discussion Shinzo Abe Dead: Killer Held Grudge Against Affiliated Church that Bankrupted Mother

[Communion]

30 minutes ago, Jormungand said:

The things you're saying has been regurgitated time and time again. The Japanese government has expressed remorse, apologized, and has paid reparations for the atrocities committed since the war has ended, even the emperor has apologized. What Japan currently faces on its diplomatic end are Korean politicians that continue to antagonize Japan for political points and an assertive China that is seeking to flex its dominance in the region.

 

Many countries in South East Asia were subjected to the untold atrocities committed by Imperial Japan, yet they don't use it as a political tool. 

 

Mr. Abe was a divisive figure in Japan and abroad, that we know, but the primary reason why the 3 neighboring countries despised him so much was because he wanted to remilitarize Japan. That desire became ever increasing with belligerent neighbors and an unpredictable US. 

 

I'm not going to touch base on your claims of "worsened inequality" in Japan when it's clear your entire cynicism of Abe lay with how he paints Japan's history.

Searching for what Filipino nationals are saying on social media about Abe makes the argument that the only ones still angry over the past are China and Korea politicizing the past to lash out at Japan seem pretty hollow.

 

But even if Korea and China's reactions were politically-motivated, that seems like a weird criticism to make given that nearly all of the same love and outreach from India or Taiwan or elsewhere for Abe is, well you know, politically-motivated in the same way, just in the hopes that Abe's mission comes to fruition and Japan tricks America into further militarizing in Asia. 

 

Seeing how some "liberal" activists lash out at Biden for essentially pulling a "....who?" over Abe gives a chuckle though.

 

Anti-communists throughout the world relying on America to be their strong-man getting hit with:

 

Edited July 10, 2022 by Communion

[Genius1111]

 

 

 

[Communion]

12 hours ago, AlanRickman1946 said:

I kinda think assassination should only be used if there is a clear political aim. 

Since - for some reason - no one posted it. See below. it wasn't political.. It appears like perceived revenge.

 

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As noted by Samuels over two decades ago, “for many years the Church enjoyed protection from prosecution by Japanese authorities for their often fraudulent and aggressive sales and conversion tactics.” It was precisely this issue that sparked the National Network of Lawyers Against Spiritual Sales to protest against Shinzo Abe’s support for the Unification Church.

 

And it seems to be this very issue that motivated Tetsuya Yamagami to target and kill Shinzo Abe.

 

Reporting from the Japanese mainstream media is now in agreement that Yamagami told investigators that he blamed a “religious group” (i.e. the Unification Church) for inducing his mother to donate so much money that it bankrupted the family. He initially prepared to kill a church leader, but gave up after deciding it was too difficult. Yamagami then turned his focus on Abe, whom he was aware promoted the church at some level.

It seems he got killed because he promoted Japan's version of televangelists in exchange for decades of the group's material support (tracing back to his grandfather's support of them) for his conservative views and someone wanted revenge for how the group's defrauding of spiritual Japanese people ruined his family's life. 

[Seiko Oomori]

5 hours ago, Jormungand said:

The things you're saying has been regurgitated time and time again. The Japanese government has expressed remorse, apologized, and has paid reparations for the atrocities committed since the war has ended, even the emperor has apologized. What Japan currently faces on its diplomatic end are Korean politicians that continue to antagonize Japan for political points and an assertive China that is seeking to flex its dominance in the region.

 

Many countries in South East Asia were subjected to the untold atrocities committed by Imperial Japan, yet they don't use it as a political tool. 

 

Mr. Abe was a divisive figure in Japan and abroad, that we know, but the primary reason why the 3 neighboring countries despised him so much was because he wanted to remilitarize Japan. That desire became ever increasing with belligerent neighbors and an unpredictable US. 

 

I'm not going to touch base on your claims of "worsened inequality" in Japan when it's clear your entire cynicism of Abe lay with how he paints Japan's history.

what are you talking about  everyone in SEA loathes japan

[A Bomb]

For whatever reason a literal demon was sent back to hell.

[Genius1111]

 

 

 

Social-media users have highlighted comments by Akihiko Kurokawa, secretary-general of the NHK Party, alleging during a campaign debate last month that Abe was to blame for obscure funding of religious groups in Japan allegedly used as a front for “foreign spy activities.” 

 

While there are no direct connections between the suspected shooter and the NHK Party, which was formed in 2013 with the aim of abolishing compulsory fees used to fund Japan’s national public broadcaster, the politician’s comments highlight a strain of politics that may shed light on the killer’s motives. Some of the allegations are reminiscent of the conspiracies spread by QAnon, which has gained traction in Japan. 

