitable (now) TVXQ releases over RV. Again, proves my point. It's useless driving this point that the production centers are more efficient if it's bypassing RV, which it is at this moment, with no guarantee that it will change. There is no "obvious" indication that they will prioritize RV next year, unless you can share the source of this information with us. 9 minutes ago, Sheep said: This was a bad year for basically every group at SM. Also Red Velvet will renew, SM needs them because they're the most consistent hitmakers out of all their groups and their sales are only climbing, SM will do basically anything to keep that going. It's another doomer luvie narrative I'm getting tired of. Again another huge assumption to assume they will all renew, unless you have concrete information you can share with all of us. I never said they won't all renew, but it's delusional to take a line that the girls have no concerns or aren't thinking of leaving. This year was an important year to them, which if anything, has probably given members more reasons to want to think about leaving, and I wouldn't blame them for it. As you say, RV are consistent with growing sales. Yet SM has not invested in them in a way that reflects this. 9 minutes ago, Sheep said: This is not true. The comeback planning meetings started Aug 1st at the LATEST. The tour ended on June 6. It was an 8 week gap, 5 if you account for Joy's condition as the start of group activities being feasible again. I was not defending SM's terrible decision, I was explaining how we got in this scenario that in your mind has clearly been constructed as some heinous plot against Red Velvet but in reality was down to bad timing and a single bad contract. I think you are perhaps taking your new username a little too literally. You were defending the indefensible here and trying to explain away serious problems that are indisputably the fault of SM. 9 minutes ago, Sheep said: I have no idea why Yeri hasn't been allowed to debut yet but rumors are finally coming up about it so it must be on somebody's radar now. Red Velvet came back in November 2022, promoted into december, participated in the SMCU winter album + concert, then Seulgi and Wendy started preparations for GOT. Concert tours take weeks of constant rehearsals so the only truly dead months for Red Velvet were February + part of March, when the company was going through an unprecedented crisis(that included YYJ and LSM both leaving at the same time, taking all of their music contributions with them). Birthday was incredibly botched and that's a whole other story to go into. Reveluvs were rightly extremely unhappy which is why the fanbase (plus MYs) largely boycotted the GOT release as a result, which related in GOT flopping when on paper it could have had much bigger sales. RV fanbases and cafes openly cited the poor handling of Birthday as a reason. Plus Irenebar, the RV fanbase with the biggest influence, was also upset by everything. This year PC3 has spent more time churning out TVXQ releases and have forced RV to clash with other groups. Again, no excuse for doing this. They've had nearly an entire year to plan. 9 minutes ago, Sheep said: A lot of reveluv, including + especially yourself, are acting like Red Velvet are getting the f(x) treatment, which just isn't true, there was multiple instances of bad timing this year but there has been a huge commitment to their music going forward and a 3rd full album from a group that has been spamming minis for 5 years is a big show of good faith towards us and to the members. Red Velvet are obviously not getting the f(x) treatment. The issue is they are being held back from being bigger. You've openly admitted that the tour was planned horribly, that they have not benefited from SM 3.0 so far, and that SM has been making questionable decisions for them all year and their soloists have been ignored, see Wendy getting scrapped. Yet they are one of SM's best performing acts on Spotify, have shown large sales increases and have a big fanbase and GP support. That's not doomsaying that's just disappointment at SM constantly doing this to the group. If you can't admit this, I'd question how much you really claim to stan them. They don't deserve that level of mismanagement. 9 minutes ago, Sheep said: Red Velvet, like every other group at SM entertainment except for SNSD or aespa, will end the year having released a single full album. It's really not as bad as you're making it out to be. aespa is better off because they'll have had 2 full scale mini promotions plus an actual world tour by the end of this year, plus global promotions and they deserve that. But RV deserves better treatment also. All your lists have proven is the inequity and imbalance in the way SM gives resources and that's why RV fans are so upset. It's not a difficult concept to grasp. 9 minutes ago, Sheep said: If we collectively spent half as much energy supporting Red Velvet as we do playing the victim in all scenarios since debut, the group would have sold more records than the Beatles ffs. I own every album and attended their concerts and follow everything they do. So you can leave me out of that. Perhaps if you spent less time glossing over SM's issues online and actually looked into the facts (rather than making assumptions and labelling genuine fan concern as doomsaying) you'd see the very clear point that I and many others have been making, instead of blaming the fans for SM's failures, which is very disappointing conclusion for you to make.
