celeb news Gigi to Kanye: "You're a bully and a joke” / Kanye respond and Khloé attacks

[State of Grace.]

She SPILLED and said what needed to be said.  

 

Also the misogyny and white-washing of MENA people in this thread...

 

7 hours ago, BOOMBAYAH said:

Gigi is amazing for standing up for Gabby. The reason Kanye felt comfortable publicly attacking Gabby, a senior Vogue practitioner, is because she is a black woman. He would never attempt this with Tim Blanks or Vanessa Friedman (who wrote an entire New York Times article slamming his White Lives Matter gimmick). I hope more people in the industry speak out against Kanye because the carte blanche he is given in the industry is both undeserved and abused. 

5 hours ago, C-Amber said:

She's half white, not fully white. Her father is full Palestinian man with full Arabian parents. Even her name Jelena Noura Hadid is literally mostly Arab name نوره حديد. So gtfo and stop calling People in middle East as white people a term that is there to describe people with European origin. If White is to describe only the skin color then entire world is filled with white people with lighter skin, but the term is there to describe racial

5 hours ago, BOOMBAYAH said:

She is not just a “model”, she is a supermodel, and supermodels have historically been at the forefront of social commentary because they are valued for both their visual prowess and ideologies (whether the ideologies be good, or not so good), see: Naomi Campbell, Linda Evangelista, Tyra Banks, or even her sister Bella Hadid. Plus, she’s commentating on drama happening within her industry + standing up for someone who, otherwise, would not have a global voice. To tell someone they “don’t have a voice” because of their occupation is incredibly ignorant, and more telling of your own predispositions than theirs. 

Period.

[Karla Cabello]

this thread getting derailed on the "are arabs white or not" 

[BOOMBAYAH]

14 minutes ago, C-Amber said:

 

Idk what vast majority thinks, what people think doesn't make it truth. She isn't fully white and will never be. And you hatred to them showing big time. Either ways it doesn't matter, you can't change people origins, they both half white and that's it.

I don’t think she’s denying they are POC, she’s saying that because of their white-passing phenotype and privileged background, they most likely have not faced the same tribulations that a monolithic ethnic person would. And it is true, especially for Gigi who has pale skin, blonde hair, and blue eyes; their ‘white’ outer appearance shields them from a lot of discrimination both from the outside world and in their industry. I think even Bella admit that felt pressured to alter her Palestinian nose to appeal to a more conventional (white) beauty standard.

[Michael196]

Only on atrl you’d find people that consider europeans not white while saying that arabs are... get your history in check

 

also... he’s a whole ass racoon and anyone that’s trying to report that and say otherwise is sitting in that same exact bracket...

[Sesame]

4 hours ago, Protocol said:

Lmao. They are human clothes hangers nothing more. None of them have anything intelligent to say, it is why they picked this profession that literally just requires them to wear clothes and walk and pose.

Can you point me to something intelligent kanye has said in the past 13 years? Because I can certainly point you too a whole long list of stupid **** he has said.

[State of Grace.]

4 hours ago, Saintlor said:

They socially benefit from looking full white but Bella tries to act like she has the struggles of POC (when she has grown up with enormous racial, economic and social privilege). People are buying into Bella's fakery.

Literally what fakery?  Bella has never denied the fact that she grew up rich and was much more privileged than other people in her region. She has never tried to "act like she has the struggles of POC". She is just very vocal about the struggles of her people in Palestine that don't get the same level of attention internationally (even if it's a risk to her career) and constantly uses her huge platform to shine light on other issues like women's rights, immigration, police brutality, etc.

 

I do agree that both Bella and Gigi benefit a lot from being "white-passing" in the industry but the rest is nonsense.

Edited October 4, 2022 by State of Grace.

[Oxy]

7 hours ago, KatyPrismSpirit said:

Awh here comes white savior telling black boy hes bad for sharing his opinion. And how is she calling anyone a bully when she calls people ugly online 

Expect them to say he’s not black cause he doesn’t follow their ideologies. 

