discussion Chile: Voters Decisively Reject Leftist Constitution

[Horizon Flame]

The new charter envisioned a dramatic shift to the left in the South American nation, expanding the role of government and calling for an economic model that would narrow inequalities and help lift up the poor.

 

But for many Chileans, the proposed changes were too drastic.

 

 

Edited September 5, 2022 by Horizon Flame

[Happylittlepunk]

What about the new Chilean president the swifty. Was this a loss for him or a gain? Btw how was there last president politics? What do Chileans want more? 

[unbothered]

Sucks for them. 

[Contessa]

Wasn’t it said that the far right mobilized and fed voters misinformation ahead of the vote? 

[JoJo]

Sucks, but hopefully Chilean voters can agree on a new constitution that’s suitable for all of them in the future. The most important thing is for them to get rid of their current constitution that was established by a right-wing authoritarian dictator who took over Chile in a US backed coup.

Edited September 5, 2022 by JoJo

[Eric.]

That's sad. It was a great document.

 

Hopefully they take on this opportunity to further improve on it and educate the populance agaisnt misinformation. 

[FightForTanas]

People always vote against their own interests in these countries. A MESS. 

[Protocol]

6 minutes ago, FightForTanas said:

People always vote against their own interests in these countries. A MESS. 

Well Latin America doesn’t exactly have the best track record with the far left. What with all the terrorist groups, dictators, etc. Venezuela isn’t a paradise. Neither was Peru in the 70s. Nor was Cuba.

[FightForTanas]

19 minutes ago, Protocol said:

Well Latin America doesn’t exactly have the best track record with the far left. What with all the terrorist groups, dictators, etc. Venezuela isn’t a paradise. Neither was Peru in the 70s. Nor was Cuba.

This new constitution was MUCH different from those. It was created by a diverse panel of constituents, 50% women not ONE male dictator. They took so much time to look at the inequities and issues that the people were facing and it was just rejected by people who were brainwashed to accept the current status quo that caused this mess in the first place.  Here is a literal quote from a reject voter "We maintain our current constitution. We maintain the ideals of freedom of Chile, the most prosperous country in Latin America.”   Literally 3 years down the drain. 

Edited September 5, 2022 by FightForTanas

[Nano]

36 minutes ago, FightForTanas said:

People always vote against their own interests in these countries. A MESS. 

"These" countries? People in advanced nations do it all the time. Switzerland voters straight up rejected a law that would reduce their working hours. Doesn't get much more capitalism-worshiping than that.

[ProudLBS]

Is it really surprising that the only developed country in the region has rejected what has kept all of its neighbors behind?

[Cloudy]

Well hopefully they know what they are doing and don't regret it later

[infrared]

People vote against their interests alll the time 

[ElectricFrancis]

The main fault is on the ridiculous people who wrote and represented it, the document itself wasn’t that bad (although it had a lot of ideals that I personally found unachievable), however the scandals screwed everything up. 
 

And progressive people are forgetting something: Chile is mainly a conservative country. Once politicians and the people who will be in charge of the new writing understand that, the process will succeed. 

[Bosque]

3 hours ago, ProudLBS said:

Is it really surprising that the only developed country in the region has rejected what has kept all of its neighbors behind?

No, not surprising at all 

[Rev8]

Only in Taylor's Chile

 

[Joyride]

7 hours ago, Contessa said:

Wasn’t it said that the far right mobilized and fed voters misinformation ahead of the vote? 

in a list of lies, feed BY the media:

 

- people were not gonna be the owners of their properties

- all immigrants would get immediate health benefits, houses, etc. as soon as they landed in the country

- the law systems would be divided, making native people to use their rules to judge civilians

- expropriation would be unfair as you would only be paid bits and pieces and not be able to negotiate 

- inheritable pensions; your pension would be shared with others

- we have a private health system, which people made SURE it was know it was gonna "disappear" instead of merged with the public health system, making the people who actually have private health to clutch their pearls, making them feel like second class citizens and rejecting the idea to be placed in anything public because here in Chile public equals poverty

 

these were a few lies used by the far right to reject the new constitution, which, by the way, was always open to modifications, even after being chosen.

