charts discussion TOTC: Anti-Hero to stay at #1

[PoisonedIvy]

5 minutes ago, family.guy123 said:

People who buy multiple cinema tickets usually go and watch the movie. There’s zero reasons someone would need more than one digital copy of a song other than to influence the chart. Also, the box office is a revenue “chart”. The Hot 100 is a popularity/consumption chart so their purposes are different. I would actually be in favour of Billboard adding revenue charts for both singles and albums so that fans can see exactly how much they’re donating to record labels. 

Y’all say only fans buy these remixes. You think the fans of Taylor buy her music but don’t listen to it?  Of course anyone who buys it is also listening to it. Whether that’s 1 time or 100 times, that’s the nature of digital sales, and has been since their inception. That’s why, yes, streams have been better for checking long term listening patterns from consumers, but that doesn’t mean sales don’t mean anything during the point of purchase.

 

I’d also be here for a revenue chart. Germany uses one. But a lot of these streaming heavy artists, like Drake and Bad Bunny, would chart lower on there than people like Taylor, Adele, and Harry. And that’s not exactly what we’re looking to do here. It’s nice having a balance of sales artists and stream artists at the top of their games rn. Taylor just happens to excel in both.

[discotitzz]

8 hours ago, Trainwreck said:

EWWWWW! don't quote me weirdo, you give off creep vibes 

Ikr, that user is the most irritating, creepy type 

 

OT: Beating the hitless allegations 

[idkwiam]

15 hours ago, Starchild said:

There's been like 4 threads with 10+ pages calling her desperate, pathetic, chart obsessed etc. How much more do y'all want her to get dragged 

That user is always fuming for some reason.

 

OT: Go Taylor get the #1.

[terrorblade]

EAUX NAUR

blocking DRAKE?

Edited November 12, 2022 by terrorblade

[umich]

10 hours ago, MusicLoverDude said:

History is essentially repeating itself though. Hotline Bling was blocked by Adele because he didn't release an official video

He had released it but he kept it Apple exclusive for a while  this was back when they were not doing the streaming numbers that they’re doing now. 
 

But at the end of the day, he was going to be blocked regardless because Hello was a monster smash during the weeks he was getting blocked due to her digital sales. His best chances was to try to battle with The Weeknd’s “The Hills” (which also blocked it).

[Green]

41 minutes ago, umich said:

He had released it but he kept it Apple exclusive for a while  this was back when they were not doing the streaming numbers that they’re doing now. 
 

But at the end of the day, he was going to be blocked regardless because Hello was a monster smash during the weeks he was getting blocked due to her digital sales. His best chances was to try to battle with The Weeknd’s “The Hills” (which also blocked it).

 

Yeah I remember Hotling Bling best chance was against The Hills and it was close but Drake kept his video as an Apple exclusive and The Weeknd released a couple of The Hills remixes with Eminem and Nicki Minaj so this isn't the first time Drake is blocked by remixes.

 

Then Hello and Sorry debuted in the top 2 and it was too late for Hotline Bling.

[Villas]

That’s why he deleted his picture with her

[yuta]

drake team really underestimated her selling power

 

this is what he deserved 

[liquiddiamonds]

A woman blocking that misogynist shitfest. Feels right ??

[ImsoLOUD]

19 hours ago, Badgalbriel said:

Her tricks are effective.

Bookmarked.

[ImsoLOUD]

14 hours ago, bad guy said:

When Rihanna pulls chart manipulation tactics the Swifties went on an endless rampage at just the thought of Rihanna “stealing” Taylor’s #1. 

 

When Taylor pulls her usual chart manipulation tactics the Swifites praise it as “claiming what’s hers” despite Rich Flex doubling Anti-Organic’s streams this week.  

 

Another inorganic #1 from the BTS of Pop 

?????

[Sweetestsecret]

I don't know why some people fight here.. Taylor deserves to be #1 for third week . I prefer Taylor over drake's front-loaded songs.he's going to fall next week...

[Harry]

14 hours ago, bad guy said:

When Rihanna pulls chart manipulation tactics the Swifties went on an endless rampage at just the thought of Rihanna “stealing” Taylor’s #1. 

 

When Taylor pulls her usual chart manipulation tactics the Swifites praise it as “claiming what’s hers” despite Rich Flex doubling Anti-Organic’s streams this week.  

 

Another inorganic #1 from the BTS of Pop 

right. the narrative changes everyday truly a shameless stanbase

 

OT: yikes

[MingYouToo]

7 hours ago, WeFoundTrouble said:

Y’all say only fans buy these remixes. You think the fans of Taylor buy her music but don’t listen to it?  Of course anyone who buys it is also listening to it. Whether that’s 1 time or 100 times, that’s the nature of digital sales, and has been since their inception. That’s why, yes, streams have been better for checking long term listening patterns from consumers, but that doesn’t mean sales don’t mean anything during the point of purchase.