 

OT: She will get bonus stars cause she’s the savior black people need 

[Lille]

Glad people are finally seeing what a loser Uncle Kanye is and always has been.

[Oxy]

27 minutes ago, Karla Cabello said:

this thread getting derailed on the "are arabs white or not" 

There is difference in Arabs, those who are from the Arabian peninsula are like more ethnic and of color while those of the Levant have a lot of French and Turkish mix and come off as Caucasian. So there is a language share but not ethnic similarities. 
 

Peninsula = Indian, East African, Persian and Bedouin mixture.

 

Levant = French, Jewish, Turkish and Greek mixture. 

[Saintlor]

34 minutes ago, State of Grace. said:

Literally what fakery?  Bella has never denied the fact that she grew up rich and was much more privileged than other people in her region. She has never tried to "act like she has the struggles of POC". She is just very vocal about the struggles of her people in Palestine that don't get the same level of attention internationally (even if it's a risk to her career) and constantly uses her huge platform to shine light on other issues like women's rights, immigration, police brutality, etc.

 

I do agree that both Bella and Gigi benefit a lot from being "white-passing" in the industry but the rest is nonsense.

Bella literally posted on Instagram a photo of herself on the cover of vogue and captioned it saying “A Palestinian girl on the cover of Vogue. The joy it brings me to say that.....I won't stop talking about the systematic oppression, pain and humility that Palestinians face on a regular basis.”

 

She used to always claim she is a natural blonde. Now she is claiming growing up people preferred Gigi as she was a natural blonde and Bella was a brunette 

 

She is definitely trying to align herself as a POC and trying to make out she experiences racial suppression in order to gain public sympathy

 

Edited October 5, 2022 by Saintlor

[State of Grace.]

5 minutes ago, Saintlor said:

Bella literally posted on Instagram a photo of herself on the cover of vogue and captioned it saying “A Palestinian girl on the cover of Vogue. The joy it brings me to say that.....I won't stop talking about the systematic oppression, pain and humility that Palestinians face on a regular basis.”

 

She is definitely trying to align herself as a POC and trying to make out she experiences racial suppression in order to gain public sympathy

She is PALESTINIAN and she said that she won't stop talking about the oppression that PALESTINIANS there face. Do you want her to disown her roots? Not talk about the ongoing genocide and apartheid there?  The way you think she's doing this to "gain public sympathy" is messed up.

Edited October 5, 2022 by State of Grace.

[Saintlor]

8 minutes ago, State of Grace. said:

She is PALESTINIAN and she said that she won't stop talking about the oppression that PALESTINIANS there face. Do you want her to disown her roots? Not talk about the ongoing genocide and apartheid there?  The way you think she's doing this to "gain public sympathy" is messed up.

She has been documented even lying about her hair colour to get sympathy. She is definitely tying to portray herself as racially suppressed when she absolutely isn’t 

 

2021: I didn’t want to be put in a box or be seen as a carbon copy of her sister, so even though I’m a natural blond I dye my hair brunette 

2022: “I was the uglier sister. I was the brunette. I wasn’t as cool as Gigi, not as outgoing. That’s really what people said about me. And unfortunately when you get told things so many times, you do just believe it.”

 

Bella is as Palestinian as Halsey is a black woman.

Edited October 5, 2022 by Saintlor

[bad guy]

5 hours ago, Protocol said:

Lmao. They are human clothes hangers nothing more. None of them have anything intelligent to say, it is why they picked this profession that literally just requires them to wear clothes and walk and pose.

Reducing supermodels as stupid bimbos that have nothing of importance to say is very 1950s  And it's not like she's wrong. His antics are just annoying at this point and he's f****** 50! 