 

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Last month, Kurokawa told a discussion program broadcast by NHK that Japan was suffering a “silent invasion” of religious groups flush with foreign money. Even as the moderator urged him to stick to the discussion topic of constitutional change, Kurokawa ended his remarks with a song that began with the words: “It’s Abe’s fault, it’s Abe’s fault that Japan has become like this.”

Kurokawa had also accused Abe’s grandfather, former premier Nobusuke Kishi, of bringing the South Korean-founded Unification Church, known for its mass weddings, to Japan. And he referred to close links between Soka Gakkai, the lay Buddhist organization that backs junior ruling coalition party Komeito, and the Chinese Communist Party. 

The NHK Party’s website contains no reference to the allegations against Abe, and instead focuses on criticisms of the public broadcaster’s coverage and funding. 

Last September, the Japanese Communist Party newspaper Akahata reported that Abe had sent a congratulatory video message to a gathering of a group related to the Unification Church. 

[AlanRickman1946]

16 minutes ago, Genius1111 said:

 

Kurokawa had also accused Abe’s grandfather, former premier Nobusuke Kishi, of bringing the South Korean-founded Unification Church, known for its mass weddings, to Japan. And he referred to close links between Soka Gakkai, the lay Buddhist organization that backs junior ruling coalition party Komeito, and the Chinese Communist Party. 

The NHK Party’s website contains no reference to the allegations against Abe, and instead focuses on criticisms of the public broadcaster’s coverage and funding. 

Last September, the Japanese Communist Party newspaper Akahata reported that Abe had sent a congratulatory video message to a gathering of a group related to the Unification Church. 

I dont get it. Whats the connection with the CCP?

[Genius1111]

45 minutes ago, AlanRickman1946 said:

I dont get it. Whats the connection with the CCP?

I am also not sure about it. I guess we will need to wait for more articles in English to see if they corroborate. 

[Genius1111]

I will paste the auto-translated version of this Japanese article. (This also reminds me that I need to really spend a lot more time brushing up my Japanese grammar and vocabulary)

 

Take note that the names of organizations are probably not properly translated, so please take it with a pinch of salt.

 

【独自】安倍元首相を撃った山上徹也が供述した、宗教団体「統一教会」の名前（現代ビジネス） - Yahoo!ニュース

 

 

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Why did Yamagami think he had contact with the Unification Church and Mr. Abe? The Unification Church-affiliated political organization is a conservative group founded in 1968 and is said to have close ties with conservative legislators of the Liberal Democratic Party. On the Internet, the relationship between Mr. Abe and the Katsukyo coalition has been talked about for some time. The Shinbun Red Flag, the organ of the Japan Communist Party, which has an antagonistic relationship with the Unification Church, reported that on September 12 last year, Mr. Abe attended an online rally of the Universal Peace Coalition (UPF), which is affiliated with the former Unification Association, and said, "I would like to express my respect to President Han Tsuruko, who has been working with the UPF to resolve conflicts around the world until today, especially for the peaceful reunification of the Korean Peninsula." The point of contact between Mr. Abe, a leading conservative politician, and the Unification Church has long been an open secret among Nagatacho officials. For example, in the case of a member of the House of Councillors who is close to Mr. Abe, he has such a close relationship that it is said that he is "holding the whole Unification Church," and even the Unification Church cadres admitted that "that member was elected with our vote."

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"The Unification Church and Abe are close to each other, so I took them with my gun. I took out a gun when I told them to kill them. I was looking up the schedule of the House of Councillors election on the Internet every day, and I came to Nara, so I thought it was an opportunity" "I did not aim for it in a political sense" "I made several handguns and explosives at home. I made it by researching it from the Internet etc." As for why he held a grudge against the Unification Church, it is not clear from his statements so far. However, it has been revealed that Yamagami's mother was once a member of the Unification Church and made a large donation, possibly because of which she was declared bankrupt on August 21, 2002, and it is possible that she vented some kind of grudge against the Unification Church and Mr. Abe for the disintegration of the family. Investigators say. "My mother is an ardent member of the Unification Church and seems to be still active. Yamagami testified that the relationship between his mother and the Unification Church led to the breakdown of the family, and that he became a victim of the crime. His mother is under investigation, but it appears that she was a fairly ardent believer. The day before the crime, he learned that Mr. Abe was going to give a speech in Okayama Prefecture and chased after him. Computers and smartphones have quite a history of searching for handguns and explosives. It appears to be a premeditated shooting, but there are also statements that do not make sense," said a senior LDP official. "Mr. Abe, who controls the largest faction, the Abe faction, has died, and the Abe faction whose next leader is unclear may go astray. Influential people who had been pro-Abe until now, such as Hirofumi Shimomura, Yasutoshi Nishimura, Hironari Seko, and Koichi Hagiuda, were all quiet because of Mr. Abe. But it's hard when that sting comes off. The birth of the Kishida administration was thanks to the tag team of Mr. Abe and Mr. Aso, but if there is a crack in it, Mr. Kishida will not be able to stay upset. The House of Councillors election will be a landslide victory because Mr. Abe's shooting will result in sympathy votes, but there is a possibility that it will be a struggle within the party" With anxiety not subsiding, what will happen to the day of the vote counting on the 10th?