 

TV shows and every other kind of media made sure these lies were spread like a ******* virus. everyone suddenly had READ the entire constitution (old and new), making everyone a misinformed commentator.

 

as a side note; people in this country have this almost... high horse feeling, meaning that they think of themselves very highly, it's a mindset that even people from the poorest places of the country share.

 

as a general comment and someone who voted for the new text to be implemented, we need to get rid of Facebook and elect better people to write the new one, which should already be in the works.

[Communion]

4 hours ago, ProudLBS said:

Is it really surprising that the only developed country in the region has rejected what has kept all of its neighbors behind?

....abortion, the main wedge issue?

[ProudLBS]

13 minutes ago, Communion said:

....abortion, the main wedge issue?

No, careless spending.

[brazil]

5 hours ago, ProudLBS said:

Is it really surprising that the only developed country in the region has rejected what has kept all of its neighbors behind?

It's not a lefist constitution that has kept countries behind though.

[Communion]

Just now, ProudLBS said:

No, careless spending.

Healthcare spending that involved giving women extended rights on abortion?

 

It's just odd how right-wingers have spent decades making the argument of "communists in Latin America hate women and gays yet theyre somehow considered the left" but now relish in a progressive government struggling to pass its new constitution in large part because of social issues that much of the conservative members of the country have issue with. 

 

I think it's fair to point out this contradiction and ask for consistency, no?

 

The Boric government is the kind of opposition that Western liberals dream of: academic over militant, progressive over revolutionary, largely good on a wide array of social issues, etc. If his government and non-socialist socialism is still too radical in your eyes, then do leftist leaders in LatAm have the right to question what point of appeasing liberalism is there?

 

You can try to downplay the role of social issues, and of course it seems lots of issues played a role as those in the thread here actually from Chile have been telling us, but your denials don't stop right-wingers from seeing the constitution failing as a win for social conservatism. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ProudLBS]

3 minutes ago, Communion said:

Healthcare spending that involved giving women extended rights on abortion?

 

It's just odd how right-wingers have spent decades making the argument of "communists in Latin America hate women and gays yet theyre somehow considered the left" but now relish in a progressive government struggling to pass its new constitution in large part because of social issues that much of the conservative members of the country have issue with. 

 

I think it's fair to point out this contradiction and ask for consistency, no?

 

The Boric government is the kind of opposition that Western liberals dream of: academic over militant, progressive over revolutionary, largely good on a wide array of social issues, etc. If his government and non-socialist socialism is still too radical in your eyes, then do leftist leaders in LatAm have the right to question what point of appeasing liberalism is there?

 

You can try to downplay the role of social issues, and of course it seems lots of issues played a role as those in the thread here actually from Chile have been telling us, but your denials don't stop right-wingers from seeing the constitution failing as a win for social conservatism. 

 

 

 

All sorts of careless spending. Chileans made their choice and it wasn’t even close.

[Communion]

6 minutes ago, ProudLBS said:

All sorts of careless spending. Chileans made their choice and it wasn’t even close.

Sis, we're not taking about Chileans. We're talking about you suddenly supporting a populace not viewing abortion and gender equality as important as long as they support the idea of free trade and wide open lithium markets. Surely that's a bit hypocritical, no?

Edited September 5, 2022 by Communion

[Madonno]

Well, there´s a common saying: "Chile is the Latin American UK"... so now after this and right after the Brexit, that common saying is accurate.

Social Medias must be regulated as soon as possible, because the Fake News spreads not just in Chile but also Brazil, USA, UK, Colombia, etc is a very concerning danger for democracy all over the world.

[Madonno]

5 minutes ago, Communion said:

Sis, we're not taking about Chileans. We're talking about you suddenly supporting a populace not viewing abortion and gender equality as important as long as they support the idea of free trade and wide open lithium markets. Surely that's a bit hypocritical, no?

The saddest thing are cities without water supply voting against a Constitution that guaranteed them the access to water before the Industries