discussion Abbas Meets Putin: Distrusts USA as Sole Mediator in Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

[ZIVERT]

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Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas met Russian President Vladmir Putin on Thursday,

restating his mistrust of Washington in resolving the conflict with Israel and expressing appreciation for Russia's role.

Abbas reiterated his support for the so-called Quartet of international mediators - Russia, the United States, the United Nations and the European Union - but said the United States could not be left a free hand to act alone.

"We don't trust America and you know our position. We don't trust it, we don't rely on it, and under no circumstances can we accept that America is the sole party in resolving a problem," Abbas told Putin at the Conference on Interaction and Confidence Building Measures in Asia (CICA) in Kazakhstan.

"It can be within the Quartet since it is a great country but we will never accept it as the only one," he said, in televised remarks.

The comments echo the 87 year-old Palestinian leader's longstanding suspicion of the United States, Israel's main ally, but come as President Joe Biden has stepped up efforts to isolate Russia over its attack on Ukraine.

Abbas said he was "completely satisfied" with Russia's position towards the Palestinian people.

"Russia stands by justice and international law and that is enough for us," he said.

"When you say you stand by international legitimacy, this is enough for me and that is what I want. Therefore, we are happy and satisfied with the Russian position."

 

On the day that the UN General Assembly overwhelmingly voted to condemn Russia's illegal annexation of 4 regions of Ukraine, Palestinian Authority leader Mahmoud Abbas embraces Russian President Vladimir Putin and his stance on "international law."

Edited October 14, 2022 by ZIVERT

[liver]

but #FreePalestine, right?

[bad guy]

Just now, liver said:

but #FreePalestine, right?

Yes 

[NausAllien]

You can't have it both ways, Palestine... 

 

[DonSiblon]

 

Where my #FreePalestine gays at? 

[Skestina]

[the good guy_duh]

Pathetic.

[Mikeymoonshine]

Why exactly would Palestine's leaders trust the US when the US doesn't recognise Palestine and is allied with Israel? Why is support of Ukraine morally mandated but support of Palestine not? People don't support Palestine because of the opinions of it's leaders they support it because what Israel is doing is wrong and against international law. 

 

Obviously Putin is bad, obviously this person is wrong about Putin that doesn't magically make apartheid ok. That doesn't magically make murdering countless children ok. 

[Archetype]

[Gov Hooka]

He’s incorrect for his statements but he’s pointing out the hypocrisy. The UN has not voted to condemn Israel’s illegal annexation of Palestinian land. Y’all have routinely showed a proWestern double standard on this site. The UN is a sham for having selective outrage on these issues. 

[Gov Hooka]

43 minutes ago, liver said:

but #FreePalestine, right?

It’s always free Palestine. 

[Contessa]

15 minutes ago, Mikeymoonshine said:

Why exactly would Palestine's leaders trust the US when the US doesn't recognise Palestine and is allied with Israel? Why is support of Ukraine morally mandated but support of Palestine not? People don't support Palestine because of the opinions of it's leaders they support it because what Israel is doing is wrong and against international law. 

 

Obviously Putin is bad, obviously this person is wrong about Putin that doesn't magically make apartheid ok. That doesn't magically make murdering countless children ok. 

This but sadly the intellect and motivation of the posters above don’t move beyond a cheap kii

[ZIVERT]

4 minutes ago, Gov Hooka said:

He’s incorrect for his statements but he’s pointing out the hypocrisy. The UN has not voted to condemn Israel’s illegal annexation of Palestinian land. Y’all have routinely showed a proWestern double standard on this site. The UN is a sham for having selective outrage on these issues. 

The UN consistently condemns Israel, usually spearheaded by the 22 Arab League countries against the only Jewish state. Israel has nearly half of the country-led UN condemnation resolutions because of this, more than countries like North Korea, Syria, and Iran. I’m glad you agree that the UN has selective outrage

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[Gov Hooka]

3 minutes ago, ZIVERT said:

The UN consistently condemns Israel, usually spearheaded by the 22 Arab League countries against the only Jewish state. Israel has nearly half of the country-led UN condemnation resolutions because of this, more than countries like North Korea, Syria, and Iran. I’m glad you agree that the UN has selective outrage

I should be more specific in my original post. The Western nations that run the UN (and more importantly the World Bank and IMF) have selective outrage. They financially and military prop up a genocidal apartheid state and expect the rest of the world (who have been brutally colonized and still having their resources/labor exploited en masse by  the West) to act the same towards their enemy states. Not gonna happen. You failed to omit the fact that the nations abstaining and voting no represent half of the worlds population. 

[SlowGinFizzzz]

What a clown. 

[State of Grace.]

ATRL dumbos and their blatant hypocrisy when it comes to Ukraine / Palestine oh lordt 

 

40 minutes ago, Mikeymoonshine said:

Why exactly would Palestine's leaders trust the US when the US doesn't recognise Palestine and is allied with Israel? Why is support of Ukraine morally mandated but support of Palestine not? People don't support Palestine because of the opinions of it's leaders they support it because what Israel is doing is wrong and against international law. 

 

Obviously Putin is bad, obviously this person is wrong about Putin that doesn't magically make apartheid ok. That doesn't magically make murdering countless children ok. 