bunnyeyes Posted October 18, 2023 Posted October 18, 2023 26 minutes ago, Sheep said: Another day another group of CL wannabes They’re very talented, hope they’ll get a better comeback track
hallucinate Posted October 18, 2023 Posted October 18, 2023 4 hours ago, youresotoxic said: 4 hours ago, youresotoxic said: the cameos 1
OrgVisual Posted October 18, 2023 Posted October 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Odd said: this group has to be the weirdest thing to come out of idol music, im kinda obsessed from j-pop to hip-hop to disney princess music to screamo....? Between this and Young Posse to Sunmi, is October a battle of who has the shittiest song?
naomi24 Posted October 18, 2023 Posted October 18, 2023 8 hours ago, naomi24 said: Stanning EXO IS SO FUNNYYY you wake up and you dont know who is going to file a lawsuit today OH THEY WILL BE ALWAYS BE ONE And i love the teaser... excited for this 2
naomi24 Posted October 18, 2023 Posted October 18, 2023 5 minutes ago, hallucinate said: the cameos not us posting at the same time toooooo.... we are one for realll 1
naomi24 Posted October 18, 2023 Posted October 18, 2023 4 hours ago, Sailor Moon said: 2023 was a cute year for kpop, although 2022 was WAY better - Jungkook solo debut, managed to get an actual smash hit. - V solo debut - NewJeans, IVE and (G)-IDLE continue to dominate. - aespa best selling girl group album this year, and snatches a hit. - oh my girl flops - fifty fifty gets the biggest kpop girl group smash - twice fails to get a hit - kep1er nowhere to be seen - blackpink performs at coachella - zerobaseone debuts - itzy gets a semi-hit - somi wins and gets an actual hit - stayc manages to get a cute hit, still can't dominate (no shade). - sm debuts riize - yg forgets about babymonster - exo actually gets a comeback YUSSSSS 3
JonginBey Posted October 18, 2023 Posted October 18, 2023 16 minutes ago, naomi24 said: OH THEY WILL BE ALWAYS BE ONE And i love the teaser... excited for this My heart 1
Witnessed ET Posted October 18, 2023 Posted October 18, 2023 26 minutes ago, Sept said: Between this and Young Posse to Sunmi, is October a battle of who has the shittiest song? After letting it cook for a day, Sunmi’s song isn’t even that bad. The different sounds just don’t work together.
Park Jinyoung Posted October 18, 2023 Posted October 18, 2023 1 hour ago, bunnyeyes said: Is-is it satire? I just came to post this
Witnessed ET Posted October 18, 2023 Posted October 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Katamari said: the title is pushing fake news stranger avant garde bop Exactly, and i said ma’am it’s weird and left field for Sunmi’s flawless standards of course but it ain’t that bad
Sheep Posted October 18, 2023 Posted October 18, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Zack said: That is a huge assumption and from your response it appears you agree PC3 has spent more time prioritizing less profitable (now) TVXQ releases over RV. Again, proves my point. It's useless driving this point that the production centers are more efficient if it's bypassing RV, which it is at this moment, with no guarantee that it will change. There is no "obvious" indication that they will prioritize RV next year, unless you can share the source of this information with us. The obvious indication is that TVXQ takes enormous hiatuses in between releases. Yunho had a mini in August, Changmin had an album in 2022, TVXQ has an album in December. This pattern has been repeating since 2014. Unless SM somehow has an unannounced group going to PD Center 3 that's going to be surprise debuted, Red Velvet will have an entire team to themselves like NCT in the new year. Unless the company has this newly established team on payroll to do nothing all day this is an extremely safe assumption. 1 hour ago, Zack said: Again another huge assumption to assume they will all renew, unless you have concrete information you can share with all of us. I never said they won't all renew, but it's delusional to take a line that the girls have no concerns or aren't thinking of leaving. This year was an important year to them, which if anything, has probably given members more reasons to want to think about leaving, and I wouldn't blame them for it. The bigger assumption is that they wouldn't renew, they've already renewed before despite your countless attempts to establish a false narrative about 10 year contracts. Every member except for Irene has been more active since their 7 years were up. A lack of official renewal statements does NOT prove that SM is breaking any laws, however the fact that Red Velvet all stayed after 7 years, was a strong indicator that a renewal took place. It is ALWAYS the case that somebody presenting claims of wrongdoing is the one who needs to prove it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(law) It's simply more reasonable to assume that the group who has already renewed before and are on an all-time career high and are getting new levels of investment from their company will renew than to assume they're leaving. 