The Witch Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 20 minutes ago, Universo said: Kendall having a full MELTDOWN was delicious no murderers ALLOWED Spoiler Kendall should've unalived himself in front of Shitv to leave that puta even more traumada Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Universo Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 1 hour ago, KasioKas said: "I'm the eldest boy!" "you're not" he was desperate poor thing 1 hour ago, The Witch said: Reveal hidden contents Kendall should've unalived himself in front of Shitv to leave that puta even more traumada he took the L very gracefully at the end i'll give him that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katara Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 I wish Shiv's argument was better than "but but you killed a nobody 3 seasons ago!!!" Especially since they all know they are human scum with no empathy and that they directly or indirectly have made people suffer or even die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McNulty Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 The finale was absolutely amazing and very fitting end to the characters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATRL Moderator Ampersand13 Posted June 2, 2023 ATRL Moderator Share Posted June 2, 2023 Honestly, one of the best and most satisfying conclusions I've seen in a while. I wasn't wholly convinced they would stick the landing so to speak but I think they did just that. There were definitely some elements of this season that I didn't love but they were mostly small nit-picky things and when the finale is as flawless as this it makes some of the missteps easier to get over. One of the best television dramas to have graced our screens no doubt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Mxnster Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 One of my top three favorite scenes in the series Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunUpDoneUp Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 On 5/30/2023 at 1:07 PM, KasioKas said: I disagree with this, the issue with Kendall has always been that when he gets a taste of power he gets cocky, blind with it and gains a superiority complex attitude problem and begins speaking down to everyone and refusing their good counsel - every single time. Kendall has had the support his father had on a smaller scale (lawyer, assistants, advisors from colleagues to tech giants) and blew it up singlehandedly, on multple occasions. He's also a snake that turns on anyone and that has happened enough times that everyone has lost trust in him. Logan obviously lost his temper when things get shaky and noone was giving good suggestions and just "p**** footing around" but Kendall lost his temper at that too + when things were stable, and was rarely humble or kind to anyone. He took the worst attributes of his father but didn't have the stability (mentally or otherwise) to maintain power regardless of those attributs, like Logan did. On 5/30/2023 at 1:11 PM, KasioKas said: Also to say Tom makes no decisions on his own and cowers is false, he's been very calculated, though timid in his conversations. The best course of action was to bow to the giants and serve and he understood that with his experience and background. Smart. Of course he wasn't a good person. That's the point, no one good is at the top, they'd self-implode from the abuse and corruption that a company that size has going on in the first place. That's why we had Logan's team and little nuggets of the "old boys" that he ran with on the come-up. The idea that Logan wasn't in the know of the shady dealings like kendall would've, is laughable. They're one and the same and that's what you need to pilot a behemoth like waystar. Ken may be a f-up but he's the only one who has the most grease out of the lot of them. He's the one who Logan always kept in sight because he's the one he knew was supposed to take over. Tom was a 2-bit chump and still is, he betrayed his friends to swallow his own load in a drug den, was scared to talk to a nazi about them being a nazi and stepped back from doing the one thing he believed in on cruises, unlike kendall who always stood in what he believed, that Logan was unfit and waystar was a den of vipers that needed to be hosed. Kendall is the only one in the show who followed through on opposing Logan and he wasn't bribed back like the others. As someone who despises kendall and would like to kick him in the head, he was the one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Jinyoung Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 Need to start my S4 rewatch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midnightdawn Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 On 6/1/2023 at 11:33 PM, katara said: I wish Shiv's argument was better than "but but you killed a nobody 3 seasons ago!!!" Especially since they all know they are human scum with no empathy and that they directly or indirectly have made people suffer or even die. I think it was an example of the family dynamic where Kendall opened up to them in confidence and then Shiv used that against him. They were all understanding towards him and then right at that crucial moment she used it as her trump card. Ultimately no one in the family can be honest with each other because it will be used by others to hurt them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katara Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 2 hours ago, midnightdawn said: I think it was an example of the family dynamic where Kendall opened up to them in confidence and then Shiv used that against him. They were all understanding towards him and then right at that crucial moment she used it as her trump card. Ultimately no one in the family can be honest with each other because it will be used by others to hurt them. Oh yeah when you see it like that it makes sense and fits with them being scum without any empathy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFireLexus Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 Jesse Armstrong on the ending: Quote Tom has always been subservient. Now he has this status, but his status is contingent. That’s kind of what the whole episode is about. Shiv’s status is as all the kids are … secure. It’s secure in a financial sense. She has billions of dollars. She has wealth that could never diminish, whatever happened to the world. And she also has a name, which will sort of haunt her and make it interesting, to a certain degree, for the rest of her life, and that can’t be taken away from her. Whereas Tom’s position could be taken away in the click of fingers.” https://deadline.com/2023/06/succession-series-finale-shiv-tom-kendall-1235408660/ So much for the "Siobhan is her mother and Tom is Logan" party Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunUpDoneUp Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 Rewatching s1 and Kendall was the one who first said, "I love you but you're not serious people." Kendall really was his dad, ahead of him too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lillavend3r Posted August 15, 2023 Share Posted August 15, 2023 (edited) Finally finished this, and even though twitter spoiled most of the ending for me I was still floored. Shiv did what had to be done, Ken DID NOT deserve to be CEO, none of them did. Also her at the beginning of the episode lowkey strong arming Tom into getting back together w/ her cause she felt she was at the top, cut to the end with Tom being crowned and Shiv relinquishing any pride she had left and getting in the car with him all of them got the end they deserved. The male old guard getting the boot Karolina and Gerri saved Greg sorry ass becoming the new Tom Shiv detractors lost in the end. She will always be MOTHER Edited August 15, 2023 by lillavend3r Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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