24 minutes ago, Gov Hooka said:

He’s incorrect for his statements but he’s pointing out the hypocrisy. The UN has not voted to condemn Israel’s illegal annexation of Palestinian land. Y’all have routinely showed a proWestern double standard on this site. The UN is a sham for having selective outrage on these issues. 

  The zionists hate to read the truth  

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[anti-bitch]

36 minutes ago, Gov Hooka said:

It’s always free Palestine. 

You can be pro-Palestine and pro-Ukraine at the same time. But it seems like politicians are corrupt on both/all sides.

[getback]

I guess homophobic countries gotta stick together  

[e_yal]

54 minutes ago, Gov Hooka said:

It’s always free Palestine. 

Until Palestine will actually get "freed" but not even one arab with israeli ID will agree to live there, or until gay muslim will beg to stay in israel and then people like you will say how bad Israel for not let them in.

 

Funny thing is to see how many people here dont even understand why they are supporting - another terror base without women/gay right in the middle east

[Mikeymoonshine]

15 minutes ago, getback said:

I guess homophobic countries gotta stick together  

 

1 minute ago, e_yal said:

Until Palestine will actually get "freed" but not even one arab with israeli ID will agree to live there, or until gay muslim will beg to stay in israel and then people like you will say how bad Israel for not let them in.

 

Funny thing is to see how many people here dont even understand why they are supporting - another terror base without women/gay right in the middle east

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2014-09-23/ty-article/.premium/idf-gays-who-help-blackmail-gays/0000017f-db58-db22-a17f-fff9c4650000

 

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"IDF's 8200 is one of the army's most gay-friendly units - but recent refusenik letter revealed the unit does not shy from aiding Shin Bet to blackmail gay Palestinians."

 

"As a soldier in Unit 8200, I collected information on people accused of either attacking Israelis, trying to attack Israelis, desiring to harm Israelis, and considering attacking Israelis. I also collected information on people who were completely innocent, and whose only crime was that they interested the Israeli security system for various reasons. Reasons they have no way of knowing. If you’re homosexual and know someone who knows a wanted person – and we need to know about it – Israel will make your life miserable. ... Any such case, in which you ‘fish out’ an innocent person from whom information might be squeezed, or who could be recruited as a collaborator, was like striking gold for us and for Israel’s entire intelligence community. ... During my training course in preparation for my service in this assigned role, we actually learned to memorize different words for ‘gay’ in Arabic.”

 

"This is not new to anyone who is familiar with the way the Shin Bet operates and the sometimes despicable methods it uses to recruit collaborators to strengthen Israeli control in the territories. The members of the Shin Bet put a cruel choice before gay Palestinians: betray their people by spying for the regime and risk being cruelly put to death – all in exchange for keeping their secret – or have their secret exposed and be ostracized from their families, exposed to violent attacks and perhaps even murdered."

 

[Mikeymoonshine]

Zionists will literally use any excuse to justify what Israel is doing. As if Palestinian political leaders being bad or Palestinian culture being homophobic justifies this 

 

 

Gay Palestinians and women in Palestine are not helped by denial of atrocities committed by Israel.

 

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[ClashAndBurn]

1 hour ago, ZIVERT said:

The UN consistently condemns Israel, usually spearheaded by the 22 Arab League countries against the only Jewish state. Israel has nearly half of the country-led UN condemnation resolutions because of this, more than countries like North Korea, Syria, and Iran. I’m glad you agree that the UN has selective outrage

Doesn’t the United States veto nearly every single attempt to hold Israel accountable for their abominable apartheid?

[e_yal]

9 minutes ago, Mikeymoonshine said:

 

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2014-09-23/ty-article/.premium/idf-gays-who-help-blackmail-gays/0000017f-db58-db22-a17f-fff9c4650000

 

 

as Israeli who actually was nominated for 8200 this is pure BS. These guys working to target and prevent terror attacks and you quote a source which is not even left but anti israeli site - Ha hartz. 

 

Israel have arabs in it's chosen house, israel give them full rights ofc, israel is only defend itself and even if dont care about women rights, gay rights and support terror ( three things you do as a Palestinian supporter) im sorry you will not convince me we should "Free" a country that made its flag in 1956 (after Israel created), that never had a coin or capital city, that was under the British and othmans's rule and basically living on people like you that would believe that BS that Israel Kill innocent children for fun. I suggest you to come to Israel once and see the reality for yourself until then keep your Palestine fantasy or poor women and children raped by israeli hunk soldiers 

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[e_yal]

Just now, ClashAndBurn said:

Doesn’t the United States veto nearly every single attempt to hold Israel accountable for their abominable apartheid?

Apartheid when the population went from 100,000 to 2,000,000? Wow. A miracle ?. 

 

Funny thing is , you are talking about People who support beheading women like poor angels 

[ZIVERT]

Just now, ClashAndBurn said:

Doesn’t the United States veto nearly every single attempt to hold Israel accountable for their abominable apartheid?

The United States has also given the PA billions of dollars in aid over the years, so I'm not sure why Abbas trusts the Americans to give him his country money, but doesn't trust the Americans to help create a two state solution. Maybe because the US doesn't support the "kick all the Jews into the sea" all-or-nothing Palestinian point of view in the conflict?