robbyds Posted February 3, 2023 Posted February 3, 2023 (edited) Her tour itinerary does seem "odd" with a bunch of secondary markets - some of which she already went to on last tour and bombed hard, so I don't know what Livenation was thinking. Having said that, there might be a 2nd leg where she hits the remaining major cities in the US and Canada especially since the tour is selling out almost everywhere. We will see... Edited February 3, 2023 by robbyds
FreeXone Posted February 4, 2023 Posted February 4, 2023 On 2/2/2023 at 12:52 PM, Sscorpionn said: That the main problem. She takes one step forward every few years and then wastes every potential opportunities. Watch her give us a random standalone single for the tour Sigh so true
robbyds Posted February 4, 2023 Posted February 4, 2023 1 hour ago, FreeXone said: Sigh so true Agree. The Documentary being her most recent opportunity WASTED. I mean...21M watched it in the US alone...imagine if she dropped the album and announced the tour dates immediately after via a commercial? Poor planning and very weak team.
kishi Posted February 4, 2023 Posted February 4, 2023 6 hours ago, robbyds said: Her tour itinerary does seem "odd" with a bunch of secondary markets - some of which she already went to on last tour and bombed hard, so I don't know what Livenation was thinking. Having said that, there might be a 2nd leg where she hits the remaining major cities in the US and Canada especially since the tour is selling out almost everywhere. We will see... It only bombed in some markets because of delays from the pregnancy during Unbreakable, she's always done well with second and third legs aside from TVR, where she did one huge leg and RWU was just one short leg. The original three North American legs were selling fine as well as some of the Europe shows. 18 hours ago, Sscorpionn said: There’s a lot of tours happening this year so it could be due to a lot of the arenas within major cities being already booked for certain dates. Also these random places are probably a lot cheaper to book as well. I see acts skipping many large markets, doing second legs or not touring at all. There's also a shortage on some equipment for touring. 19 hours ago, Aerosol said: She's not indecisive. That would indicate some sort of care for the outcome. She simply doesn't give a **** because her career is not what fulfills her. The sooner we accept that the better. She does this stuff to pay some bills here and there. She has moved past the point in her life where her professional projects are milestones and her albums are diaries. I agree. 22 hours ago, madonnas said: There’s been a bigger push the last 3+ years to revitalize her legacy by people who thought she was done dirty (she was) and she pretty much did nothing with it. Sigh. At least I’ll see her perform. What else could and should she do? On 1/31/2023 at 6:07 AM, Sscorpionn said: If she don’t add a London date already That UK and Europe bag is being fumbled. :(
Sscorpionn Posted February 4, 2023 Posted February 4, 2023 2 hours ago, kishi said: That UK and Europe bag is being fumbled. :( What’s new? She hasn’t given a **** about her international fans in over 20 years so I doubt she will now. The fact I’ll probably never ever get to see her live
robbyds Posted February 4, 2023 Posted February 4, 2023 6 hours ago, kishi said: It only bombed in some markets because of delays from the pregnancy during Unbreakable, she's always done well with second and third legs aside from TVR, where she did one huge leg and RWU was just one short leg. The original three North American legs were selling fine as well as some of the Europe shows. Well that could be a reason. Seems like she is doing much better this time around in those secondary markets but still not selling as fast as we'd hoped for. But she'll get there eventually About the European Unbreakable shows, I remember a few of them selling decently but a lot were bombing hard...like 20% sold! I feel this might be one of the reasons why they are overly cautious about the European market since then.
FreeXone Posted February 4, 2023 Posted February 4, 2023 5 hours ago, robbyds said: Well that could be a reason. Seems like she is doing much better this time around in those secondary markets but still not selling as fast as we'd hoped for. But she'll get there eventually About the European Unbreakable shows, I remember a few of them selling decently but a lot were bombing hard...like 20% sold! I feel this might be one of the reasons why they are overly cautious about the European market since then. Well who fault is that?! She doesn’t promote **** over there. I mean I guess she was trying with glatsonbury and ema award show
its_britney_bitch Posted February 4, 2023 Posted February 4, 2023 I mean what was she thinking booking arenas in ******* Estonia and Lithuania There’s no reason she can’t do even a one-off show at The O2, or a smaller tour of major cities. Honestly it’s a shame because her total neglect of anywhere outside America has really turned me off of her. I still love her but I just don’t check for her like I used to
yassskween Posted February 4, 2023 Posted February 4, 2023 Live Nation booked her some prime EU TV lots for Ubrekabale Tour and she just sent her dancers instead, she's an idiot
kishi Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 14 hours ago, Sscorpionn said: What’s new? She hasn’t given a **** about her international fans in over 20 years so I doubt she will now. The fact I’ll probably never ever get to see her live I know so many fans over in the UK and Europe (including my family) who haven't seen her in so long or never got a chance to catch a show. It's a shame and upsetting. I haven't given up hope on a European tour or residency, I know it can happen! It really does come down to Janet.
robbyds Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 5 hours ago, FreeXone said: Well who fault is that?! She doesn’t promote **** over there. I mean I guess she was trying with glatsonbury and ema award show True. Her last tour of Europe was a cute run of the #1s tour in 2011 more than a decade ago!