 

I’d also be here for a revenue chart. Germany uses one. But a lot of these streaming heavy artists, like Drake and Bad Bunny, would chart lower on there than people like Taylor, Adele, and Harry. And that’s not exactly what we’re looking to do here. It’s nice having a balance of sales artists and stream artists at the top of their games rn. Taylor just happens to excel in both.

This.

 

The user u quoteds logic is flawed w the box office comment bc remixes are not 1 to 1 adaptations of the original work, theyre reworks of the original body of work, if people buy them then thats not a repurchase but a completely new entity only w the same backbone.

 

Remixes by all intents and purposes should represent popularity still.

[MingYouToo]

13 hours ago, WeFoundTrouble said:

I don’t think labels hold end of the year Christmas parties or anything but if they did I just know Taylor and Drake would have so many executives patting them on the back and congratulating them for lining their pockets. Even though they also have The Weeknd, Ariana, Nicki, Post Malone, lots of other heavy hitters  

Ariana, Weeknd etc. may all be heavy hitters but Taylor and Drake are on another level. The profit those 2 bring especially Taylor far outclasses the chart performance Post Nicki Abel and Ari do.

[Scott Borchetta]

24 minutes ago, ImsoLOUD said:

Bookmarked.

What is there to bookmark?

There is a 100 point difference between her and drake and TOTC said this will be the biggest gap between top 2 songs in 2022 like...

[Atlantis]

Are the Taylor stans with 50+ posts in this thread trying to convince us she doesn't care about charts and that these remixes are just like any other remixes ever released and not a desperate attempt to keep her at #1 thanks to digital sales she obviously cares about charts and there's nothing wrong with that. 

[Alina M]

14 minutes ago, Atlantis said:

Are the Taylor stans with 50+ posts in this thread trying to convince us she doesn't care about charts and that these remixes are just like any other remixes ever released and not a desperate attempt to keep her at #1 thanks to digital sales she obviously cares about charts and there's nothing wrong with that. 

I didn't see one post which said that Taylor doesen't care about charts.

 

Anyways she didn't have to release all the remixes this week, the differnece is too big, she could've left something for upcoming weeks, not her fault Drake doesen't have a demand for people to spend money on his music.

[pride4jc1222]

In my opinion, the credibility of the Hot 100 is at stake. If Rich Flex isn’t #1 on the 11/19 chart, the Hot 100 is no longer a reputable chart. As I said earlier in the thread, the charts are broken if a song with less than 15M streams stays at #1 for weeks on end, while another song with 60M streams get blocked from #1 in the same quarter.

 

Let’s hope Billboard does the right thing and filter out some of those Anti-Hero sales, like they did with Lift Me Up the previous week.

[Shendelzare]

4 minutes ago, pride4jc1222 said:

In my opinion, the credibility of the Hot 100 is at stake

 

the dramatics

 

[4Real]

6 minutes ago, pride4jc1222 said:

In my opinion, the credibility of the Hot 100 is at stake. If Rich Flex isn’t #1 on the 11/19 chart, the Hot 100 is no longer a reputable chart. As I said earlier in the thread, the charts are broken if a song with less than 15M streams stays at #1 for weeks on end, while another song with 60M streams get blocked from #1 in the same quarter.

 

Let’s hope Billboard does the right thing and filter out some of those Anti-Hero sales, like they did with Lift Me Up the previous week.

Doing the most. Didn't Anti-Hero do 29m streams this week (not 15m)? And its sales are legit as she sold remixes of the song, not the very same song with a different digital artwork like Rihanna did. There is nothing to filter.

[Cloröx]

7 minutes ago, pride4jc1222 said:

In my opinion, the credibility of the Hot 100 is at stake. If Rich Flex isn’t #1 on the 11/19 chart, the Hot 100 is no longer a reputable chart. As I said earlier in the thread, the charts are broken if a song with less than 15M streams stays at #1 for weeks on end, while another song with 60M streams get blocked from #1 in the same quarter.

 

Let’s hope Billboard does the right thing and filter out some of those Anti-Hero sales, like they did with Lift Me Up the previous week.

Anti-Flop sales is genuine, not fake like LMU 

[4Real]

The Hot100 has three components: sales, radio, streams. Taylor is doing great in two (radio and streams) and spectacular in the other (sales). Drake is doing spectacular in one (streams) and zero in the other two. Anti-Hero is a hit and she'll get that 3rd week at #1 as she should.

[Hot Volcano]

15 hours ago, Artistofthedecade said:

Easy On Me against We Don't Talk About Bruno teas 

 

How is that situation comparable? EOM was a massive smash hit that spent 5 weeks at #1 on Streaming, its completely natural for it to have more points from radio than streaming in its 13th week when it blocked WDTAB. Also, Bruno exploded with Encanto's release, all of a sudden it was getting 35m streams without any airplay. Adele wasn't doing any chart manipulation to stay #1, all her weeks were organic and genuine.

 

EOM is the only female song in the top 10 most streamed songs of 2022 in the US, so keep trying to discredit its success.

 

 

 

[feelslikeadream]

Bet Drake isn't singing Bad Blood on the treadmill anymore