 

Edited July 10, 2022 by Genius1111

[Genius1111]

 

 

同僚とトラブル…無断欠勤増える　元職場の責任者が語る山上容疑者：朝日新聞デジタル (asahi.com)

 

Yamagami had trouble with his colleagues in a previous job. He was operating forklifts. 

 

「母親が入信した宗教団体めぐり苦労」　安倍氏銃撃容疑者の親族語る（朝日新聞デジタル） - Yahoo!ニュース

 

He has an elder brother and a younger sister.

 

山上徹也容疑者の実家の隣人「子どもがいることも知らなかった」（サンケイスポーツ） - Yahoo!ニュース

 

His mother lived alone, and a neighbor said that she did not even know the woman had children.

 

Edited July 10, 2022 by Genius1111

[Jormungand]

7 hours ago, Communion said:

Searching for what Filipino nationals are saying on social media about Abe makes the argument that the only ones still angry over the past are China and Korea politicizing the past to lash out at Japan seem pretty hollow.

 

But even if Korea and China's reactions were politically-motivated, that seems like a weird criticism to make given that nearly all of the same love and outreach from India or Taiwan or elsewhere for Abe is, well you know, politically-motivated in the same way, just in the hopes that Abe's mission comes to fruition and Japan tricks America into further militarizing in Asia. 

 

Seeing how some "liberal" activists lash out at Biden for essentially pulling a "....who?" over Abe gives a chuckle though.

 

Anti-communists throughout the world relying on America to be their strong-man getting hit with:

 

My friends in the Philippines are saying otherwise, they love Japan and are thankful that Abe strengthened relations between Japan and the Philippines. I detest Facebook but they love their Facebook in the Philippines, and the amount of Filipinos hating on Abe/Japan are in the minority. 

 

Overwhelming gratitude, condolences, and support for Shinzo Abe's role in bolstering Japan's ties with the Philippines.

 

2 hours ago, Seiko Oomori said:

what are you talking about  everyone in SEA loathes japan

You're basing that off what? I think you're confusing Japan with China.

 

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2018/11/12/countries-views-of-japan-abe-japanese-views-of-china/pg_2018-11-12_japanese-public-opinion_4-01/

[Jormungand]

40 minutes ago, Genius1111 said:

 

 

同僚とトラブル…無断欠勤増える　元職場の責任者が語る山上容疑者：朝日新聞デジタル (asahi.com)

 

Yamagami had trouble with his colleagues in a previous job. He was operating forklifts. 

 

「母親が入信した宗教団体めぐり苦労」　安倍氏銃撃容疑者の親族語る（朝日新聞デジタル） - Yahoo!ニュース

 

He has an elder brother and a younger sister.

 

山上徹也容疑者の実家の隣人「子どもがいることも知らなかった」（サンケイスポーツ） - Yahoo!ニュース

 

His mother lived alone, and a neighbor said that she did not even know the woman had children.

 

There's really no shortage of nutters in Japan. One can only hope that the Diet actually enacts legislation to better protect elected officials. Otherwise other nutters out there are going to get ideas. 

[SpankGangsta]

On 7/10/2022 at 1:30 PM, Seiko Oomori said:

what are you talking about  everyone in SEA loathes japan

no one in my fam/social circle hates or care about any of the colonizer tbh (not generalizing tho). If anything my country giga hates USA and China, doesnt bat an eye to netherland and japan

[Communion]

 

Seems like a good time for reporters to start asking about Abe's party and the Unification Church's "relationship".

[Mean Trees]

14 hours ago, Communion said:

 

Seems like a good time for reporters to start asking about Abe's party and the Unification Church's "relationship".

I am so confused.... Literally the LDP, who are happy to play into anti-Zainichi Korean and anti-Korea sentiment and but will allow this wealthy Korean organization to literally defraud the allegedly superior Japanese population.

[Mr.Link]

Oh look another victim of religion. When will we ever get rid of this cancer?