[bad guy]

12 minutes ago, Saintlor said:

She has been documented even lying about her hair colour to get sympathy. She is definitely tying to portray herself as racially suppressed when she absolutely isn’t 

 

2021: I didn’t want to be put in a box or be seen as a carbon copy of her sister, so even though I’m a natural blond I dye my hair brunette 

2022: “I was the uglier sister. I was the brunette. I wasn’t as cool as Gigi, not as outgoing. That’s really what people said about me. And unfortunately when you get told things so many times, you do just believe it.”

 

Bella is as Palestinian as Halsey is a black woman.

Bella's Palestinian roots are her father and his entire lineage. That's 50% of her genetics. Halsey is 1/8th black . She is genetically an Arab woman, and her features pre-nose job prove that.

 

That's like saying Zendaya's not black because she has a white mom. What are you even saying 

Edited October 5, 2022 by bad guy

[State of Grace.]

14 minutes ago, Saintlor said:

She has been documented even lying about her hair colour to get sympathy. She is definitely tying to portray herself as racially suppressed when she absolutely isn’t 

 

2021: I didn’t want to be put in a box or be seen as a carbon copy of her sister, so even though I’m a natural blond I dye my hair brunette 

2022: “I was the uglier sister. I was the brunette. I wasn’t as cool as Gigi, not as outgoing. That’s really what people said about me. And unfortunately when you get told things so many times, you do just believe it.”

 

Bella is as Palestinian as Halsey is a black woman.

Bella still has family living in Palestine and she does a lot more than IG posts/infographics to her people there. It is well known that she constantly helps and funds NGOs, independent media, journalism, etc. She has friends and companies that dropped her/cut her off after speaking up about Palestine.

 

Her father was literally born into a Palestinian muslim family. She is Palestinian whether you like it or not.

 

You do have a history of hating her so I feel like I'm wasting my time atp  

Edited October 5, 2022 by State of Grace.

[Saintlor]

6 minutes ago, bad guy said:

Bella's Palestinian roots are her father and his entire lineage. That's 50% of her genetics. Halsey is 1/8th black . She is genetically an Arab woman, and her features pre-nose job prove that.

 

That's like saying Zendaya's not black because she has a white mom. What are you even saying 

Zendaya looks half black and people see Zendaya as that. Nobody could mistake Zendaya as a white woman.

 

Society views Bella as a white woman

 

Nobody is looking at this and seeing 2 Arab girls (especially if they weren’t told)

Kim Kardashian is half white but in no way would she be seen as a white woman 

Edited October 5, 2022 by Saintlor

[State of Grace.]

14 minutes ago, Saintlor said:

Kim Kardashian is half white but in no way would she be seen as a white woman 

Kim Kardhashian is a white woman that profits off of emulating black women. Please stop your madness. 

 

[liquiddiamonds]

I dont think its your place to tell how people are read or not. You are not even part of their circles and you definitely don’t know their history beyond the usual gossip and what they share to us. Bella was speaking about her post-fame comparisons to Gigi, not when they were kids on the second interview, therefore she was not lying on none of that. She was a blond growin up and she was compared unfavorably to her sis on the spotlight. But nice try changing the context. You and others have been crossing some boundaries regarding these discussions and the discussion has gone out of topic. Again: know your place. This is about a woman in the industry standing up for another, because in silence everyone will think these types of attacks are okay and that the fashion world is siding with kanye and not Gabriella, a highly respected figure in the whole industry. Moreover we dont have a lot of black women occupying the position she occupies so we wont lose her over Kanye damn West, a megalomaniac with plenty of issues

Edited October 5, 2022 by liquiddiamonds

[Shendelzare]

Gigi is right, Kanye West is a JOKE

[Saintlor]

1 minute ago, State of Grace. said:

Kim Kardhashian is a white woman that profits off of emulating black women. Please stop your madness. 

 

So according to you, this is a white woman:

 

 

And these are Arab women:

 

[bad guy]

17 minutes ago, Saintlor said:

Zendaya looks half black and people see Zendaya as that. Nobody could mistake Zendaya as a white woman.

