charts discussion Billboard: "Lift Me Up" 27k sales in 3 days; 15 million on-demand streams

[zzmyth]

The instrumental version also adds sales... and streams... and radio airplay

 

but anyway it's better if we focus on the 'doesnt add up' part.

 

The song is at 26.04M streams after 5 days (should be around 33M-34M the first whole week)... it's not like it did 5M...

[Cryptique]

we're here for Rih snatching another no.1 

[simmnfierzig]

2 hours ago, zzmyth said:

The instrumental version also adds sales... and streams... and radio airplay

 

but anyway it's better if we focus on the 'doesnt add up' part.

 

The song is at 26.04M streams after 5 days (should be around 33M-34M the first whole week)... it's not like it did 5M...

Where are you getting 26M streams after 5 days from?

Billboard said 8M day 1 and 7M days 2+3. A jump to 11M days 4+5 would seem a bit unlikely to me

Yeah it did increase a bit on Monday and there is rounding in there 

Edited November 3, 2022 by simmnfierzig

[PopFan1996]

8 hours ago, simmnfierzig said:

What 

It is. By far

 

Some songs by rappers pull more streams on AM, but really not a lot. Overall Spotify is still by far the biggest

 

Look at Anti-Hero last week

31.5M on Spotify, 12M on Youtube and only had 59M overall. With being #1 on Apple Music all week and doing well on Amazon Music

You're not taking into account that AM is 100% paid streams. Which is why it has more impact on the Hot 100

Edited November 3, 2022 by PopFan1996

[AlexStexaul]

3 minutes ago, PopFan1996 said:

You're not taking into account that AM is 100% paid streams. Which is why it has more impact on the Hot 100

its not like she destroyed AM. 

she was barely #1 for a half day and since then kept dropping like rock. 

 

its currently at #33 

 

if anything Anti Hero been #1 for almost whole week.( without MJ halloween for half a day+ rihanna for half a day) 

[simmnfierzig]

42 minutes ago, PopFan1996 said:

You're not taking into account that AM is 100% paid streams. Which is why it has more impact on the Hot 100

I dont think its close enough that that flips it 

 

But we can certainly agree that AM and Spotify are the top 2 and AH is #1 on 13/14 days there this week and LMU on 1 and only a few more days top 10.

LMU winning over AH would indicate a really bad Hot 100 formula 

[PopFan1996]

38 minutes ago, simmnfierzig said:

LMU winning over AH would indicate a really bad Hot 100 formula 

LMU is doing over 25k pure while AH is doing 7k pure. It doesn't indicate a bad formula, it just indicates that LMU had enough pure sales to compensate for the streams difference. Thought you would know better

[Carrie-is-no-1]

Why is this thread 10 pages when the numbers are black and white... We've seen artists benefited from a sales boost before 

[pride4jc1222]

15 minutes ago, Carrie-is-no-1 said:

Why is this thread 10 pages when the numbers are black and white... We've seen artists benefited from a sales boost before 

Just because artists have benefited from a sales before doesn't make it right. I didn't like it when Travis Scott from it with Franchise. I didn't like it when Nicki Minaj and Taylor Swift benefited. And I certainly didn't like when Butter (Remix) straight up stole a week at #1 from Stay when Butter was outside the Top 100 of Spotify, AM, and radio, while Stay was in the Top 5 of all metrics. That should have been the straw that broke the camel's back. Billboard lost credibility when it didn't remove sales from the Hot 100 formula after that debacle.

 

I still don't like it now that Rihanna is benefitting from it. LMU almost fell behind Disturbia (Rihanna's almost 15-year-old song) on streaming during the tracking week. It would feel so wrong if it beat out Anti-Hero for #1. Anti-Hero has clearly been the biggest song this week, and it would feel so wrong if it wasn't #1 on the Hot 100.