Frozen99 Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 she promised to make it up to her european fans when she canceled last time and nothing shameless.
Sscorpionn Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 12 hours ago, kishi said: I know so many fans over in the UK and Europe (including my family) who haven't seen her in so long or never got a chance to catch a show. It's a shame and upsetting. I haven't given up hope on a European tour or residency, I know it can happen! It really does come down to Janet. Maybe they’re afraid it would flop hard but I really think she could at least sell out small arenas in most major European cities. I saw this tweet the other day breaking down her monthly listers by region and 40% of them were from Europe and Oceania so she clearly still has many fans here. She just needs a good promotion to make the casual fans aware that she’s touring.
monologueNacafe Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 15 hours ago, yassskween said: Live Nation booked her some prime EU TV lots for Ubrekabale Tour and she just sent her dancers instead, she's an idiot 💀
Cbreezy Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 (edited) I have a very conjecture-based theory about Janet and the UK (can't speak for Europe). There's the obvious faux pas with general neglect. From the axed All For You Tour leg to the not concentrating on international markets post the SB. Mistakes have been made. HOWEVER, I feel there's a sense of trepidation following the tepid response to Glastonbury. It wasn't her best show, but I really get the sense that even if she did knock it out of the park based on her high standards, that they would have still complained. The UK, which I'm sure she sees firsthand as she lives there, has a very ruthless tabloid culture. The media there are really savage when it comes to things like lip-syncing etc. And we all know what Janet's show gives - lots of live singing not being one of those things. I don't really have the exact words, but it's essentially a case of: while Janet's FANS there know and love what she gives, I actually get the sense that her "style of show" isn't received as well in the UK in a broader sense. At least beyond the immediacy of her fan base. Everything from their Brit Awards to their market at large seems to favour gritty, band-y acts or a very linear take on Rap (Grime), or outright Dance. I dunno if the slick, Americanized show that pritoritizes dancing and production over singing easily fits in that market compared to, say, the US where there's a clear lane for it. I definitely leave room for what I'm saying to be a reach because, with her neglecting Europe for so long, my theory is essentially untested in many ways. But I guess my take comes from knowledge of the market and some of the more nuanced responses seen to her "here and there" performances on that side of the pond (like Glastonbury), which I imagine don't fill her or the promoter with overwhelming amounts of excitement about the region. TBH, none of that even matters too much as she's not in the "make me a MPG" season of her career. She's a bonafide legend, so she should be touring aggressively and cash in on that by playing to her fanbase any and everywhere. Edited February 5, 2023 by Cbreezy
Oktober Knight Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 We're getting another State of the World Tour budget production, aren't we? I'm hoping that since her shows will finally be filled that they will add more extravaganza to the stage. I mean, she used white sheets for a projection screen last time ffs.
FreeXone Posted February 6, 2023 Posted February 6, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, Oktober Knight said: We're getting another State of the World Tour budget production, aren't we? I'm hoping that since her shows will finally be filled that they will add more extravaganza to the stage. I mean, she used white sheets for a projection screen last time ffs. I’m honestly not even buying tickets I can just sense the laziness already lmao Gil and that other new boy she work with are lame I will decide after opening night if I will buy one lol Edited February 6, 2023 by FreeXone
Oktober Knight Posted February 6, 2023 Posted February 6, 2023 6 minutes ago, FreeXone said: I’m honestly not even buying tickets I can just sense the laziness already lmao Gil and that other new boy she work with are lame I will decide after opening night if I will buy one lol Gil needs to retire or be fired. I need All For You Tour excellence.
robbyds Posted February 6, 2023 Posted February 6, 2023 I have a feeling this tour will have better production that SOTW tour. Probably at least, Metamorphosis level production if not better. Where are those international dates Janet?!!!! Hurry up!