 

Society views Bella as a white woman

 

Nobody is looking at this and seeing 2 Arab girls (especially if they weren’t told)

Kim Kardashian is half white but in no way would she be seen as a white woman 

We aren't talking about Gigi. We're talking about Bella who naturally looked like an Arab woman before her nose job. 

 

 

Their brother also looks like an Arab man. Gigi is the only one that looks like her mother, but that's beside the point. They are Palestinian. And growing up in LA I've seen plenty of girls that look like that Bella/Gigi pic you posted who are fully Persian or Turkish so I don't get why you're trying to erase their identity here 

 

And if you think people don't see Kim K as a white woman...

[CottageHore]

Kanye and his delusions. It’s very concerning. He lives in an imaginative world where he’s some genius. He’s had a few strokes of genius and that’s it. He’s very lost and not well and needs serious help. 

[C-Amber]

1 hour ago, Saintlor said:

Bella literally posted on Instagram a photo of herself on the cover of vogue and captioned it saying “A Palestinian girl on the cover of Vogue. The joy it brings me to say that.....I won't stop talking about the systematic oppression, pain and humility that Palestinians face on a regular basis.”

 

She used to always claim she is a natural blonde. Now she is claiming growing up people preferred Gigi as she was a natural blonde and Bella was a brunette 

 

She is definitely trying to align herself as a POC and trying to make out she experiences racial suppression in order to gain public sympathy

 

Since when claiming to be Palestinian give anyone good pass or good attention in this world and industry? Never. In fact it's give the opposite, more and more attacking and hating on anyone defending the country, even been kicked out from the industry slowly. 

 

 

 

+ you clearly no nothing about Arab women, idk what though on your mind about them (probably something racist asf) but many Arab women in middle East are look alike from Bella, many have colored eyes, and you can find them in all kind of skin colors. So stfu about Arab women when you know nothing about them, I'm literally an Arab women with full Arab family and know more than you'll even know about my own culture and people. 

Edited October 5, 2022 by C-Amber

[MadonnasBoyfriend]

56 minutes ago, bad guy said:

We aren't talking about Gigi. We're talking about Bella who naturally looked like an Arab woman before her nose job. 

 

 

Their brother also looks like an Arab man. Gigi is the only one that looks like her mother, but that's beside the point. They are Palestinian. And growing up in LA I've seen plenty of girls that look like that Bella/Gigi pic you posted who are fully Persian or Turkish so I don't get why you're trying to erase their identity here 

 

And if you think people don't see Kim K as a white woman...

Kim is only half white. Her father Robert Kardashian is Armenian sweetie. 

[lostcause]

27 minutes ago, Saintlor said:

So according to you, this is a white woman:

 

 

And these are Arab women:

 

I see three women who are technically “Caucasian”. 

As for “whiteness”, Kim is half Armenian and the Hadids are half Palestinian. Armenia is the first state in the world to adopt Christianity as its official religion, tying its history close to European Christianity in the west. Armenia is considered/considers its self a part of Europe, and aligns its self with the Council of Europe, the Eastern Partnership, Eurocontrol, the Assembly of European Regions, and the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development. Armenian is an indo-European language. Arabic is a Semitic language. Armenian culture is distinctively European. Levantine culture is not.

Armenians have a higher genetic affinity to Neolithic Europeans than other present-day Near Easterners. The term “Caucasian” literally comes from the Caucasus where Armenia is located. By literally every measure, Armenians are considered white far more than Palestinian  Arabs. 

 

Kim is a white woman. No fake tan or body modification will ever change that. On the other hand GiGi and Bella’s Palestinian forefathers were never considered European, never spoke info European languages, and are culturally/historically tied to North Africa and west Asia far more than Europe. 

 

If you think Kim isn’t white, then the Hadids definitely aren’t.