[simmnfierzig]

29 minutes ago, PopFan1996 said:

LMU is doing over 25k pure while AH is doing 7k pure. It doesn't indicate a bad formula, it just indicates that LMU had enough pure sales to compensate for the streams difference. Thought you would know better

18k sales should absolutely not matter that much. Its a tiny number

(And she will need a much bigger gap to get #1)

[Green]

1 hour ago, simmnfierzig said:

LMU winning over AH would indicate a really bad Hot 100 formula 

 

You all didn't care when elvira remixes and last minute website sales stole a #1 week from All I Want for Christmas is you 

[Carrie-is-no-1]

25 minutes ago, pride4jc1222 said:

Billboard lost credibility when it didn't remove sales from the Hot 100 formula after that debacle.

then why are you caring about this thread 

ETA: Billboard chart is supposed to be fun. You guys are taking it too seriously... Billboard has never been a true reflection of a song's popularity (anyone here before the digital era?). Britney would have gotten tons of #1s during her first 4 eras if that was true. She got 1 and Toxic still has the last laugh. Take the chart as a proxy, but not as a source of truth. I enjoy chart battles because of label manipulation and it makes the too-close-to-call race fun.

Edited November 3, 2022 by Carrie-is-no-1

[Carrie-is-no-1]

I mean, at least the label cares enough to do all these tactics for a #1. When they don't do enough, you guys would also complain 

[Cloröx]

17 minutes ago, Green said:

 

You all didn't care when elvira remixes and last minute website sales stole a #1 week from All I Want for Christmas is you 

Billboard did not change its formula in the middle of tracking week when Willow hit #1. And the worst thing is the new formula gives more advantage on radio airplay which is the most corrupted chart component. LMU slayage on radio does not reflect its performance on streaming, the song is tanking. The whole LMU fiasco is very suspicious including its pure sales. Those chart experts rarely make mistake when estimating sales based on iTunes, Amazon. It's website sales that little bit tricky but LMU was only available yesterday so where those huge sales number come from? 

[AlexStexaul]

7 minutes ago, Cloröx said:

The whole LMU fiasco is very suspicious including its pure sales.

[Literature]

They updated their article to say 16k sales in 3 days  Disney shipped the sales and they got shipped back

 

 

Edited November 5, 2022 by Literature

[FolkLover1989]

LMU these sales are fake. Confirmed by Billboard themselves. They changed it to 16k now

[dylanx]

3 minutes ago, Literature said:

They updated their article to say 16k sales in 3 days  Disney shipped the sales and they got shipped back

 

 

not 11k sales being made up  someone goofed hard here nn

[Headlock]

Not the High By The Beach 2: Electric Boogaloo sequel 

[Machete]

On 11/2/2022 at 5:50 PM, ninasayers said:

Already coming up with the conspiracy theories.  

 

 

On 11/2/2022 at 5:54 PM, Paola Bracho said:

Label buying sales, yt views, paying the radio and now I feel like those 8 mill debut streams are fake as well!!!

 

On 11/2/2022 at 5:58 PM, GoodGuyGoneGhetto said:

So now her label is purchasing the song?

 

 

 

 

On 11/2/2022 at 8:39 PM, Doogle said:

 

I was referring to the first few days lmao. BTS have astronomical sales, it’s completely reasonable that she sold well too. 

 

You lot are so dense on purpose it’s kind of sad

[ninasayers]

1 minute ago, Machete said:

 

Why r u quoting me? it's not my fault they made a mistake, like?  But good 4 y'all, you were correct! 

[latingrl2005]

I bet a swiftie wrote the article stating 27k to set u guys up. We work harder than the devil.

[Broken]

[Holiest Dreams]

5 hours ago, ninasayers said:

Why r u quoting me? it's not my fault they made a mistake, like?  But good 4 y'all, you were correct! 

I mean the numbers were statistically impossible given the insights we already had to sales charts, so… your ‘conspiracy theories’ claim was baseless when the skepticism was based on more than just a hunch  

[Nick_317]