1 hour ago, Zack said: As you say, RV are consistent with growing sales. Yet SM has not invested in them in a way that reflects this. Pairing them with a group that's dead for 11+ months a year while every other group has to share their PD center with somebody else was a huge investment. These are real employees earning a salary and occupying space in SM's offices. 1 hour ago, Zack said: I think you are perhaps taking your new username a little too literally. You were defending the indefensible here and trying to explain away serious problems that are indisputably the fault of SM. This is a nothing-response. You mentioned zero facts or events here. Just hot air, no substance. 1 hour ago, Zack said: Red Velvet are obviously not getting the f(x) treatment. The issue is they are being held back from being bigger. You've openly admitted that the tour was planned horribly, that they have not benefited from SM 3.0 so far, and that SM has been making questionable decisions for them all year and their soloists have been ignored, see Wendy getting scrapped. Yet they are one of SM's best performing acts on Spotify, have shown large sales increases and have a big fanbase and GP support. That's not doomsaying that's just disappointment at SM constantly doing this to the group. If you can't admit this, I'd question how much you really claim to stan them. They don't deserve that level of mismanagement. Again this is the group that's finally being allowed to tour and release full albums again. Things are improving. Are you blind? Did the past year just not happen in your eyes? The only market Red Velvet was ever truly held back in was the US but even then the last time a label showed interest was over 4 years ago. 1 hour ago, Zack said: Birthday was incredibly botched and that's a whole other story to go into. Reveluvs were rightly extremely unhappy which is why the fanbase (plus MYs) largely boycotted the GOT release as a result, which related in GOT flopping when on paper it could have had much bigger sales. RV fanbases and cafes openly cited the poor handling of Birthday as a reason. Plus Irenebar, the RV fanbase with the biggest influence, was also upset by everything. Every single fandom involved did not want GOT, aespa had gone 7 months without ANY major activities vs Red Velvet's 2 months. BoA and Taeyeon who have unique positions in the company because of their seniority and legend status both publicly commented about how they weren't pleased with GOT so their fandoms were against it too. The part about GOT is once again verifiably false, if you think Red Velvet was ever the driving force of GOT, you were also wrong, it was SEVERAL huge fandoms(and boa fans) coming together and not a one sided collab. 1 hour ago, Zack said: This year PC3 has spent more time churning out TVXQ releases and have forced RV to clash with other groups. Again, no excuse for doing this. They've had nearly an entire year to plan. They are all under separate teams now. Nobody was forced to clash or set up, it was unfortunate timing for all parties. There is no evidence of a setup. Furthermore, we first heard about this comeback in August. They've had 2 1/2 months to plan. 1 hour ago, Zack said: aespa is better off because they'll have had 2 full scale mini promotions plus an actual world tour by the end of this year, plus global promotions and they deserve that. But RV deserves better treatment also. aespa is also outselling Red Velvet 2:1(plus hugely outstreaming and are generally more in demand than any SM group since peak SNSD or EXO). If 2 minis is a great, well supported year for a group outselling Red Velvet 2:1 than RV had it very nice last year with their 2 minis + solo activities. 1 hour ago, Zack said: I own every album and attended their concerts and follow everything they do. So you can leave me out of that. Perhaps if you spent less time glossing over SM's issues online and actually looked into the facts (rather than making assumptions and labelling genuine fan concern as doomsaying) you'd see the very clear point that I and many others have been making, instead of blaming the fans for SM's failures, which is very disappointing conclusion for you to make. You've insinuated that SM is intentionally hurting Red Velvet's popularity and implied that the tour handled by an external company was actually a plot by SM on top of turning a blind eye to every positive thing that happened recently. That's doomsaying. There is nothing genuine about your "fandom" of Red Velvet or these posts. I will continue to support and be happy for my favs Red Velvet for what they are instead of using the imaginary malicious intent of the company that eats the majority of their profits anyway as a scapegoat for everything I want them to be but aren't. You constantly in ALL of your novel-length arguments with me fail to cough up any evidence for any of your claims. It's always you boldly asserting your own theories as fact and then using the lack of evidence against those theories as proof, then when presented with FACTS that conflict with your theory, you start reeling and the posts become longer and longer and less based in reality and more in shady little