kishi Posted February 6, 2023 Posted February 6, 2023 (edited) On 2/4/2023 at 9:01 PM, robbyds said: True. Her last tour of Europe was a cute run of the #1s tour in 2011 more than a decade ago! It's not cool at all. The fans in Europe deserve a show and so many of her biggest markets are in Europe. On 2/5/2023 at 5:33 AM, Frozen99 said: she promised to make it up to her european fans when she canceled last time and nothing shameless. It's terrible. But I still think the fans should demand a show if that's what they want. On 2/5/2023 at 8:48 AM, Sscorpionn said: Maybe they’re afraid it would flop hard but I really think she could at least sell out small arenas in most major European cities. I saw this tweet the other day breaking down her monthly listers by region and 40% of them were from Europe and Oceania so she clearly still has many fans here. She just needs a good promotion to make the casual fans aware that she’s touring. Exactly. The numbers don't lie...London is her biggest market on Spotify. She gets a lot of streams from France, Germany and The Netherlands. There's so many summer festivals and award shows and medium sized venues that she can perform at, a full 30 show leg isn't necessary. Doing 12-18 shows every summer or every other year would be more reasonable. On 2/5/2023 at 11:01 AM, Cbreezy said: I have a very conjecture-based theory about Janet and the UK (can't speak for Europe). There's the obvious faux pas with general neglect. From the axed All For You Tour leg to the not concentrating on international markets post the SB. Mistakes have been made. HOWEVER, I feel there's a sense of trepidation following the tepid response to Glastonbury. It wasn't her best show, but I really get the sense that even if she did knock it out of the park based on her high standards, that they would have still complained. The UK, which I'm sure she sees firsthand as she lives there, has a very ruthless tabloid culture. The media there are really savage when it comes to things like lip-syncing etc. And we all know what Janet's show gives - lots of live singing not being one of those things. I don't really have the exact words, but it's essentially a case of: while Janet's FANS there know and love what she gives, I actually get the sense that her "style of show" isn't received as well in the UK in a broader sense. At least beyond the immediacy of her fan base. Everything from their Brit Awards to their market at large seems to favour gritty, band-y acts or a very linear take on Rap (Grime), or outright Dance. I dunno if the slick, Americanized show that pritoritizes dancing and production over singing easily fits in that market compared to, say, the US where there's a clear lane for it. I definitely leave room for what I'm saying to be a reach because, with her neglecting Europe for so long, my theory is essentially untested in many ways. But I guess my take comes from knowledge of the market and some of the more nuanced responses seen to her "here and there" performances on that side of the pond (like Glastonbury), which I imagine don't fill her or the promoter with overwhelming amounts of excitement about the region. TBH, none of that even matters too much as she's not in the "make me a MPG" season of her career. She's a bonafide legend, so she should be touring aggressively and cash in on that by playing to her fanbase any and everywhere. I like this perspective, nuanced, but as someone who has spent a lot of time in the UK, there's some truth to what the general media are like. But she's still well respected and had a ton of support in her peak there. She has never had any issues with ticket sales in the UK either. She has simply failed to book enough shows consistently since AFY in spite of it being one of her most successful markets. Not one full show from 2001 to 2008, just promo and that Capitol FM London show in 2009. Even with the traumatic 2004, UK would have showed up to an arena show and festivals. On 2/5/2023 at 12:07 PM, Oktober Knight said: We're getting another State of the World Tour budget production, aren't we? I'm hoping that since her shows will finally be filled that they will add more extravaganza to the stage. I mean, she used white sheets for a projection screen last time ffs. I rebuke it, Metamorphosis and even the staging for the RN30 shows were better. I do wish we could get a runway or in the round show. 16 hours ago, FreeXone said: I’m honestly not even buying tickets I can just sense the laziness already lmao Gil and that other new boy she work with are lame I will decide after opening night if I will buy one lol You should get a ticket! 16 hours ago, Oktober Knight said: Gil needs to retire or be fired. I need All For You Tour excellence. The current team either has to go or they add someone who can come along and elevate what's already there. They're too comfortable IMO. 5 hours ago, robbyds said: I have a feeling this tour will have better production that SOTW tour. Probably at least, Metamorphosis level production if not better. Where are those international dates Janet?!!!! Hurry up! Me too. Those international dates would help sell the new music. And it's just long overdue. I won't stop discussing the need for Janet to book Europe and Latin America. Follow the $$ girl! Edited February 6, 2023 by kishi
Frozen99 Posted February 6, 2023 Posted February 6, 2023 8 minutes ago, kishi said: It's terrible. But I still think the fans should demand a show if that's what they want. i'm sure her fans still want a janet show but she don't wanna come!
A1SinceDay1 Posted February 6, 2023 Posted February 6, 2023 (edited) There's no way this is getting Meta production. That was all the casino's investment. I do think it will be more than SOTW though. Hopefully levels to the stage and some fun lighting gear. Edited February 6, 2023 by A1SinceDay1
Sscorpionn Posted February 6, 2023 Posted February 6, 2023 1 hour ago, kishi said: Exactly. The numbers don't lie...London is her biggest market on Spotify. She gets a lot of streams from France, Germany and The Netherlands. There's so many summer festivals and award shows and medium sized venues that she can perform at, a full 30 show leg isn't necessary. Doing 12-18 shows every summer or every other year would be more reasonable. the major British radios actually love playing her music. I work in a shop so the radio is on daily and I hear All For You, Together Again and weirdly Made For Now ( ) every single day. Glastonbury is tailored towards snobby rock/indie fans who hate on all Pop artists so the lukewarm reaction to her performance isn’t a good representation of the European market. I’ve only ever seen Beyonce and Adele get their approval.
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