insults. There is actual hard evidence that Red Velvet is finally being afforded opportunities that they haven't in years(Irene being allowed to take work again, the group touring, full albums, etc.). Conversely, there is zero evidence that Red Velvet was forced to not come back until November, there is no evidence that the botched tour was an act of sabotage and the woman you regularly vilify and paint as the company favorite had an even worse tour situation. You will begin to make a point about something real like Birthday being mishandled or Yeri not being allowed to take on more solo activities but then use those unrelated, real issues as evidence of a grand conspiracy instead of taking them at face value. Then after all this you have the audacity to demand even MORE facts from me when I'm the one posting specific dates and events and using FACTS. How much of your essays has been conjecture based on what you want to be true(or even outright, knowing lies) vs things that really happened? Edited October 18, 2023 by Sheep
TheCal Posted October 18, 2023 Posted October 18, 2023 now that it has been a day since Sunmi released her song, I have to say I see the vision the chorus is camp and I started to love the whole song queen 3
Zack Posted October 18, 2023 Posted October 18, 2023 7 minutes ago, Sheep said: You've insinuated that SM is intentionally hurting Red Velvet's popularity and implied that the tour handled by an external company was actually a plot by SM on top of turning a blind eye to every positive thing that happened recently. That's doomsaying. There is nothing genuine about your "fandom" of Red Velvet or these posts. I will continue to support and be happy for my favs Red Velvet for what they are instead of using the imaginary malicious intent of the company that eats the majority of their profits anyway as a scapegoat for everything I want them to be but aren't. You constantly in ALL of your novel-length arguments with me fail to cough up any evidence for any of your claims. It's always you boldly asserting your own theories as fact and then use the lack of evidence against those theories as proof, then when presented with FACTS that conflict with your theory, you start reeling the posts become longer and longer and less based in reality and more in shady little insults. There is actual hard evidence that Red Velvet is finally being afforded opportunities that they haven't in years(Irene being allowed to take work again, the group touring, full albums, etc.). Conversely, there is zero evidence that Red Velvet was forced to not come back until November, there is no evidence that the botched tour was an act of sabotage and the woman you regularly vilify and paint as the company favorite had an even worse tour situation. You will begin to make a point about something real like Birthday being mishandled or Yeri not being allowed to take on more solo activities but then use those unrelated, real issues as evidence of a grand conspiracy instead of taking them at face value. Then after all this you have the audacity to demand even MORE facts from me when I'm the one posting specific dates and events and using FACTS. How much of your essays has been conjecture based on what you want to be true(or even outright, knowing lies) vs things that really happened? Honestly this is just such a bizarre response on so many levels, I'm not sure whether to laugh or be seriously concerned. And to top it off, to then boldly claim I'm not a "genuine" ReVeluv tells me all I need to know about your true intentions behind these barrages of text you have been hurling out on this topic. Funny how no one else can come to that ridiculous conclusion except you. My fandom of Red Velvet will never be questionable. It is an indisputable fact.
Sheep Posted October 18, 2023 Posted October 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, Zack said: Honestly this is just such a bizarre response on so many levels, I'm not sure whether to laugh or be seriously concerned. And to top it off, to then boldly claim I'm not a "genuine" ReVeluv tells me all I need to know about your true intentions behind these barrages of text you have been hurling out on this topic. Funny how no one else can come to that ridiculous conclusion except you. My fandom of Red Velvet will never be questionable. It is an indisputable fact. Well you have a rocky history with being able to identify what constitutes a fact so at least there's some consistency here.
Zack Posted October 18, 2023 Posted October 18, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Sheep said: Well you have a rocky history with being able to identify what constitutes a fact so at least there's some consistency here. In our previous exchanges you have conceded that you were unaware there was no official announcement about Red Velvet's renewals in 2021, until I had to correct you, so I think not, regarding facts. Don't play with me when it comes to Red Velvet, I will always go hard for them. Your SM 3.0 propaganda exercise at the expense of RV has failed. Edited October 18, 2023 by Zack
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